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Blacks Will Never Gain Wealth Equality With Whites Under the Current System

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The Atlantic slave trade, also known as the transatlantic slave trade, was the trading, primarily of African people, to the colonies of the New World that occurred in and around the Atlantic Ocean. It lasted from the 16th to the 19th centuries. Most enslaved people were shipped from West Africa and Central Africa and taken to North and South America[1] to labor on sugar, coffee, cocoa and cotton plantations, in gold and silver mines, in rice fields, or in houses to work as servants. The shippers were, in order of scale, the Portuguese (and Brazilians), the British, the French, the Spanish, the Dutch, and the North Americans.[1] Enslaved people were generally obtained through coastal trading with Africans, though some were captured by European slave traders through raids and kidnapping.[2][3] Most contemporary historians estimate that between 9.4 and 12 million[4][5] Africans arrived in the New World,[6][7] although the actual number of people taken from their homestead is considerably higher.[8][9][10]

The slave trade is sometimes called the Maafa by African and African-American scholars, meaning "holocaust" or "great disaster" in Swahili. Some scholars use the terms African Holocaust or Holocaust of Enslavement. Slavery was one element of a three-part economic cycle — the triangular trade and its Middle Passage — which ultimately involved four continents, four centuries and millions of people.



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OK - again - Please show how many slaves were owned by US Citizens 400 years ago.
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this is a good resource you should try...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade



OK - again - Please show how many slaves were owned by US Citizens 400 years ago.


get back to us when you've researched the answer :)
(meanwhile those of us based in more contemporary reality would like to get on with our discussion)
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this is a good resource you should try...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade



OK - again - Please show how many slaves were owned by US Citizens 400 years ago.


get back to us when you've researched the answer :)
(meanwhile those of us based in more contemporary reality would like to get on with our discussion)


Afraid to answer the question?
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I don't remember you proposing solutions, since the concepts of self-responsibility put forward by Bill Cosby and other blacks don't meet with your approval.

Isn't that an appropriate part of the discussion?
People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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this is a good resource you should try...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade



OK - again - Please show how many slaves were owned by US Citizens 400 years ago.


get back to us when you've researched the answer :)
(meanwhile those of us based in more contemporary reality would like to get on with our discussion)


Afraid to answer the question?


you answer it :)
(do you know the answer)
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this is a good resource you should try...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade



OK - again - Please show how many slaves were owned by US Citizens 400 years ago.


get back to us when you've researched the answer :)
(meanwhile those of us based in more contemporary reality would like to get on with our discussion)


Afraid to answer the question?


you answer it :)
(do you know the answer)


Yes I do. Why are you avoiding it?
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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I don't remember you proposing solutions, since the concepts of self-responsibility put forward by Bill Cosby and other blacks don't meet with your approval.

Isn't that an appropriate part of the discussion?



nothing wrong with a bit of self-responsibility :)
universal healthcare is part of the solution.
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this is a good resource you should try...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade



OK - again - Please show how many slaves were owned by US Citizens 400 years ago.


get back to us when you've researched the answer :)
(meanwhile those of us based in more contemporary reality would like to get on with our discussion)


Afraid to answer the question?


you answer it :)
(do you know the answer)


Yes I do. Why are you avoiding it?


why keep asking me then :)
(is it a secret - why won't you tell us)
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I don't remember you proposing solutions, since the concepts of self-responsibility put forward by Bill Cosby and other blacks don't meet with your approval.

Isn't that an appropriate part of the discussion?



nothing wrong with a bit of self-responsibility :)
universal healthcare is part of the solution.


That's all you have?

Don't you want to propose that to fix the current system it needs to be expanded?
People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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this is a good resource you should try...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade



OK - again - Please show how many slaves were owned by US Citizens 400 years ago.


get back to us when you've researched the answer :)
(meanwhile those of us based in more contemporary reality would like to get on with our discussion)


Afraid to answer the question?


you answer it :)
(do you know the answer)


Yes I do. Why are you avoiding it?


why keep asking me then :)
(is it a secret - why won't you tell us)


It goes to your credibility, intelligence, learning and knowledge.
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The Atlantic slave trade, also known as the transatlantic slave trade, was the trading, primarily of African people, to the colonies of the New World that occurred in and around the Atlantic Ocean. It lasted from the 16th to the 19th centuries.



Here's your most recent misunderstanding.

The New World includes much more that what becomes the US. Slaves went to the Caribbean islands long before.

Of course, your interest in this thread has little do to with facts, rather than simple masterbaiting.

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The Atlantic slave trade is customarily divided into two eras, known as the First and Second Atlantic Systems.

The First Atlantic system was the trade of enslaved Africans to, primarily, South American colonies of the Portuguese and Spanish empires; it accounted for only slightly more than 3% of all Atlantic slave trade. It started (on a significant scale) in about 1502[16] and lasted until 1580, when Portugal was temporarily united with Spain. While the Portuguese traded enslaved people themselves, the Spanish empire relied on the asiento system, awarding merchants (mostly from other countries) the license to trade enslaved people to their colonies. During the first Atlantic system most of these traders were Portuguese, giving them a near-monopoly during the era, although some Dutch, English, Spanish and French traders also participated in the slave trade.[17] After the union, Portugal was weakened, with its colonial empire being attacked by the Dutch and British.

The Second Atlantic system was the trade of enslaved Africans by mostly British, Portuguese-Brazilian, French and Dutch traders. The main destinations of this phase were the Caribbean colonies, Brazil, and North America, as a number of European countries built up economically slave-dependent colonies in the New World. Amongst the proponents of this system were Francis Drake and John Hawkins.

Only slightly more than 3% of the enslaved people exported were traded between 1450 and 1600, 16% in the 17th century. More than half of them were exported in the 18th century, the remaining 28.5% in the 19th century.



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In 1619 twenty Africans were brought by a Dutch soldier and sold to the English colony of Jamestown, Virginia as indentured servants. It is possible that Africans were brought to Virginia prior to this, both because neither John Rolfe our source on the 1619 shipment nor any contemporary of his ever says that this was the first contingent of Africans to come to Virginia and because the 1625 Virginia census lists one black as coming on a ship that appears to only have landed people in Virginia prior to 1619.[198] The transformation from indentured servitude to racial slavery happened gradually. It was not until 1661 that a reference to slavery entered into Virginia law, directed at Caucasian servants who ran away with a black servant. It was not until the Slave Codes of 1705 that the status of African Americans as slaves would be sealed. This status would last for another 160 years, until after the end of the American Civil War with the ratification of the 13th Amendment in December 1865.

Only a fraction of the enslaved Africans brought to the New World ended up in British North America-- perhaps 5%. The vast majority of slaves shipped across the Atlantic were sent to the Caribbean sugar colonies, Brazil, or Spanish America.

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Slavery in American colonial law

* 1642: Massachusetts becomes the first colony to legalize slavery.
* 1650: Connecticut legalizes slavery.
* 1661: Virginia officially recognizes slavery by statute.
* 1662: A Virginia statute declares that children born would have the same status as their mother.
* 1663: Maryland legalizes slavery.
* 1664: Slavery is legalized in New York and New Jersey.[199]




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In 1619 twenty Africans were brought by a Dutch soldier and sold to the English colony of Jamestown, Virginia as indentured servants. It is possible that Africans were brought to Virginia prior to this, both because neither John Rolfe our source on the 1619 shipment nor any contemporary of his ever says that this was the first contingent of Africans to come to Virginia and because the 1625 Virginia census lists one black as coming on a ship that appears to only have landed people in Virginia prior to 1619.[198] The transformation from indentured servitude to racial slavery happened gradually. It was not until 1661 that a reference to slavery entered into Virginia law, directed at Caucasian servants who ran away with a black servant. It was not until the Slave Codes of 1705 that the status of African Americans as slaves would be sealed. This status would last for another 160 years, until after the end of the American Civil War with the ratification of the 13th Amendment in December 1865.

Only a fraction of the enslaved Africans brought to the New World ended up in British North America-- perhaps 5%. The vast majority of slaves shipped across the Atlantic were sent to the Caribbean sugar colonies, Brazil, or Spanish America.

...

Slavery in American colonial law

* 1642: Massachusetts becomes the first colony to legalize slavery.
* 1650: Connecticut legalizes slavery.
* 1661: Virginia officially recognizes slavery by statute.
* 1662: A Virginia statute declares that children born would have the same status as their mother.
* 1663: Maryland legalizes slavery.
* 1664: Slavery is legalized in New York and New Jersey.[199]




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so you're also blaming other countries for your problems?
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It appears that Eurpoeans brought slavery to the US with them.

What are the European slave traders that brought this "wonderfull" way of life to the US doing for Blacks?

James



and you're also blaming other countries. is it not possible for you to stand on your own two feet?
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It appears that Eurpoeans brought slavery to the US with them.

What are the European slave traders that brought this "wonderfull" way of life to the US doing for Blacks?

James



and you're also blaming other countries. is it not possible for you to stand on your own two feet?



LMAO - WOW - hof obtuse can one possibly be.

1) YOU bring up that it was centuries ago -

2) I asked how many slaves were owned by US Citizens in the time period 3 to 4 centuries ago - you cannot answer that question.

3) You post that the colonies brought in slavery and gave dates - that should be a clue - but for some reason you just cant see it.

4) THEN you say even though Europeans brought something here - it is modern day people's fault that they did.

Have you actually ever heard of logic?

SO - please - lets start again - just answer the question please. How many slaves were owned by US Citizens 4 centuries ago, or even 3 centuries ago.
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no, i've brought up the fact that blacks will never achieve equal wealth with whites under the current system.

(you're the one who wants to bring up other countries responsibility for slavery)
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no, i've brought up the fact that blacks will never achieve equal wealth with whites under the current system.

(you're the one who wants to bring up other countries responsibility for slavery)



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The Atlantic slave trade, also known as the transatlantic slave trade, was the trading, primarily of African people, to the colonies of the New World that occurred in and around the Atlantic Ocean. It lasted from the 16th to the 19th centuries. Most enslaved people were shipped from West Africa and Central Africa and taken to North and South America[1] to labor on sugar, coffee, cocoa and cotton plantations, in gold and silver mines, in rice fields, or in houses to work as servants. The shippers were, in order of scale, the Portuguese (and Brazilians), the British, the French, the Spanish, the Dutch, and the North Americans.[1] Enslaved people were generally obtained through coastal trading with Africans, though some were captured by European slave traders through raids and kidnapping.[2][3] Most contemporary historians estimate that between 9.4 and 12 million[4][5] Africans arrived in the New World,[6][7] although the actual number of people taken from their homestead is considerably higher.[8][9][10]

The slave trade is sometimes called the Maafa by African and African-American scholars, meaning "holocaust" or "great disaster" in Swahili. Some scholars use the terms African Holocaust or Holocaust of Enslavement. Slavery was one element of a three-part economic cycle — the triangular trade and its Middle Passage — which ultimately involved four continents, four centuries and millions of people.


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meanwhile, in the present day, blacks will never achieve equal wealth with whites. why is this?

(i suppose you'll take us back to slavery - and then say it was me)
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so you're also blaming other countries for your problems?



nah, just highlighting your continued inaccuracies. I already answered to the bigger question - complete high school or suffer.



so the problem is with black children?

(who should be made to 'suffer')
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meanwhile, in the present day, blacks will never achieve equal wealth with whites. why is this?

(i suppose you'll take us back to slavery - and then say it was me)



Why do you deflect and refuse to asnswer straight forward questions?
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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