turtlespeed 226 #151 May 26, 2010 Quote Quote Aint he fun??? i throw the stick - you pick it up (again and again) This is probably the most honest pst I have ever seen you put up on the forums. I am surprised that you would so openly admit to the trolling that you do. Well at least there is one honest post from you on these forums. Things may be looking up.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #152 May 26, 2010 QuoteQuoteFirst, the advanced placement students don't get extra tax dollars. I was in the gifted and talented program my whole life, including going to a public magnet school. I'm pretty sure we had access to a lot more stuff (and better teachers) than the "regular" kids. The cost differences are not that great. GATE funding these days is pretty pathetic, really. The difference is in placing students of similar potential together and expecting a lot more out of them. The teachers are certainly above average, but I don't believe their pay is substantially different, and I had many excellent teachers that were not part of such a program. In the end, it costs about the same to have a calculus class as it does an algebra class, unless you don't have enough students to fill it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,587 #153 May 26, 2010 Quoteyou haven't addressed my point regards blacks not being 'immigrants'. do you think this is relevant?It might have been relevant in establishing some culture, but I rather doubt it's got much relevance any more. Are you postulating that genetics is more important than environment when it comes to intelligence and success when talking about racial groups? That's a mighty slipper slope to set foot on. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #154 May 26, 2010 QuoteQuote No, if you're really interested in a serious discussion on the subject, rather than trying to keep the pot boiling as you wrote, you'd need to address the fact that Asian immigrants are more successful, and wealthier. blacks weren't 'immigrants'. Many are. And 165 years after slavery, and 2 generations after the 60s, does it really matter? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_immigration_to_the_United_States Africans have the highest educational attainment rates of any immigrant group in the United States, with higher levels of completion than the stereotyped Asian American model minority.[11][12] Estimates indicate that a significant percentage of black students at elite universities are African or the children of African immigrants, a notable example of this is Barack Obama. Doesn't seem like these blacks are having trouble with succeeding. They're making a choice. The Chinese immigrants in the 1800s did the work that illegal aliens would do now. Cheap, dangerous work, like the railroad construction. Considerable violence against them in this time, and racist legislation that treated them separately from whites AND BLACKS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #155 May 26, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote No, if you're really interested in a serious discussion on the subject, rather than trying to keep the pot boiling as you wrote, you'd need to address the fact that Asian immigrants are more successful, and wealthier. blacks weren't 'immigrants'. Many are. And 165 years after slavery, and 2 generations after the 60s, does it really matter? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_immigration_to_the_United_States Africans have the highest educational attainment rates of any immigrant group in the United States, with higher levels of completion than the stereotyped Asian American model minority.[11][12] Estimates indicate that a significant percentage of black students at elite universities are African or the children of African immigrants, a notable example of this is Barack Obama. Doesn't seem like these blacks are having trouble with succeeding. They're making a choice. The Chinese immigrants in the 1800s did the work that illegal aliens would do now. Cheap, dangerous work, like the railroad construction. Considerable violence against them in this time, and racist legislation that treated them separately from whites AND BLACKS. You really shouldn't confuse him with facts and reality. It messes with his whole world.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #156 May 27, 2010 Quote Many are. And 165 years after slavery, and 2 generations after the 60s, does it really matter? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_immigration_to_the_United_States Africans have the highest educational attainment rates of any immigrant group in the United States, with higher levels of completion than the stereotyped Asian American model minority.[11][12] Estimates indicate that a significant percentage of black students at elite universities are African or the children of African immigrants, a notable example of this is Barack Obama. Doesn't seem like these blacks are having trouble with succeeding. They're making a choice. Reference [12] is about present-day first generation African immigrants http://www.migrationinformation.org/USfocus/display.cfm?ID=719 Quote About two of every five African foreign-born adults had a bachelor's or higher degree. In 2007, 42.5 percent of the 1.1 million African-born adults age 25 and older had a bachelor's degree or higher compared to 27.0 percent among the 31.6 million foreign-born adults. About one-quarter (25.2 percent) of African-born adults age 25 and older had some college education (less than a bachelor's degree) or an associate's degree compared to 17.1 percent of all foreign-born adults. and not African-Americans whose relatives came here over 150 years ago as slaves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #157 May 27, 2010 Indeed, that was the point(s). Not all blacks in the country are former slaves (in fact none are), and many immigrated like every other new minority. And 'the system' will permit them to succeed in spite of their supposed disadvantage due to skin color. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #158 May 27, 2010 QuoteQuoteyou haven't addressed my point regards blacks not being 'immigrants'. do you think this is relevant?It might have been relevant in establishing some culture, but I rather doubt it's got much relevance any more. you 'rather doubt' but i 'rather think' that the effects of an enforced slave 'culture' on many millions for several centuries may well have significant relevance on events even at this point in our history. the facts on wealth seem to bear this out.stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #159 May 27, 2010 Quotean enforced slave 'culture' on many millions for several centuries Since the US hasn't existed for "several centuries", and only the 1st half of that existence included slavery, not the 2nd half.....and that, at that time, the entire population might have qualified as a total of "many millions" does that mean you are acknowledging then the centuries of slavery by africans on africans as the true source of your crapulence? Or are you upset with the ancient Egyptians who enslaved pretty much any race they could get their hands on? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #160 May 27, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteyou haven't addressed my point regards blacks not being 'immigrants'. do you think this is relevant?It might have been relevant in establishing some culture, but I rather doubt it's got much relevance any more. you 'rather doubt' but i 'rather think' that the effects of an enforced slave 'culture' on many millions for several centuries may well have significant relevance on events even at this point in our history. the facts on wealth seem to bear this out. Again, thinking is not one of the skills of which you have demonstrated any particular mastery. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #161 May 27, 2010 get your facts right... QuoteBy 1860, there were 3.5 million enslaved African Americans in the United States due to the Atlantic slave trade, and another 500,000 African Americans lived free across the country. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Americanstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #162 May 27, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteyou haven't addressed my point regards blacks not being 'immigrants'. do you think this is relevant?It might have been relevant in establishing some culture, but I rather doubt it's got much relevance any more. you 'rather doubt' but i 'rather think' that the effects of an enforced slave 'culture' on many millions for several centuries may well have significant relevance on events even at this point in our history. the facts on wealth seem to bear this out. Again, thinking is not one of the skills of which you have demonstrated any particular mastery. are you trolling me?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zach 0 #163 May 27, 2010 QuoteQuote>the colour of their skin . . . Why do you keep coming back to the color of their skins? Why can't you just accept them as fellow human beings? why can't you accept that, if they were white, they wouldn't be discriminated against. (look to your prisons) Fallacious. Maybe not intentionally on your part, but I would argue that most people in prison earned their spot, no matter their ethnicity. Zach Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #164 May 27, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteyou haven't addressed my point regards blacks not being 'immigrants'. do you think this is relevant?It might have been relevant in establishing some culture, but I rather doubt it's got much relevance any more. you 'rather doubt' but i 'rather think' that the effects of an enforced slave 'culture' on many millions for several centuries may well have significant relevance on events even at this point in our history. the facts on wealth seem to bear this out. Again, thinking is not one of the skills of which you have demonstrated any particular mastery. are you trolling me? Nope, just pointing out that your demonstrated ability to think is nonexistant. I fully understand that you are unlikely to be able to grasp the concept, but figure that you might be just playing the fool to get people to rise to the bait. I suspect, however, that you are the real deal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #165 May 27, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote you haven't addressed my point regards blacks not being 'immigrants'. do you think this is relevant? It might have been relevant in establishing some culture, but I rather doubt it's got much relevance any more. you 'rather doubt' but i 'rather think' that the effects of an enforced slave 'culture' on many millions for several centuries may well have significant relevance on events even at this point in our history. the facts on wealth seem to bear this out. Again, thinking is not one of the skills of which you have demonstrated any particular mastery. are you trolling me? Nope, just pointing out that your demonstrated ability to think is nonexistant. I fully understand that you are unlikely to be able to grasp the concept, but figure that you might be just playing the fool to get people to rise to the bait. I suspect, however, that you are the real deal. so, you are trolling me (which means you lose)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #166 May 27, 2010 so, you are trolling me (which means you lose) As far as you could tell? I suppose so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #167 May 27, 2010 Why don't you people just stick your tongues out at each other and start with the whole, "I'm rubber. You're glue..." mantra? Personal attacks are a clear indicator that no legitimate debate is going on.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #168 May 27, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote>the colour of their skin . . . Why do you keep coming back to the color of their skins? Why can't you just accept them as fellow human beings? why can't you accept that, if they were white, they wouldn't be discriminated against. (look to your prisons) Fallacious. Maybe not intentionally on your part, but I would argue that most people in prison earned their spot, no matter their ethnicity. Zach and i would argue that, if whites (who are just as criminal) were incarcerated at the same rate as blacks then an awful lot more of them would be in prison.stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #169 May 27, 2010 Quoteget your facts right... "several centuries" ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zach 0 #170 May 27, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>the colour of their skin . . . Why do you keep coming back to the color of their skins? Why can't you just accept them as fellow human beings? why can't you accept that, if they were white, they wouldn't be discriminated against. (look to your prisons) Fallacious. Maybe not intentionally on your part, but I would argue that most people in prison earned their spot, no matter their ethnicity. Zach and i would argue that, if whites (who are just as criminal) were incarcerated at the same rate as blacks then an awful lot more of them would be in prison. There was a whole thread on this topic I think, so I'm not going to take this one too far off on a tangent (not that its really traveling a straight line anyway). I will hold to my asertion that the "look at your prisons" argument is fallacious though, due to your oversimplification of the matter. Also, I'm white, and being "just as criminal" (whatever that means) I think I should be in prison too... but for the fact that I don't commit crimes. Zach Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #171 May 27, 2010 >and i would argue that, if whites (who are just as criminal) were incarcerated >at the same rate as blacks then an awful lot more of them would be in >prison. Well, you were OK with men being incarcerated many times more often than women were. Perhaps the black/white disparity shares a similar justification. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #172 May 27, 2010 Quote >and i would argue that, if whites (who are just as criminal) were incarcerated >at the same rate as blacks then an awful lot more of them would be in >prison. Well, you were OK with men being incarcerated many times more often than women were. Perhaps the black/white disparity shares a similar justification. it doesn't (men are definitely more violent/criminal than women - worldwide - but blacks are not more criminal than whites)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #173 May 27, 2010 >it doesn't So sexism is more acceptable than racism when it comes to prison population justification. Good to know. >( but blacks are not more criminal than whites) They provably are; more are convicted of crimes than whites on a percentage basis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #174 May 27, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteyou haven't addressed my point regards blacks not being 'immigrants'. do you think this is relevant?It might have been relevant in establishing some culture, but I rather doubt it's got much relevance any more. you 'rather doubt' but i 'rather think' that the effects of an enforced slave 'culture' on many millions for several centuries may well have significant relevance on events even at this point in our history. the facts on wealth seem to bear this out. So why don't you embrace your own guilt.since it bothers you so much. REmember now it was you lot that profited so handsomely from the AFRICAN AND WHITE slave trade???? Slavery Britain played a prominent role in the Atlantic slave trade which began around the mid-fifteenth century when Portuguese interests in Africa moved away from the fabled deposits of gold to a much more readily available commodity; slaves. Slavery was a legal institution in all of the 13 American colonies, and the profits of the slave trade and of West Indian plantations amounted to 5% of the British economy at the time of the Industrial Revolution Although indentured slavery or child trafficking continued throughout the British Empire emptying British workhouses. It finally ended in 1956. Australia, Catholic Orphanages and St. Bernardo's 20 to 30 years later were faced with a class action in the Australian courts. child trafficking Following the Cromwellian conquest of Ireland, as many as 550,000 Irish men, women and children were forced into temporary indentured service and transported to the colonies in the British West Indies and British America.[48][49]. Some 50,000 British convicts were sent to colonial America, representing perhaps one-quarter of all British emigrants during the eighteenth century.[50 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #175 May 27, 2010 Quote>it doesn't So sexism is more acceptable than racism when it comes to prison population justification. Good to know. >( but blacks are not more criminal than whites) They provably are; more are convicted of crimes than whites on a percentage basis. the jews had much higher conviction rates than germans - but they were no more criminal... QuoteWhile it is clear that drug use doesn't discriminate and the majority of us are using one drug or another, the reality is that the war on drug users does discriminate. More than 1.8 million people are arrested every year on nonviolent drug charges. In New York City, "moderate" Mayor Bloomberg's police arrested close to 50,000 people for marijuana possession in 2009 - and 87% of those arrested were black and Latino, despite similar rates of marijuana use as whites. The reason for the discrepancy is that the NYPD stops and frisks blacks and Latinos - but not white people. Last week the New York Times ran a front page story that showed blacks and Latinos were nine times more likely to be frisked than whites. The racist enforcement of drug laws is not limited to just New York or just marijuana. Thanks to the mass incarceration of people for nonviolent drug law violations, the U.S. is the world's leading jailer. The U.S. has 5% of the world's population but has 25% of the world's prison population. Nationally, blacks are 13 times more likely to be incarcerated on drug charges as whites, despite similar rates of drug use. http://www.alternet.org/drugs/146971/all_of_us_use_drugs%2C_but_only_some_of_us_go_to_jail/stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
