Do we have a 'Right' to live where we live?

[shropshire 0]

What gives you the 'Right' to live where you do?

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Andy9o8 2]

Because my wife lets me back in the house.

[airdvr 210]

I voted by accident of birth, although I disagree with the accident part.

Something that has changed since I was a kid (1960's) was that my parents always were telling me how fortunate I was to be born in the US,(usually whilst trying to get me to eat peas and telling me about the starving children in China) like there's some lotto somewhere in Storktown. I'm ashamed to admit I didn't beat that into my kid's head as much as I should have.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[shropshire 0]

fair dos

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[rushmc 23]

Yes but, by luck of the draw

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Amazon 7]

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What gives you the 'Right' to live where you do?

Some of my ancestors walked here thousands of years go and some of my ancestors managed to be a bit faster than you lot.... as your ancestors were trying to kill us all off

[turtlespeed 226]

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What gives you the 'Right' to live where you do?

Multiple answers apply.

1) At least one of my parents was a natural born citizen, and I was born here (not in Texas, but I got here as fast as I could)
2) I served my country in the armed forces, so even if being born here isn't enough - I have earned that right.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Bolas 5]

Initially one is just a product of their biological parents and whatever that entails including location.

Granted some have easier paths in some things than others as well as better places to live, but calling that a right is incorrect.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[JohnRich 4]

I have a right to live in my house, because I bought it and I'm paying the mortgage for it.

Yes, you can assume there's a double-meaning to that answer.

[billvon 3,120]

>I have a right to live in my house, because I bought it and I'm paying
>the mortgage for it.

Hmm. So an illegal alien paying taxes has a right to live here as well? Not so sure that analogy works.

[MBiegs 0]

A illegal alien can't buy/own a house.

[masterrig 1]

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What gives you the 'Right' to live where you do?

Multiple answers apply.

1) At least one of my parents was a natural born citizen, and I was born here (not in Texas, but I got here as fast as I could)
2) I served my country in the armed forces, so even if being born here isn't enough - I have earned that right.

Yes, you have! Thank you!


chuck

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A illegal alien can't buy/own a house.

Well, he certainly lives somewhere. Wherever that happens to be is subject to property taxes just the same as the rest of us. Even if the undocumented alien is paying rent, a chunk of that rent goes to pay the property tax. Another chunk goes to income tax for the business or landlord that owns the property. The undocumented alien also pays sales tax in most states. Further, that sales tax probably hits him harder than the average citizen since it's probably a larger percentage of his pay.

Meanwhile, the asshat employer that encourages the undocumented workers to come to the US in the first place are skipping out on a ton of taxes.

It's a bad system all around, but the undocumented workers get shafted quite a bit.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[billvon 3,120]

>A illegal alien can't buy/own a house.

It's an analogy, not a literal comparison. If paying for something gives you the right to it, then paying taxes gives you the rights of citizenship. (Which it does not. Which is why simply "I pay my mortgage" is not sufficient reason to have a right to one's home.)

[rhaig 0]

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>A illegal alien can't buy/own a house.

It's an analogy, not a literal comparison. If paying for something gives you the right to it, then paying taxes gives you the rights of citizenship. (Which it does not. Which is why simply "I pay my mortgage" is not sufficient reason to have a right to one's home.)

comparing the legal purchase of property with citizenship rights due to paying taxes is quite a leap.

you can't come up with a better analogy?

Going through the established legal process to acquire a house (including paying taxes) establishes rights to live in that house in this country.

Going through the established legal process to gain citizenship in this country (including paying taxes) establishes rights to live in this country as a citizen.

In this country, following an established legal process gains you certain rights at the end of that process.

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Rob

[quade 4]

I'm curious how far back some people in this thread can trace back their ancestry in this country.

I know mine weren't required to do anything more than simply get to the US and live here for a few years.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[billvon 3,120]

>comparing the legal purchase of property with citizenship rights due to
>paying taxes is quite a leap.

It's an analogy, not a literal comparison. If paying for something gives you the right to it, then paying taxes gives you the rights of citizenship. (Which it does not, and which is why simply "I pay my mortgage" is not sufficient reason to have a right to one's home.)

[Bolas 5]

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>comparing the legal purchase of property with citizenship rights due to
>paying taxes is quite a leap.

It's an analogy, not a literal comparison. If paying for something gives you the right to it, then paying taxes gives you the rights of citizenship. (Which it does not, and which is why simply "I pay my mortgage" is not sufficient reason to have a right to one's home.)

Too bad it doesn't work like that eh?

"Sure baby, I'll buy you a drink..."

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[rhaig 0]

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>comparing the legal purchase of property with citizenship rights due to
>paying taxes is quite a leap.

It's an analogy, not a literal comparison. If paying for something gives you the right to it, then paying taxes gives you the rights of citizenship. (Which it does not, and which is why simply "I pay my mortgage" is not sufficient reason to have a right to one's home.)

It's late, perhaps you're tired.

did you miss the 2 very similar sentences in my post regarding established legal processes?

Or are you going beyond legal rights? What is your definition of "right" if we're not talking about legal rights?

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Rob

[rhaig 0]

Furthest back I can find was one of my ancestors that helped map the Canadian-US border (1844). We have family documents describing some of it. They were interesting to read.

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Rob

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Furthest back I can find was one of my ancestors that helped map the Canadian-US border (1844). We have family documents describing some of it. They were interesting to read.

Okies, so he never had to do anything special, fill out any forms or anything to become a citizen. He simply got here and lived for a bit then called himself a citizen.

I have a hard time denying that to a lot of people just trying to do the same thing.

Do I think the borders ought to be more secure? Sure.
Do I think employers out to be punished for hiring undocumented workers? Absolutely.

Do I think I need to go out of my way to hassle people just trying to make a better life for themselves the exact same way my ancestors did? I have an issue there because if I say I do, I'm a pretty big hypocrite.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[turtlespeed 226]

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Furthest back I can find was one of my ancestors that helped map the Canadian-US border (1844). We have family documents describing some of it. They were interesting to read.

Okies, so he never had to do anything special, fill out any forms or anything to become a citizen. He simply got here and lived for a bit then called himself a citizen.

I have a hard time denying that to a lot of people just trying to do the same thing.

Do I think the borders ought to be more secure? Sure.
Do I think employers out to be punished for hiring undocumented workers? Absolutely?

Do I think I need to go out of my way to hassle people just trying to make a better life for themselves the exact same way my ancestors did? I have an issue there because if I say I do, I'm a pretty big hypocrite.

What were the immigration laws at that time?
You DO realize that they have changed and that this is a different century we are living in? Things change - you don't usually get to pick and choose the changes. They are done by mob rule.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[quade 4]

Sure the immigration laws have changed and EVERY time they have had to do with racism.

Check it out.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[turtlespeed 226]

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Sure the immigration laws have changed and EVERY time they have had to do with racism.

Check it out.

No need to - I am IN FAVOR of the laws as they are now - I odn't want them changed, i want them ENFORCED!

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[quade 4]

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Sure the immigration laws have changed and EVERY time they have had to do with racism.
Check it out.

No need to - I am IN FAVOR of the laws as they are now - I odn't want them changed, i want them ENFORCED!

I see. Turning a blind eye toward history is, I supposed, one strategy to attempt to keep justifying a position.

So, you're saying that any law on the books should be enforced simply because it's the law?

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver