Lights Out LA..I say HELL YA

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I say turn the power off TODAY! Lets see how that works out for LA. Hope any of you in LA have Guns because when the lights go out the roaches come out.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/19/arizona-official-threatens-cut-los-angeles-power-payback-boycott/
If Los Angeles wants to boycott Arizona, it had better get used to reading by candlelight.

That's the message from a member of Arizona's top government utilities agency, who threw down the gauntlet Tuesday in a letter to Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa by threatening to cut off the city's power supply as retribution.

Gary Pierce, a commissioner on the five-member Arizona Corporation Commission, wrote the letter in response to the Los Angeles City Council's decision last week to boycott the Grand Canyon State -- in protest of its immigration law -- by suspending official travel there and ending future contracts with state businesses.

Noting that a quarter of Los Angeles' electricity comes from Arizona power plants, Pierce threatened to pull the plug if the City Council does not reconsider.

"Doggone it -- if you're going to boycott this candy store ... then don't come in for any of it," Pierce told FoxNews.com.

In the letter, he ridiculed Villaraigosa for saying that the point of the boycott was to "send a message" by severing the "resources and ties" they share.

"I received your message; please receive mine. As a statewide elected member of the Arizona Corporation Commission overseeing Arizona's electric and water utilities, I too am keenly aware of the 'resources and ties' we share with the city of Los Angeles," Pierce wrote.

"If an economic boycott is truly what you desire, I will be happy to encourage Arizona utilities to renegotiate your power agreements so Los Angeles no longer receives any power from Arizona-based generation."

Appearing to tap into local frustration in Arizona over the raft of boycotts and threatened boycotts from cities across the country, including Los Angeles, Pierce warned that Arizona companies are willing and ready to fight boycott with boycott.

"I am confident that Arizona's utilities would be happy to take those electrons off your hands," Pierce wrote. "If, however, you find that the City Council lacks the strength of its convictions to turn off the lights in Los Angeles and boycott Arizona power, please reconsider the wisdom of attempting to harm Arizona's economy."

Pierce told FoxNews.com that he was speaking for himself, not the entire commission, though he has the support of at least one other member. But Arizona has some serious leverage over Los Angeles, as well as the rest of California. The state and city get electricity from a nuclear power plant outside Phoenix, as well as from coal-fired power plants in northern Arizona and two giant hydroelectric power generators along the Colorado River.

Despite that, the Los Angeles City Council voted overwhelmingly last week to ban future business with Arizona -- a decision that could cost Arizona millions of dollars in lost contracts.

Los Angeles officials were furious with the Arizona immigration law passed last month and joined local officials in cities across the country in pushing boycotts to register their dismay. Critics say the law will lead to racial profiling and civil rights abuses.

Arizona officials have defended the law, saying the state needed to take its illegal immigration problem into its own hands. Pierce said he's "supportive" of the state's efforts to control the border.

The law requires local law enforcement to try to verify the immigration status of anyone they have contact with whom they suspect of being an illegal immigrant. It empowers them to turn over verified illegal immigrants to federal custody. The legislation explicitly prohibits screening people based solely on race or national origin.

MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT
Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

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Checkmate!


although I do not think that it would be allowed to happen

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Fine. No crossing the border to enjoy the California Coast during summer then.

This entire thing is simply childish.

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although I do not think that it would be allowed to happen

I don't think it will actually happen, but honestly, it may be the painful message that needs to be sent to LA.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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Fine. No crossing the border to enjoy the California Coast during summer then.

This entire thing is simply childish.

Damn

On this we agree

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[catfishhunter 2]

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Fine. No crossing the border to enjoy the California Coast during summer then.

This entire thing is simply childish.

I have no intention on going to California. Matter of fact we are headed to Arizona this evening for 2 days of work and 2 days of fun. I was hoping to go to Perris and Lodi this year but will just make extra trips to Eloy instead.

As soon as my daughter is out of Caifornia it can fall into the Ocean for all I care.
It is time choose sides and stand for what you believe.

MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT
Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

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It is time choose sides and stand for what you believe.

I believe in two things;

1) Human rights dictate some people still have the same right to land on US soil that the people at James Town and Plymouth Rock had. Everybody was just looking for a better life. As I recall, they didn't ask permission of the people that were here first either.

2) Martinis are better with no olive and a lemon twist. Vodka martinis do not exist. I'm not denying there is a drink made with vodka and vermouth, it's just not a martini.

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1) Human rights dictate some people still have the same right to land on US soil that the people at James Town and Plymouth Rock had. Everybody was just looking for a better life. As I recall, they didn't ask permission of the people that were here first either.

There is a Congress in Washington DC. It's interesting that immigration laws were set in 1790. The most important present-day immigration law is the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 (and, to some extent, the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952). An "iilegal immigrant/undocumented worker/illegal alien" is a person whose presence in the US is in violation of this Act.

There wasn't a law against immigration at the time. If there was, our forefathers took care of that by killing the natives.

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Human rights dictate some people still have the same right

Paul: do you realize that by saying "some" people, it is a recognition that it is not a right? Human rights, by definition, should apply to all.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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Paul: do you realize that by saying "some" people, it is a recognition that it is not a right? Human rights, by definition, should apply to all.

Yes, awkwardly worded out of habit to try to leave myself wiggle room for bizarre and unforeseen exceptions.

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I certainly do not know any of the details, but my guess is that the AZ power companies have entered into contracts with Cal. cities to supply power. The power companies would almost certainly be in breach of contract if they cut off the power supply without the cities' consent. The power companies would lose millions in a lawsuit. Whoever this AZ politician is, he knows this. His "threats" are pure political BS.

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I certainly do not know any of the details, but my guess is that the AZ power companies have entered into contracts with Cal. cities to supply power. The power companies would almost certainly be in breach of contract if they cut off the power supply without the cities' consent. The power companies would lose millions in a lawsuit. Whoever this AZ politician is, he knows this. His "threats" are pure political BS.

No different than LA breaking its contracts with Arizona based companies/services in its boycott.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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No different than LA breaking its contracts with Arizona based companies/services in its boycott.

Don't think it called for breaking current contracts. Thought it called for suspension of official travel and prohibition of entering into new contracts.

[base851 0]

They might need to get used to brown lawns as well. Last time I was in AZ a local was telling me that AZ actually permits CA to take part of its share of reservoir water because they're too busy washing their cars and watering their lawns to actually do something called CONSERVE. Don't know if that's still the case but I'd personally laugh my ass off if L.A. had their power AND water shut off.

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I certainly do not know any of the details, but my guess is that the AZ power companies have entered into contracts with Cal. cities to supply power. The power companies would almost certainly be in breach of contract if they cut off the power supply without the cities' consent. The power companies would lose millions in a lawsuit. Whoever this AZ politician is, he knows this. His "threats" are pure political BS.

No different than LA breaking its contracts with Arizona based companies/services in its boycott.

That's a fair point. My only response is pure speculation. The article quoted in the original post refers to "future" contracts. LA could simply not renew present contracts that may have an expiration date. This would not be breach. But if the AZ power compnies breach their contract(s) to supply power to Cal. cities this summer, they will likely get the crap kicked out of them in the lawsuits that are sure to follow. But you are right -- if LA breaches present, binding contracts it has with AZ cities, it will get sued as well and probably lose.

Any other lawyers who know more about this than I do, your input would be helpful.

[turtlespeed 226]

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I certainly do not know any of the details, but my guess is that the AZ power companies have entered into contracts with Cal. cities to supply power. The power companies would almost certainly be in breach of contract if they cut off the power supply without the cities' consent. The power companies would lose millions in a lawsuit. Whoever this AZ politician is, he knows this. His "threats" are pure political BS.

Scenario - A plane is flying at 1800 feet over the DZ, not even over the runway, and a skydiver is there in the same air space and the skydiver, under a non powered wing, has the right of way - as the prop connects to the body of the skydiver, who, as I mentioneed before, has the right of way because of the rules, it cause the plane to crash - bith pilot and jumper die . . .

Now - question - what good did being right and having the right of way do the jumper?

I guess it would be REALLY hard to draft a suit, unless you do it outside, in the sunlight.

I believe I mentioned something about this in another thread.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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I certainly do not know any of the details, but my guess is that the AZ power companies have entered into contracts with Cal. cities to supply power. The power companies would almost certainly be in breach of contract if they cut off the power supply without the cities' consent. The power companies would lose millions in a lawsuit. Whoever this AZ politician is, he knows this. His "threats" are pure political BS.

No different than LA breaking its contracts with Arizona based companies/services in its boycott.

That's a fair point. My only response is pure speculation. The article quoted in the original post refers to "future" contracts. LA could simply not renew present contracts that may have an expiration date. This would not be breach. But if the AZ power compnies breach their contract(s) to supply power to Cal. cities this summer, they will likely get the crap kicked out of them in the lawsuits that are sure to follow. But you are right -- if LA breaches present, binding contracts it has with AZ cities, it will get sued as well and probably lose.

Any other lawyers who know more about this than I do, your input would be helpful.

You're probably correct. However, with power generation being what it is, I think that there are several clauses that relate to "shock" factors to initiate renegotiation.

Here's the letter from Commissioner Pierce...

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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1) Human rights dictate some people still have the same right to land on US soil that the people at James Town and Plymouth Rock had. Everybody was just looking for a better life. As I recall, they didn't ask permission of the people that were here first either.

Those days are over Paul. I agree that everyone should get the opportunity to live here in the U.S. if they want.....but we have to much at stake know days to just let people roam across the borders. I am not even talking about terrorism. Jobs, crime those are the things that I am must concerned with.

Arizona is simply trying to protect its citizens. We have all seen what is happening along the southern borders and it is not good.

Arizona is simply trying to enforce laws that are already in fact Federal Laws if I am not mistaken. Good for them!!

Dom

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I agree that everyone should get the opportunity to live here in the U.S. if they want.....but we have to much at stake know days to just let people roam across the borders.

Great! Secure the border and deal with terrorists. However, that's not actually what this bill is about; is it?

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[chutem 0]

Wouldn't it be a shame if the west phoenix nuke plant had to shut down for some kind of maint issue for a month or so? Gotta be safe now don't we.

James

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I agree that everyone should get the opportunity to live here in the U.S. if they want.....but we have to much at stake know days to just let people roam across the borders.

Great! Secure the border and deal with terrorists. However, that's not actually what this bill is about; is it?

Neither is his post . . . did you actually read it?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,120]

>I say turn the power off TODAY!

Turns out California actually owns those plants. So perhaps a better idea would be for us to turn off Arizona's power, although waiting to August might be a better idea. Or perhaps we could sell it to Arizona for the low, low price of $10/kwhr. They'll have so much money after deporting all those thieving illegals that they should have no problems paying for it.

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L.A. gets 25% of its power from Arizona. Can Pierce, an electric-utility regulator, really shut out L.A’s lights?

Basically, no. The plants in Arizona that supply L.A.’s electricity are owned or have ownership stakes by Souther California Con-Ed or the Department of Power and Water and Pierce has spent the majority of the day walking back from his letter,

http://trueslant.com/japhygrant/2010/05/19/can-arizona-really-turn-out-l-a-s-lights/
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I agree that everyone should get the opportunity to live here in the U.S. if they want.....but we have to much at stake know days to just let people roam across the borders.

Great! Secure the border and deal with terrorists. However, that's not actually what this bill is about; is it?

Neither is his post . . . did you actually read it?

Yes. I read it. Here's where he mentions both securing the borders and dealing with terrorist. Did you miss it?

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we have to much at stake know days to just let people roam across the borders. I am not even talking about terrorism.

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I agree that everyone should get the opportunity to live here in the U.S. if they want.....but we have to much at stake know days to just let people roam across the borders.

Great! Secure the border and deal with terrorists. However, that's not actually what this bill is about; is it?

Neither is his post . . . did you actually read it?

Yes. I read it. Here's where he mentions both securing the borders and dealing with terrorist. Did you miss it?

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we have to much at stake know days to just let people roam across the borders. I am not even talking about terrorism.

What part of "I am NOT even talking about terrorism" gave you the difficulty?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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What part of "I am NOT even talking about terrorism" gave you the difficulty?

That's a bit like when a person says, "Not to mention, you're an idiot." Yes, he really IS mentioning it.

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[turtlespeed 226]

The reference to terrorism was there, obviously, but it was just as obvious to me that it wasn't to be considered as one of the reasons for his comments.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun