The scentific method or assumtion, what are you inclined to beleive.

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I do not know whether you are simply trolling or if you are as completely technically illiterate as you portray yourself to be. I kind of prefer to think that maybe you are someone with advanced knowledge who somehow finds it entertaining to play the fool.

If you are, in fact, simply pretending to be stupid, I assure you that you are overplaying your hand. You should let the faintest glimmer of intelligence come through to give your ruse some plausibility.


BSBD,

Winsor

[DJL 235]

I'll put it into simple terms. The WTCs were not built out of blocks of ice or blocks of concrete. Scaling these objects has no relation to what happened.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

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I'm surprised he didn't include a Wookie in there somewhere.

That would open his argument up to the Chewbacca defense. He's too crafty for that.

- Dan G

[airdvr 210]

Seriously? Again? Let it go already.

How do you have time for this while you're planing the downfall of WalMart one used tent at a time?

Please don't dent the planet.

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There are many thousands of industry professionals in different fields with varying concerns with the official narrative. You will find much information on this.

If you look.

If you look hard enough you will find people that believe just about every BS claim that can be made. Proves nothing. Read Why People Believe Wierd Things. If you look hard enough, are willing to ignore evidence, and have a vivid imagination - you'll find whatever you are looking for. I found invisible elves stealing veggies from my garden.

Before the days of every nutjob being able to spread manure in mass all over the internet, this junk would have no traction whatsoever - being relegated to The National Enquirer alongside the story on a potato that looks like Hitler's face and other such literary masterpieces.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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Quacks are not immune from education or profession. You can find nut cases in every profession, be it MD'S, historians or what ever.

Michael Shermer wrote the book " why people believe weird things" I think it might be good reading for some people to understand themselves better.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_People_Believe_Weird_Things

Some more good reading:

http://skepdic.com/911conspiracy.html

Apologies for the redundancy, you beat me to the suggestion. Though I'm sure it has come up before. Guaranteed he considers Mr Shermer as in on the conspiracy, or brainwashed, or not worthy, or something like that. This is about a serious delusion and not much else.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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Apologies for the redundancy, you beat me to the suggestion. Though I'm sure it has come up before. Guaranteed he considers Mr Shermer as in on the conspiracy, or brainwashed, or not worthy, or something like that. This is about a serious delusion and not much else.

I'm not sure I'd call it a delusion, as much as "Wishful Thinking".

Some people want to believe so badly in UFOs, fairies, WMDs in Iraq or the 9/11 conspiracy theories because they want them to be true to validate their other feelings and beliefs.

For example, how many 9/11 conspiracy believers either hate the US or hate the government?

That hatred compels them to refuse to believe that the US could have been the victim in the attacks, and therefore must have done them themselves (ourselves).

The Holocaust deniers are in the same general area. The Jews are all-powerful and therefore couldn't have been massacred that way.

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That thread and the previous have too many personal attacks, bigotry and emotions. I am going to use diplomatic and open minded approach to this one.

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Bigot!

Way to stay classy.

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That thread and the previous have too many personal attacks, bigotry and emotions. I am going to use diplomatic and open minded approach to this one.

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Bigot!

Way to stay classy.

And Consistent

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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It didn't happen, even by your own guy's data, so no need for an explanation.

Then why did nist admit that freefall occured then? for fun?

things do not fall through themselves like that, simple.

The bigotry around here is quite amusing, no one can substanciate thire claims they just latch onto the opinion of thier so called freinds.

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It didn't happen, even by your own guy's data, so no need for an explanation.

Then why did nist admit that freefall occured then? for fun?

things do not fall through themselves like that, simple.

The lower floors didn't disappear in fear of the mass bearing down upon them from above, they collapsed in turn when the mass hit them.

*DO* try to demonstrate at least a grade-school grasp of physics, old son.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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The bigotry around here is quite amusing, no one can substanciate thire claims they just latch onto the opinion of thier so called freinds.

Not sure about the bigotry. But the spelling here is atrocious. So much for the myth that all Liberals possess superior intellect while every Conservatives in the entire world is nothing but an uneducated red neck hilly billy hick.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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The lower floors didn't disappear in fear of the mass bearing down upon them from above, they collapsed in turn when the mass hit them.

*DO* try to demonstrate at least a grade-school grasp of physics, old son.

your lack of understanding of the subject is obvious from your comment. WTC 1 & 2 dis fall extremely fast but freefall was not concluded from both the official 'story' and the controlled demolition hypothesis.

this conclusion has only been made about building 7. building 7 collapsed from the bottom up there is no visual evidence of where the initiation began as other tall buildings obscured tht evidence.

don't try to pretend i do not knoe what i am talking about.

You and you megre friends can use bigotry and peer pressure all you like, I know as well as you and these so called industry professionals that stake claim to ultimate knowledge that freefall is not possible without ZERO resistance. Gravity, office fires and the potential energy of the building are not enough in themeselves to make what we all have observed possible without some sort of explosive of powerful external force.

This is very simple physics, you and you friends can ignore the truth all you like and call me and others conspirscy theorists or truthers, in fasct we are just that.

think of the definitions of those terms, they are not derogaotry to me.

Unless anyone can explain thier hypothesis in detail without using bigtry and peer pressure, they are just fooling themselves.

i'm not going to waste my time replying to all your pathetic and childish attempts to belittle those that threaten you and you political adgendas anymore, i wil just wait to see who has actually got the informtion and skills to refute what is really just basic physics.

You can cloud it with politics and name calling till the cows come home, you are just beating around the bush.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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It didn't happen, even by your own guy's data, so no need for an explanation.

Then why did nist admit that freefall occured then? for fun?

things do not fall through themselves like that, simple.

The bigotry around here is quite amusing, no one can substanciate thire claims they just latch onto the opinion of thier so called freinds.

I suspect that they were not being precise enough for you and the conclusions that truthers make. Exactly what acceleration do they say happened, and I don't mean freefall, I mean a number. If NIST doesn't state a value, then the use of the term "freefall" has no meaning, because we don't know the +/- applied to such a general term. You aren't able to answer the question of how close to freefall should have been expected, so please stop pretending that you have anything, you don't. Your own guy's data showed slightly less than freefall overall, and intermittent periods where it was reduced even more. That isn't what he claimed, but his data showed it.

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You are the one that refuses to understand basic physics. It is not simple as you say. It is quite complicated.

Acceleration at .98g is not freefall, it is slightly less. Exactly what is the value that NIST says and with what error? Freefall is not a number, and you cannot just conclude that it means 1.0g.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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don't try to pretend i do not knoe what i am talking about.

Nobody has to pretend that - it's obvious from your postings.

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Gravity, office fires and the potential energy of the building are not enough in themeselves to make what we all have observed possible without some sort of explosive of powerful external force.

Prove it.

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This is very simple physics,

Prove it.

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You can cloud it with politics and name calling till the cows come home, you are just beating around the bush.

YOU are the one that constantly introduces the politics and usually the one that does the name calling.

Nice try, though.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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don't try to pretend i do not knoe what i am talking about.

Nobody has to pretend that - it's obvious from your postings.

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Gravity, office fires and the potential energy of the building are not enough in themeselves to make what we all have observed possible without some sort of explosive of powerful external force.

Prove it.

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This is very simple physics,

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You can cloud it with politics and name calling till the cows come home, you are just beating around the bush.

YOU are the one that constantly introduces the politics and usually the one that does the name calling.

Nice try, though.

Careful - that sounds a lot like peer pressure you are dealing out, and he is pretty senthative to it.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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i'm not going to waste my time replying to all your pathetic and childish attempts to belittle those that threaten you and you political adgendas anymore, i wil just wait to see who has actually got the informtion and skills to refute what is really just basic physics.

You can cloud it with politics and name calling till the cows come home, you are just beating around the bush.

Lot's of people have refuted your basic physics with physics and engineering explanations. And what happens then?

You call them blind sheeple, lemmings and neo-cons, bring up PNAC and ask whether they think the government is 100% trustworthy.

So, who is it again that's belittling and clouding the issue with politics?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Why don't you answer yourmomma's question in post #69 of this thread? It is a VERY basic physics problem that is completely relavent to this discussion. Heck, it is so simple you can even ignore air resistence and get a pretty darn accurate solution using just two very very very very simple equations that almost every high school physics student has memorized before the midpoint of their first course.

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Why don't you answer yourmomma's question in post #69 of this thread? It is a VERY basic physics problem that is completely relavent to this discussion. Heck, it is so simple you can even ignore air resistence and get a pretty darn accurate solution using just two very very very very simple equations that almost every high school physics student has memorized before the midpoint of their first course.

Because - when a person like Rhys believes something, it becomes a religion. He dislikes, or has jumped on the bandwagon that dislikes, the USA. This allows him a platform in which he can spew his rhetoric and belittle people he thonks to be beneath him.

Attempting to change his mind is pointless and futile. Regardless of what the facts are, he will believe this because it suits his ends.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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don't try to pretend i do not knoe what i am talking about.

That really does not take any pretending. It would be like pretending to think that Elvis is dead; or that he is living in Argentina with JFK.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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don't try to pretend i do not knoe what i am talking about.

That really does not take any pretending. It would be like pretending to think that Elvis is dead; or that he is living in Argentina with JFK.

JFK is dead - and now - Teddy is too !

But Elvis, is still getting it on, it just happens in a hover-round now.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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Lemme guess - the "Loose Screws" crowd released another video?

Bigot!

Actually Loose screws describs it quite well.
At no point in that video did he use an example that was analogous to the world trade centre.
I'm not an engineer, but it doesn't take too much brain power to work out that the examples he used were not even close.

The world trade centre was a steel structure supporting concrete slab floors, not a steel re-enforce concrete structue.
To try and emulate it using blocks of ice, wood or mortar is just stupid.
All the examples at the end of the video showing building colapses gone wrong is incredulous.

Watch my video Fat Women
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRWkEky8GoI

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It is my understanding, that the towers were built, on the cheap. Typical mentality of the era. Afterall, over engineering costs money and time, and isn't necessary.
What happened to the towers, could never have happened to the the Empire State Building.

Instead of each floor's structure resting on the superstructure, it was hung on the superstructure with rivets.

It's like alot of today's carpentry, which makes me shake my head...At one time, the strongest place in the house, was the doorway. Not anymore.

Once the weight of the floors, above the explosion, began to move, a few rivets weren't going to stop the momentum.

It can all be laid at the feet of the architects and engineers...So much for science.

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>What happened to the towers, could never have happened to the
>the Empire State Building.

Right. And the Twin Towers could never have been built like the Empire State Building. There's a reason it's tapered; if it hadn't been, the upper section would have been too heavy for the bottom half to support. That's one reason the Empire State Building had about 2.7 million feet of floor space and each of the Twin Towers had about 4.3 million.

>Instead of each floor's structure resting on the superstructure, it was hung
>on the superstructure with rivets.

No, it wasn't. The trusses holding up each floor were either welded or bolted to one of two structural systems - the central core or the perimeter wall.

>It's like alot of today's carpentry, which makes me shake my head.

Hmm. Do jetliners and cars make you shake your head? Once upon a time, airplanes had frames surrounded by fabric (and later wood.) Once the monocoque concept came along, the stresses began to be carried by the skin of the aircraft rather than a separate frame. It made aircraft lighter, stronger and more resistant to pressurization forces.

Once upon a time, cars were built with frames, with non-load-carrying body parts bolted on top. But once manufacturers wanted to make lighter, stiffer, lower bodies, they had to switch to a unibody design.

All in all, today's homes, cars and airplanes are stronger, more resistant to catastrophic damage and cheaper than their equivalents of about a century ago.