Wild Stock Market Ride

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That was fun daddy! Let's do it again!

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Nothing like the last couple of years.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[Rstanley0312 1]

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Nothing like the last couple of years.

Not yet......

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Nothing like the last couple of years.

Not yet......

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LOL R "sky is falling" Stanley

Altho this is good news for those who want to see the US fail, in reality it was bad news. The market fell ~800 points in no time due to external European issues, bonds rose as people were stuffing their $$$ for safe keeping in fear of a collapse. Then just as the market almost went under 10k, savvy investors lurched at the deal and replaced the $$ from the chickens who pulled. In the end, the losers are the ones who gauge the market in 15-minute increments, the winners are the ones who gauge it in months/years.

This just shows how strong the market now is, a reflection of how strong the industrial base has become since your hero left and Obama implemented his policies. If this were 2008, the market would keep going down, just as the GDP did; a weak manufaturing base and economic plan led to a 14k to 6.5k freefall.

Still say the market is oversold? As I said, clammer that nonsense for enough months and years and as they say, "A stopped clock is right twice a day." As much as you hate it, the US is far more stable under Obama's policies, today is proof; a European mess started to affect us, then was averted.

Be patient, one of these nuts will succeed in blowing something up and you can blame Obama, just be patient, your goal of US loss will eventually come and then you can crack the champagne.

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Nothing like the last couple of years.

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LOL R "sky is falling" Stanley

Altho this is good news for those who want to see the US fail, in reality it was bad news. The market fell ~800 points in no time due to external European issues, bonds rose as people were stuffing their $$$ for safe keeping in fear of a collapse. Then just as the market almost went under 10k, savy investors lurched at the deal and replaced the $$ from the chickens who pulled. In the end, the losers are the ones who gauge the market in 15-minute increments, the winners are the ones who gauge it in months/years.

This just shows how strong the market now is, a reflecction of how strong the industrial base has become since your hero left and Obama implemented his policies. If this were 2008, the market would keep going down, just as the GDP was; a weak manufaturing base and economic plan led to a 14k to 6.5k freefall.

Still say the market is oversold? As I said, clammer that nonsense for enough months and years and as they say, "A stopped clock is right twice a day." As much as you hate it, the US is far more stble under Obama's policies, today is proof; a European mess started to affect us, then was averted.

Be patient, one of these nuts will succeed in blowing something up and you can blame Obama, just be patient, your goal of US loss will eventually come and then you can crack the champagne.

Some outlets are now reporting that the big plunge was due to a trading error.

"The Dow suffered its biggest ever intraday point drop, which may have been caused by an erroneous trade entered by a person at a big Wall Street bank, multiple market sources said."

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Nothing like the last couple of years.

Not yet......

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LOL R "sky is falling" Stanley

Altho this is good news for those who want to see the US fail, in reality it was bad news. The market fell ~800 points in no time due to external European issues, bonds rose as people were stuffing their $$$ for safe keeping in fear of a collapse. Then just as the market almost went under 10k, savy investors lurched at the deal and replaced the $$ from the chickens who pulled. In the end, the losers are the ones who gauge the market in 15-minute increments, the winners are the ones who gauge it in months/years.

This just shows how strong the market now is, a reflecction of how strong the industrial base has become since your hero left and Obama implemented his policies. If this were 2008, the market would keep going down, just as the GDP was; a weak manufaturing base and economic plan led to a 14k to 6.5k freefall.

Still say the market is oversold? As I said, clammer that nonsense for enough months and years and as they say, "A stopped clock is right twice a day." As much as you hate it, the US is far more stble under Obama's policies, today is proof; a European mess started to affect us, then was averted.

Be patient, one of these nuts will succeed in blowing something up and you can blame Obama, just be patient, your goal of US loss will eventually come and then you can crack the champagne.

Some outlets are now reporting that the big plunge was due to a trading error.

"The Dow suffered its biggest ever intraday point drop, which may have been caused by an erroneous trade entered by a person at a big Wall Street bank, multiple market sources said."

Right, I just read that too. Sad day for righties , the sky really isn't falling

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If you look at the day chart for VTI (Vanguard's Total Market), you see this massive spike downward at about 2:45pm EST. It appears to go from roughly 60 to 40, and then nearly as quickly pops back up. Further, the low supposedly is 15 cents.

Day's Range: 0.15 - 59.82

SPY showed something similar, but not as marked a change. Felt artificial.

I tried to take advantage, but this was a case where 15 minutes was too long. And then I found Schwab to be so bogged down with (presumably) crazy people that in the time it took me to enter an order, it went from 8% down on the day to 4% and rising. So it was a no action day for me.

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If you look at the day chart for VTI (Vanguard's Total Market), you see this massive spike downward at about 2:45pm EST. It appears to go from roughly 60 to 40, and then nearly as quickly pops back up. Further, the low supposedly is 15 cents.

Day's Range: 0.15 - 59.82

SPY showed something similar, but not as marked a change. Felt artificial.

I tried to take advantage, but this was a case where 15 minutes was too long. And then I found Schwab to be so bogged down with (presumably) crazy people that in the time it took me to enter an order, it went from 8% down on the day to 4% and rising. So it was a no action day for me.

Nasdaq to cancel some trades:
www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6456QB20100507

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Accenture was he largest mover . 40ish to a penny and back in 4 minutes. P&G took a 50% hit in those same 4 minutes.

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Cancel based on what? If they can show it was a NASDAQ trading problem, fine. If the trades were a result of institution computer programs executing stop-limit trades and other pre-programmed parameters that's a different issue. Sometimes having computers in complete control is a two way street. They're utilized to eck out an extra percent or two return, so be prepared for when they screw the whole thing up.

If they can get everyone involved in that time frame to agree to a 'do over' fine. Otherwise, might be some problems ahead for NASDAQ.

In the in terest of fair trading, if there was an error, people need to be made whole agian, not 2 x whole, 3 x whole, etc. Now if there was no error, then let it pay where it sits. Ethical trading is a foreign term for conservatives it seems. I think the RW mind works like this: If you stole the money and got away, it's all legal. The possession rule is right in line with RWers.

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Cancel based on what? If they can show it was a NASDAQ trading problem, fine. If the trades were a result of institution computer programs executing stop-limit trades and other pre-programmed parameters that's a different issue. Sometimes having computers in complete control is a two way street. They're utilized to eck out an extra percent or two return, so be prepared for when they screw the whole thing up.

If they can get everyone involved in that time frame to agree to a 'do over' fine. Otherwise, might be some problems ahead for NASDAQ.

In the in terest of fair trading, if there was an error, people need to be made whole agian, not 2 x whole, 3 x whole, etc. Now if there was no error, then let it pay where it sits. Ethical trading is a foreign term for conservatives it seems. I think the RW mind works like this: If you stole the money and got away, it's all legal. The possession rule is right in line with RWers.

Sorry to burst yer bubble, pal, but breaking ethics rules in the trading world knows no party lines. Libs are just as guilty as conservs, Repubs just as guilty as Dems.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
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Cancel based on what? If they can show it was a NASDAQ trading problem, fine. If the trades were a result of institution computer programs executing stop-limit trades and other pre-programmed parameters that's a different issue. Sometimes having computers in complete control is a two way street. They're utilized to eck out an extra percent or two return, so be prepared for when they screw the whole thing up.

If they can get everyone involved in that time frame to agree to a 'do over' fine. Otherwise, might be some problems ahead for NASDAQ.

In the in terest of fair trading, if there was an error, people need to be made whole agian, not 2 x whole, 3 x whole, etc. Now if there was no error, then let it pay where it sits. Ethical trading is a foreign term for conservatives it seems. I think the RW mind works like this: If you stole the money and got away, it's all legal. The possession rule is right in line with RWers.

Sorry to burst yer bubble, pal, but breaking ethics rules in the trading world knows no party lines. Libs are just as guilty as conservs, Repubs just as guilty as Dems.

Yea, good one. The R's are well-known for the Robin Hood syndrome.

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Cancel based on what? If they can show it was a NASDAQ trading problem, fine. If the trades were a result of institution computer programs executing stop-limit trades and other pre-programmed parameters that's a different issue. Sometimes having computers in complete control is a two way street. They're utilized to eck out an extra percent or two return, so be prepared for when they screw the whole thing up.

If they can get everyone involved in that time frame to agree to a 'do over' fine. Otherwise, might be some problems ahead for NASDAQ.

In the in terest of fair trading, if there was an error, people need to be made whole agian, not 2 x whole, 3 x whole, etc. Now if there was no error, then let it pay where it sits. Ethical trading is a foreign term for conservatives it seems. I think the RW mind works like this: If you stole the money and got away, it's all legal. The possession rule is right in line with RWers.

Exactly. They've replaced the human component with automated computer trading programs executing buy/sell based on protective stops and buy orders. One computer triggers a massive sell as 62.5 which pushes it to 62.4. That triggers another computer to sell and pushes it to another large sell trigger at 62.3 and so on down the line. If it was a NASDAQ glitch fine, otherwise the trades need to stand.

Or if it was a glitch in any system, not a planned manipulation, but a bonafide glitch in any system, restore it to the way it was before today and start over.

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>Or if it was a glitch in any system, not a planned manipulation, but a
>bonafide glitch in any system, restore it to the way it was before today
>and start over.

Simply not possible; the system is too complex to just "reset."

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Cancel based on what? If they can show it was a NASDAQ trading problem, fine. If the trades were a result of institution computer programs executing stop-limit trades and other pre-programmed parameters that's a different issue. Sometimes having computers in complete control is a two way street. They're utilized to eck out an extra percent or two return, so be prepared for when they screw the whole thing up.

If they can get everyone involved in that time frame to agree to a 'do over' fine. Otherwise, might be some problems ahead for NASDAQ.

In the in terest of fair trading, if there was an error, people need to be made whole agian, not 2 x whole, 3 x whole, etc. Now if there was no error, then let it pay where it sits. Ethical trading is a foreign term for conservatives it seems. I think the RW mind works like this: If you stole the money and got away, it's all legal. The possession rule is right in line with RWers.

Sorry to burst yer bubble, pal, but breaking ethics rules in the trading world knows no party lines. Libs are just as guilty as conservs, Repubs just as guilty as Dems.

Yea, good one. The R's are well-known for the Robin Hood syndrome.

Oh, you mean like Joseph Kennedy Sr. ?
Like I said, unethical trading practices know no party lines. It is obvious you are blind to that fact.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
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Cancel based on what? If they can show it was a NASDAQ trading problem, fine. If the trades were a result of institution computer programs executing stop-limit trades and other pre-programmed parameters that's a different issue. Sometimes having computers in complete control is a two way street. They're utilized to eck out an extra percent or two return, so be prepared for when they screw the whole thing up.

If they can get everyone involved in that time frame to agree to a 'do over' fine. Otherwise, might be some problems ahead for NASDAQ.

In the in terest of fair trading, if there was an error, people need to be made whole agian, not 2 x whole, 3 x whole, etc. Now if there was no error, then let it pay where it sits. Ethical trading is a foreign term for conservatives it seems. I think the RW mind works like this: If you stole the money and got away, it's all legal. The possession rule is right in line with RWers.

Sorry to burst yer bubble, pal, but breaking ethics rules in the trading world knows no party lines. Libs are just as guilty as conservs, Repubs just as guilty as Dems.

Yea, good one. The R's are well-known for the Robin Hood syndrome.

Oh, you mean like Joseph Kennedy Sr. ?
Like I said, unethical trading practices know no party lines. It is obvious you are blind to that fact.

That is true and the "glitch" is being misreported. There was no "glitch" in the terms everyone is thinking about. The NYSE slowed the market bc the selloff was real. This is part of our model but other exchanges still have the choice to trade through us at normal speed and they did. There was also a fear factor involved.... when traders look at key note market equities like P&G and it is tanking that will quickly scare the shit of them and they will sell by emotion and reaction. That is pretty much what happend but as soon as people realized it they jumped back in and the market closed where it should have yesterday.... around the same mark it was down before the "panic".

Lucky... no one said the sky is falling and I never made any claims about this being a collapse. You love to make calims... the truth is Obama did not cause the recent bullish moves and Obama will not be at fault when this happens either. The market is simply not that strong right now. There are a lot of weak legs and all it takes is a big blow to one of those legs and what happened yesterday can happpen. Like I have said this whole time...... be careful what you call a strong market as it could retrace deeply in the blink of an eye.

But you Lucky will now once again take what I said and blow it out of proportion and twist it as you normally do. I hope you enjoy that with your "extensive" market knowledge.

Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it.
Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000
www.fundraiseadventure.com

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If you look at the day chart for VTI (Vanguard's Total Market), you see this massive spike downward at about 2:45pm EST. It appears to go from roughly 60 to 40, and then nearly as quickly pops back up. Further, the low supposedly is 15 cents.

Day's Range: 0.15 - 59.82

SPY showed something similar, but not as marked a change. Felt artificial.

I tried to take advantage, but this was a case where 15 minutes was too long. And then I found Schwab to be so bogged down with (presumably) crazy people that in the time it took me to enter an order, it went from 8% down on the day to 4% and rising. So it was a no action day for me.

I had about 200 contracts already in on out of the money puts placed on the Q's. Cheap and they hit huge I was lucky. I tried to get more stuff in but it was impossible for me as well and my platform is the fastest out there. Think or Swim

Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it.
Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000
www.fundraiseadventure.com

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>Or if it was a glitch in any system, not a planned manipulation, but a
>bonafide glitch in any system, restore it to the way it was before today
>and start over.

Simply not possible; the system is too complex to just "reset."

Well, the *should* go back and try to fix it. I guess now they're saying it was a fatfinger, B instead of M for million.

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Cancel based on what? If they can show it was a NASDAQ trading problem, fine. If the trades were a result of institution computer programs executing stop-limit trades and other pre-programmed parameters that's a different issue. Sometimes having computers in complete control is a two way street. They're utilized to eck out an extra percent or two return, so be prepared for when they screw the whole thing up.

If they can get everyone involved in that time frame to agree to a 'do over' fine. Otherwise, might be some problems ahead for NASDAQ.

In the in terest of fair trading, if there was an error, people need to be made whole agian, not 2 x whole, 3 x whole, etc. Now if there was no error, then let it pay where it sits. Ethical trading is a foreign term for conservatives it seems. I think the RW mind works like this: If you stole the money and got away, it's all legal. The possession rule is right in line with RWers.

Sorry to burst yer bubble, pal, but breaking ethics rules in the trading world knows no party lines. Libs are just as guilty as conservs, Repubs just as guilty as Dems.

Yea, good one. The R's are well-known for the Robin Hood syndrome.

Oh, you mean like Joseph Kennedy Sr. ?
Like I said, unethical trading practices know no party lines. It is obvious you are blind to that fact.

Contemporarily, as a generalization, Republicans/conservatives couldn't give a rat's ass about people, the Dems currently do. Look at the vetoed children's HC bill, then passed under Obama and the Dem congress. Look at the major HC bill/law and who backed it. FAIL.

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Cancel based on what? If they can show it was a NASDAQ trading problem, fine. If the trades were a result of institution computer programs executing stop-limit trades and other pre-programmed parameters that's a different issue. Sometimes having computers in complete control is a two way street. They're utilized to eck out an extra percent or two return, so be prepared for when they screw the whole thing up.

If they can get everyone involved in that time frame to agree to a 'do over' fine. Otherwise, might be some problems ahead for NASDAQ.

In the in terest of fair trading, if there was an error, people need to be made whole agian, not 2 x whole, 3 x whole, etc. Now if there was no error, then let it pay where it sits. Ethical trading is a foreign term for conservatives it seems. I think the RW mind works like this: If you stole the money and got away, it's all legal. The possession rule is right in line with RWers.

Sorry to burst yer bubble, pal, but breaking ethics rules in the trading world knows no party lines. Libs are just as guilty as conservs, Repubs just as guilty as Dems.

Yea, good one. The R's are well-known for the Robin Hood syndrome.

Oh, you mean like Joseph Kennedy Sr. ?
Like I said, unethical trading practices know no party lines. It is obvious you are blind to that fact.

Contemporarily, as a generalization, Republicans/conservatives couldn't give a rat's ass about people, the Dems currently do. Look at the vetoed children's HC bill, then passed under Obama and the Dem congress. Look at the major HC bill/law and who backed it. FAIL.

Your HC raises costs and helps no one except those wanting more power and control in Washington

There is failure here, yours

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Cancel based on what? If they can show it was a NASDAQ trading problem, fine. If the trades were a result of institution computer programs executing stop-limit trades and other pre-programmed parameters that's a different issue. Sometimes having computers in complete control is a two way street. They're utilized to eck out an extra percent or two return, so be prepared for when they screw the whole thing up.

If they can get everyone involved in that time frame to agree to a 'do over' fine. Otherwise, might be some problems ahead for NASDAQ.

In the in terest of fair trading, if there was an error, people need to be made whole agian, not 2 x whole, 3 x whole, etc. Now if there was no error, then let it pay where it sits. Ethical trading is a foreign term for conservatives it seems. I think the RW mind works like this: If you stole the money and got away, it's all legal. The possession rule is right in line with RWers.

Sorry to burst yer bubble, pal, but breaking ethics rules in the trading world knows no party lines. Libs are just as guilty as conservs, Repubs just as guilty as Dems.

Yea, good one. The R's are well-known for the Robin Hood syndrome.

Oh, you mean like Joseph Kennedy Sr. ?
Like I said, unethical trading practices know no party lines. It is obvious you are blind to that fact.

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That is true and the "glitch" is being misreported. There was no "glitch" in the terms everyone is thinking about. The NYSE slowed the market bc the selloff was real. This is part of our model but other exchanges still have the choice to trade through us at normal speed and they did. There was also a fear factor involved.... when traders look at key note market equities like P&G and it is tanking that will quickly scare the shit of them and they will sell by emotion and reaction. That is pretty much what happend but as soon as people realized it they jumped back in and the market closed where it should have yesterday.... around the same mark it was down before the "panic".

They're now saying it was a fatfinger error ordering a selloff of 1000 times more than they meant.

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Lucky... no one said the sky is falling and I never made any claims about this being a collapse.

6 months ago you said the market was oversold and that a selloff was looming - 6 months ago.

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You love to make calims... the truth is Obama did not cause the recent bullish moves and Obama will not be at fault when this happens either.

His policies aided in the recovery: stock market, unemp and GDP. Contrast that with your hero's polcies and the result. Look at Clinton's policies, Reagan's policies and the results. Granted it's not 1 for 1, but polciies have some sort of indirect affect on these markets, sometimes a huge direct affect. Look at the Republican depression in 29, Hoover did nothing to save teh banks, the market, jobs, nothing relevant - it will fix itself. Then at the end of his term he signed the biggest tax increase in history, even today. That set the stage for FDR to finish the recovery which took 10 years thx to innaction, the same ainnaction GWB has shown, that Obama didn't repeat. Now you say the pres has nothing to do with the stock market? I'm sure you still do.

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The market is simply not that strong right now. There are a lot of weak legs and all it takes is a big blow to one of those legs and what happened yesterday can happpen.

Absolutley, it's from the Republican gutter to the Democratic recovery. I know, I know, it's just coincidence . Unfortunately the blow came from Europe and maybe an American fatfinger, I guess they owe us that after our Great Republican Recession fucked them so hard.

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Like I have said this whole time...... be careful what you call a strong market as it could retrace deeply in the blink of an eye.

I don't think the market is strong, I think it''s gaining strength or regaining strength from your guy's mess. And sure, teh market can fall any time, GDP can, I just think this recovery speed is probably unprecedented, even faster than teh GD.

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But you Lucky will now once again take what I said and blow it out of proportion and twist it as you normally do. I hope you enjoy that with your "extensive" market knowledge.

You claim to trade stocks for a living, you predicted a selloff 6 months aggo, which is a massive amount of time in the stock world, and none until a small selloff now that was triggered by problems outside the US and possibly an stock trader error or was it manipulation? The market is still strong as compared what it was under your guy.

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Cancel based on what? If they can show it was a NASDAQ trading problem, fine. If the trades were a result of institution computer programs executing stop-limit trades and other pre-programmed parameters that's a different issue. Sometimes having computers in complete control is a two way street. They're utilized to eck out an extra percent or two return, so be prepared for when they screw the whole thing up.

If they can get everyone involved in that time frame to agree to a 'do over' fine. Otherwise, might be some problems ahead for NASDAQ.

In the in terest of fair trading, if there was an error, people need to be made whole agian, not 2 x whole, 3 x whole, etc. Now if there was no error, then let it pay where it sits. Ethical trading is a foreign term for conservatives it seems. I think the RW mind works like this: If you stole the money and got away, it's all legal. The possession rule is right in line with RWers.

Sorry to burst yer bubble, pal, but breaking ethics rules in the trading world knows no party lines. Libs are just as guilty as conservs, Repubs just as guilty as Dems.

Yea, good one. The R's are well-known for the Robin Hood syndrome.

Oh, you mean like Joseph Kennedy Sr. ?
Like I said, unethical trading practices know no party lines. It is obvious you are blind to that fact.

Contemporarily, as a generalization, Republicans/conservatives couldn't give a rat's ass about people, the Dems currently do. Look at the vetoed children's HC bill, then passed under Obama and the Dem congress. Look at the major HC bill/law and who backed it. FAIL.

Your HC raises costs and helps no one except those wanting more power and control in Washington

There is failure here, yours

If HC is such a tank, then how is it that Canada has basically pulled even with us? Australia has closed the gap. HC serves 2 purposes:

- Makes people well

- Creates jobs


America is such a sociopathic nation that the people only look for the benefit of themselves and not the entire nation, this probably explains a lot of the scandals.

[billvon 3,120]

>Well, the *should* go back and try to fix it.

Again, not possible. Some simple examples:

You short a stock and make $20,000. You complete the short sale, take the money, buy a new car and, giddy with delight, drive it too fast and crash it. How do you fix that?

You are within hours of losing your house to foreclosure. You buy at the bottom of the dip, make enough to pay off your mortgage, and transfer the money to your bank. Who comes the next day to take your home away?

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Cancel based on what? If they can show it was a NASDAQ trading problem, fine. If the trades were a result of institution computer programs executing stop-limit trades and other pre-programmed parameters that's a different issue. Sometimes having computers in complete control is a two way street. They're utilized to eck out an extra percent or two return, so be prepared for when they screw the whole thing up.

If they can get everyone involved in that time frame to agree to a 'do over' fine. Otherwise, might be some problems ahead for NASDAQ.

In the in terest of fair trading, if there was an error, people need to be made whole agian, not 2 x whole, 3 x whole, etc. Now if there was no error, then let it pay where it sits. Ethical trading is a foreign term for conservatives it seems. I think the RW mind works like this: If you stole the money and got away, it's all legal. The possession rule is right in line with RWers.

Sorry to burst yer bubble, pal, but breaking ethics rules in the trading world knows no party lines. Libs are just as guilty as conservs, Repubs just as guilty as Dems.

Yea, good one. The R's are well-known for the Robin Hood syndrome.

Oh, you mean like Joseph Kennedy Sr. ?
Like I said, unethical trading practices know no party lines. It is obvious you are blind to that fact.

Contemporarily, as a generalization, Republicans/conservatives couldn't give a rat's ass about people, the Dems currently do. Look at the vetoed children's HC bill, then passed under Obama and the Dem congress. Look at the major HC bill/law and who backed it. FAIL.

Your HC raises costs and helps no one except those wanting more power and control in Washington

There is failure here, yours

If HC is such a tank, then how is it that Canada has basically pulled even with us? Australia has closed the gap. HC serves 2 purposes:

- Makes people well

- Creates jobs


America is such a sociopathic nation that the people only look for the benefit of themselves and not the entire nation, this probably explains a lot of the scandals.

You have a sick view of a country that I do not share
But then I do not believe in socialist policy as you do

And the HC plan will never come close to full implementation
1st much of it will not pass legal muster and the rest will be de-funded
Why fund it when it is now clear it will raise the costs
As shown in the muffled report (you know, the one that showed the Obama admin to be telling less than the truth about the costs of the fucked up bill?) that was kept quiet until after the vote?

Your squealing will be heard coast to coast when that happens

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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>Well, the *should* go back and try to fix it.

Again, not possible. Some simple examples:

You short a stock and make $20,000. You complete the short sale, take the money, buy a new car and, giddy with delight, drive it too fast and crash it. How do you fix that?

You are within hours of losing your house to foreclosure. You buy at the bottom of the dip, make enough to pay off your mortgage, and transfer the money to your bank. Who comes the next day to take your home away?

Yea I guess. first we have to understand if there was an error or worse, manipulation, then go from there. It will probably stick unless they can prove manipulation.