Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees on Cinco de Mayo

[JohnRich 4]

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The boys said the administrators called their T-shirts "incendiary" that would lead to fights on campus.

One fucked up high school.

In other words, what they're really saying is that some of the Mexican-American students are a bunch of violent thugs.

[Andy9o8 2]

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The boys said the administrators called their T-shirts "incendiary" that would lead to fights on campus.

One fucked up high school.

In other words, what they're really saying is that some of the Mexican-American students are a bunch of violent thugs.

Seems to me that if a Chicano student saw a shirt and said "Cool, but I'm still proud to be Mexican", and some white kid hauls off and slugs him for it, it's the white kid who's being a violent thug. If the school suspected that potential, then the school is saying that some of the white kids are a bunch of violent thugs.

In my 50+ years alive, I've known a hell of a lot of violent thugs who were white.

[Bolas 5]

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I think the asst principal did what he did because he was afraid that if he didn't, a fight might break out. Clear as mud.

If that was the intention, make all remove their flag and heritage shirts, not just one group as that just fosters resentment toward others, and rightfully so.

Or just wait until it looks like it may be an issue and then implement what I suggested above.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
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The boys said the administrators called their T-shirts "incendiary" that would lead to fights on campus.

One fucked up high school.

In other words, what they're really saying is that some of the Mexican-American students are a bunch of violent thugs.

Seems to me that if a Chicano student saw a shirt and said "Cool, but I'm still proud to be Mexican", and some white kid hauls off and slugs him for it, it's the white kid who's being a violent thug. If the school suspected that potential, then the school is saying that some of the white kids are a bunch of violent thugs.

And at that point you suspend the white kid for starting the fight, and possibly implement the no country or heritage shirts policy.

You've then got cause and possible resolution that favors no one group.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[Andy9o8 2]

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And at that point you suspend the white kid for starting the fight,

Well of course; but that wasn't the point (or implied point) that prompted my responding that way.

[Bolas 5]

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And at that point you suspend the white kid for starting the fight,

Well of course; but that wasn't the point (or implied point) that prompted my responding that way.

I'll clarify: You suspend the kid who starts the fight, regardless of race or gender.

Allowing one group to not do something because it may be distracting, upsetting, cause issues, etc. just has the potential to breed more resentment.

"Dude. I can't believe they won't let us do/wear x. Just cuz those kids got in a fight."

Is better than:

"WTF. I can't believe we can't do/wear x yet they can just because they're (insert difference)"

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[Skyrad 0]

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OK, so what is cinco de Mayo? (Never heard of this holiday before.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinco_de_mayo

Thanks Andy, damn! Even the Mexicans get to celebrate beating the French, personally I think we should have 'Waterloo day' in celebration of kicking crepard butt. However, now I'm more confused than ever. How is wearing the USA flag in the USA on a day the Mexicans celebrate beating the French in anyway going to upset Mexicans????
Just don't get it.

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[Andy9o8 2]

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Even the Mexicans get to celebrate beating the French,

What's not to celebrate?

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LOL...Thats what I mean

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[Rick 67]

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How is wearing the USA flag in the USA on a day the Mexicans celebrate beating the French in anyway going to upset Mexicans????
Just don't get it.

Does seem pretty silly doesn't it.

You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early!

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Even the Mexicans get to celebrate beating the French,

What's not to celebrate?

Remster

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In normal people language, I think the asst principal did what he did because he was afraid that if he didn't, a fight might break out. Clear as mud.

Yep. "We cannot allow speech if a fight might break out. So let's restrain it."

Now, had the admin also banned Mexican flags, colors, etc., then I wouldn't have a problem with it. The fact is that only one viewpoint was quashed is the problem. "Hey. Remove the Mexican flags. Some white kids may respond with American flags of their own."

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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I think it's all a little silly, but I do have to ask myself-- do these kids really dress like this a lot? Any time, if ever before this? Sounds to me they were looking for confrontation and they got the hooplah they were looking for, but if they dress like this all the time, then then go on with their bad selves, I guess.

Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :)

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In normal people language, I think the asst principal did what he did because he was afraid that if he didn't, a fight might break out. Clear as mud.

Yep. "We cannot allow speech if a fight might break out. So let's restrain it."

Now, had the admin also banned Mexican flags, colors, etc., then I wouldn't have a problem with it. The fact is that only one viewpoint was quashed is the problem. "Hey. Remove the Mexican flags. Some white kids may respond with American flags of their own."

Didn't have problems like this when I was in school, we all had to wear school uniforms.

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Even the Mexicans get to celebrate beating the French,

What's not to celebrate?

sacre bleu.
mes excuses

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http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/Students-Wearing-American-Flag-Shirts-Sent-Home-92945969.html

First, Cinco de Mayo is not a holiday in this country. Second, this school must have all their ducks in a row: perfect graduation rates, on-par reading, writing, math, science, history - because for something like this to happen, there must be no problems left in the school.

For those that don't know, Morgan Hill is in Santa Clara County (South Bay), on US 101 between San Jose and Gilroy.

All we do is to speculate as to what isn't written. It's likely to me that these guys wouldn't wear a flag t-shirt and/or bandana on any other day, so their exhibition of them this day was more of a, "Fuck Conco De Mayo."

Now, should any person have the right to wear a US flag T-shirt into schools? Of course, but if the result is that it could easily instigate a riot, then I say no.

If the article read, "California high school principle allows the wearing of US falg bandana on Conco De Mayo, 4 dead." Then it goes on to state how everyone could see tensions rising as these boys were known to utter, "Beaner, wetback" and the likes, and school officials ignored this in light of a person's right to free expression. -- How would you feel then?

School staff has the #1 duty to ensure student safety, even moreso than to ensure student learning, so as retarded as this matter sounds, it was the right thing to do. Life in a racially heterogenious society is quite different than in racially homogenious societies and these actions must be doen to avoid a riot.

Most people inputting here in a negative light probably consider vo-tech or military tech schools to be academia, they don't understand or care of the origins of this nation and would gladly exchange several young lives for principle. To those I would say that I probably missed you with the explanation here and don't expect you will ever get it.

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Now, should any person have the right to wear a US flag T-shirt into schools? Of course, but if the result is that it could easily instigate a riot, then I say no.

If one is prone to rioting at the sight of their nation's flag, there's your problem. There should be an American flag in every classroom.

and let's face it - Cinco de Mayo seems hardly different than St Patrick's Day - a good reason to eat and drink and party for an event that has very limited meaning anymore, esp for Americans. Do we celebrate Bastille's Day in the US?

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And at that point you suspend the white kid for starting the fight,

Well of course; but that wasn't the point (or implied point) that prompted my responding that way.

I'll clarify: You suspend the kid who starts the fight, regardless of race or gender.

Allowing one group to not do something because it may be distracting, upsetting, cause issues, etc. just has the potential to breed more resentment.

"Dude. I can't believe they won't let us do/wear x. Just cuz those kids got in a fight."

Is better than:

"WTF. I can't believe we can't do/wear x yet they can just because they're (insert difference)"

And to the parents of the innocent bystander(s) hurt/killed in a fight you would say what? Right, as the principle you do what you have to to avoid riot, unrest, etc. Even if you have to so-called trample all over another peson's constitutional rights. Tears can be wept away as pussy is crying because he can't wear his favorite shirt, sometime blood cannot be retained long enough to save someone after a fight/riot.

It's very shortsighted to worry about a person's favorite shirt or right to express over life itself. This is why when demonstrations are to be performed, you must get a permit so teh cops can assemble to dissuade violence or rectify it quickly once it happens.

Ever wonder why KKK marches are often refused to be permitted? Knowing it could cause a riot, it's safety over expression; sorry that doesn't make sense to you.

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Now, should any person have the right to wear a US flag T-shirt into schools? Of course, but if the result is that it could easily instigate a riot, then I say no.

If one is prone to rioting at the sight of their nation's flag, there's your problem. There should be an American flag in every classroom.

and let's face it - Cinco de Mayo seems hardly different than St Patrick's Day - a good reason to eat and drink and party for an event that has very limited meaning anymore, esp for Americans. Do we celebrate Bastille's Day in the US?

You're missing the point and getting excited about the flag shirt itself as if it can't incite violence and is somehow exempt from politicizing. Let's remove the US flag part and put any random character in there. Would it be prudent to let a person wear a shirt/headband/etc with a character on it that could incite a riot? Of course not, but we throw in the US flag and all of the sudden its's on.

If you were teh principle, responsible fo rthe safety and education of 100's of students, you would do teh same thing or eventgually you would be replaced after a riot and you doing nothing to avert it in light of warning signs; they call that gross negligence.

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Ever wonder why KKK marches are often refused to be permitted? Knowing it could cause a riot, it's safety over expression; sorry that doesn't make sense to you.

FWIW, those permit refusals are usually unconstitutional, and usually reversed by the courts (at least once it gets to Federal court).

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Ever wonder why KKK marches are often refused to be permitted? Knowing it could cause a riot, it's safety over expression; sorry that doesn't make sense to you.

FWIW, those permit refusals are usually unconstitutional, and usually reversed by the courts (at least once it gets to Federal court).

I think many stand, esp with the KKK. But the point is, the local officials are covered if the feds override and something stupid happens. ALl these measures are just an ass-covering maneuver, such as with the principle. You know, negligence vs gross negligence.

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Even the Mexicans get to celebrate beating the French,

What's not to celebrate?

OH PULEEZE - don't act all offended - you guys know the reality of it!
Here have a nice flag shirt.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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Now, should any person have the right to wear a US flag T-shirt into schools? Of course, but if the result is that it could easily instigate a riot, then I say no.

If one is prone to rioting at the sight of their nation's flag, there's your problem. There should be an American flag in every classroom.

and let's face it - Cinco de Mayo seems hardly different than St Patrick's Day - a good reason to eat and drink and party for an event that has very limited meaning anymore, esp for Americans. Do we celebrate Bastille's Day in the US?

You're missing the point and getting excited about the flag shirt itself as if it can't incite violence and is somehow exempt from politicizing. Let's remove the US flag part and put any random character in there. Would it be prudent to let a person wear a shirt/headband/etc with a character on it that could incite a riot? Of course not, but we throw in the US flag and all of the sudden its's on.

If you were teh principle, responsible fo rthe safety and education of 100's of students, you would do teh same thing or eventgually you would be replaced after a riot and you doing nothing to avert it in light of warning signs; they call that gross negligence.

I think you are missing the point - if you deny one group thier expressions - you should deny the others theirs. Isn't that what the big uproar about prayer in school is about?

It was clearly a biased move.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Now, should any person have the right to wear a US flag T-shirt into schools? Of course, but if the result is that it could easily instigate a riot, then I say no.

If one is prone to rioting at the sight of their nation's flag, there's your problem. There should be an American flag in every classroom.

and let's face it - Cinco de Mayo seems hardly different than St Patrick's Day - a good reason to eat and drink and party for an event that has very limited meaning anymore, esp for Americans. Do we celebrate Bastille's Day in the US?

You're missing the point and getting excited about the flag shirt itself as if it can't incite violence and is somehow exempt from politicizing. Let's remove the US flag part and put any random character in there. Would it be prudent to let a person wear a shirt/headband/etc with a character on it that could incite a riot? Of course not, but we throw in the US flag and all of the sudden its's on.

If you were teh principle, responsible fo rthe safety and education of 100's of students, you would do teh same thing or eventgually you would be replaced after a riot and you doing nothing to avert it in light of warning signs; they call that gross negligence.

I think you are missing the point - if you deny one group thier expressions - you should deny the others theirs. Isn't that what the big uproar about prayer in school is about?

It was clearly a biased move.

This goes way past your point

Way past

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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[turtlespeed 226]

What's a little hypocrisy between democrats?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun