kelpdiver 2 #76 July 16, 2010 Quote So you won't be telling us what you think of fascist Ronnie pardoning Steinbrenner? Yea, it's fun to run-n-hide, huh? It hadn't even occurred for me to think about an event from the 80s. Did his death this week suddenly make this a relevant topic? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #77 July 16, 2010 Quote Quote So you won't be telling us what you think of fascist Ronnie pardoning Steinbrenner? Yea, it's fun to run-n-hide, huh? It hadn't even occurred for me to think about an event from the 80s. Did his death this week suddenly make this a relevant topic? Well, the Polanski issue has been ongoing since 77; no problem revisting that one. We get it, it's ok to pardon Nazi fascist corporate pigs and GWB cronies (he had his sentence absolved), just not liberal Hollywood types. DUDE, WE GET YA, THIS IS A POLITICAL STATEMENT DISGIUSED AS A CHILD PROTECTION ISSUE - YOU KEEP MAKING THAT MORE AND MORE CLEAR. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lost_n_confuzd 0 #78 July 16, 2010 Quote We get it, it's ok to pardon Nazi fascist corporate pigs and GWB cronies (he had his sentence absolved), just not liberal Hollywood types. Are you saying Polanski should be pardoned for his crime (having sex with a kid) because others were pardoned theirs? That's the drift I get from your post. A simple answer, yes or no, would be great. Thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #79 July 16, 2010 Quote Quote It hadn't even occurred for me to think about an event from the 80s. Did his death this week suddenly make this a relevant topic? Well, the Polanski issue has been ongoing since 77; no problem revisting that one. We get it, it's ok to pardon Nazi fascist corporate pigs and GWB cronies (he had his sentence absolved), just not liberal Hollywood types. DUDE, WE GET YA, THIS IS A POLITICAL STATEMENT DISGIUSED AS A CHILD PROTECTION ISSUE - YOU KEEP MAKING THAT MORE AND MORE CLEAR. Are you really trying to equate these two? Steinbrenner makes some illegal campaign contributions and is fined for it. He pays his fine and completes his suspension from baseball. On the other side, we have forcible drugging and rape of a 13 year old, followed by fleeing the country. If you think these are on par, stay the fuck away from any of my friends and their children. But I hope, and find it far more likely, that it is you that is trying to make political statements due to uncontrollable bias. Maybe you'll bring Charles Manson into it next. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #80 July 17, 2010 Quote Quote We get it, it's ok to pardon Nazi fascist corporate pigs and GWB cronies (he had his sentence absolved), just not liberal Hollywood types. Are you saying Polanski should be pardoned for his crime (having sex with a kid) because others were pardoned theirs? That's the drift I get from your post. A simple answer, yes or no, would be great. Thanks. It was more of an editorial/observation about this being a political matter, not a criminal matter in the eyes of posters here. All should pay for their crimes, but if the system fucks up, either a new trial or quashing of charges need to be ordered. This is about due process. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #81 July 17, 2010 Quote Quote Quote It hadn't even occurred for me to think about an event from the 80s. Did his death this week suddenly make this a relevant topic? Well, the Polanski issue has been ongoing since 77; no problem revisting that one. We get it, it's ok to pardon Nazi fascist corporate pigs and GWB cronies (he had his sentence absolved), just not liberal Hollywood types. DUDE, WE GET YA, THIS IS A POLITICAL STATEMENT DISGIUSED AS A CHILD PROTECTION ISSUE - YOU KEEP MAKING THAT MORE AND MORE CLEAR. Are you really trying to equate these two? Steinbrenner makes some illegal campaign contributions and is fined for it. He pays his fine and completes his suspension from baseball. On the other side, we have forcible drugging and rape of a 13 year old, followed by fleeing the country. If you think these are on par, stay the fuck away from any of my friends and their children. But I hope, and find it far more likely, that it is you that is trying to make political statements due to uncontrollable bias. Maybe you'll bring Charles Manson into it next. Conceptually these 3 incidents are related. I say 3 incidents because you didn't want to include the outting of a federal agent, you real American, you. Is it worse to mollest a 13-yo gorl or out a federal agent? I can see grave damage in each. The "convicted" part of Billy Martin's famous 1978 "liar and convicted" comment referred to Steinbrenner's connection to Richard Nixon: in 1974 Steinbrenner pleaded guilty to making illegal contributions to Nixon's re-election campaign, and to a felony charge of obstruction of justice. He was personally fined $15,000 and his company was assessed an additional $20,000. On November 27, Commissioner Bowie Kuhn suspended him for two years, but later reduced it to fifteen months. Ronald Reagan pardoned Steinbrenner in January 1989, one of the final acts of his presidency. Steinbrenner is a dirty POS, tied to Nixon. Don't forget felony obstruction of justice, or does that ruin your awesome point? It is you who refuses to even condemn Steinbrenner for all of his many dirty deeds, Libby for his outting of a fed agent, convicted of multi counts of obstruction and perjury; so it is you making the political statement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #82 July 17, 2010 wow, now Libby is part of this? How far are you going to reach to support your defense of a kiddie rapist? And when are you going to figure out the difference between a pardon and a guy that ditches his country rather than face the music? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #83 July 17, 2010 Quote A simple answer, yes or no, would be great a miracle. You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #84 July 17, 2010 Quote wow, now Libby is part of this? How far are you going to reach to support your defense of a kiddie rapist? And when are you going to figure out the difference between a pardon and a guy that ditches his country rather than face the music? Libby wasn't pardoned - his sentence was commuted.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #85 July 17, 2010 Quote Quote wow, now Libby is part of this? How far are you going to reach to support your defense of a kiddie rapist? And when are you going to figure out the difference between a pardon and a guy that ditches his country rather than face the music? Libby wasn't pardoned - his sentence was commuted. Although I'm a Dem who didn't like the Bush Admin & didn't like what was done in the Plame affair, I hold the unpopular (for Dems) opinion that Libby should have been pardoned. Why? Because he took the fall, fell on his sword, if you will, while others were effectively shielded. That offended my sense of justice. It would have been very politically unpopular, damaging even, had he been pardoned; but it would have been the ethically braver thing to do. I expressed that opinion at the time it happened, in this thread: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2708384;search_string=libby;#2708384 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #86 July 17, 2010 I don't necessarily disagree with the concept as you state it. Still think it should've been Armitage on trial, since he's the one that actually gave her name to the press. Of course, given that she was quite possibly one of the agents compromised by Ames, and Wilson's introductions of her as his "CIA wife" in the Georgetown party circuit, it wasn't like she was covert anymore.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
