Obama threatened by heckuva glob

[rushmc 23]

Posted for debate

I find this highly ironic. (and no, I am not intending to slam Obama here)

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/apr/29/expanding-oil-slick-poses-political-peril-obama/

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The rapidly expanding environmental catastrophe caused by the oil spill off the coast of Louisiana is presenting a growing political challenge to the Obama White House, with Mr. Obama and his aides at pains to defend the response and forestall comparisons to the Hurricane Katrina crisis.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jimmytavino 16]

it IS a damn shame that the Loss of Life and now the loss of this drilling platform.. has occured.....

Much worse , we Now find,, is the continued flow of oil... from that well...

Can't these HUGH cost projects, and drilling system, include some sort of "fail Safe" Valve...... right at the point of the oil flow... I.E. on the floor of the GULF.... where the drill hole, begins ....
Such a valve, should be designed, to slam shut,,, in such situations...thereby stopping any uncontrolled flow of oil.....( or to be remotely controlled, to BE slammed shut,, from above )
Is THAT too much to ask??????.... Yes.. i KNOW.. tooo EXPENSIVE!!!!


As for this "being Obamas' problem".....
I would dispute THAT....
there is a BIg difference between a weather induced calamity, ( Katrina ) and a man made Mess.. like this ...

B P . the world wide conglomerate which has been reaping the Benefits, from this "adventure", are the ones who should NOW shoulder the responsibility to Fix things... Not the federal Govt....

it's always... 'The Feds should stay OUT of my business,, and Out of My Pockets,, and Mind their OWN business"... until the time when something Goes WRONG!!!! then all of a sudden it's " WHERE is the Govt.???? to HELP us,, to UNDO what we fucked up... to Make right,, what we made wrong"???/.....


i feel for all those coastal areas in the danger zone... THEY sure didn't deserve this..
British Petroleum owns this issue....... Lock stock and Barrel.... every one of the hundreds of thousands of BARRELS, which are now spewing uncontrolled.....into the Gulf....
i hope that something gets done.... AND Quickly !!!

jmy

[rushmc 23]

Supposedly that valve was installed but is not working

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[tkhayes 348]

I bet Obama would gain a lot of points by making the corporation pay for it or face massive fines, rejection of permits/operations in the USA. and even jail time..... might wake them up that we actually give a shit about something more than profit here.

Mining disasters, Wall street, now oil spills. - I expect a lot of Americans would like to see a lynching or two.....and not of Obama...... of a few select corporate executives who put their profits and bonuses ahead of safety and the country at large.

[rushmc 23]

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I bet Obama would gain a lot of points by making the corporation pay for it or face massive fines, rejection of permits/operations in the USA. and even jail time..... might wake them up that we actually give a shit about something more than profit here.

Mining disasters, Wall street, now oil spills. - I expect a lot of Americans would like to see a lynching or two.....and not of Obama...... of a few select corporate executives who put their profits and bonuses ahead of safety and the country at large.

30% of the country might agree with you
The rest of us think you are fucking nuts

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[regulator 0]

I can see making the corporations pay for not having a back up plan...(I worked in telecom for 15 years and every device we implemented for our company had a backup device...it's called redundancy) But giving jail time for an accident? I don't see that happening.

[Lucky... 0]

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Posted for debate

I find this highly ironic. (and no, I am not intending to slam Obama here)

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/apr/29/expanding-oil-slick-poses-political-peril-obama/

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The rapidly expanding environmental catastrophe caused by the oil spill off the coast of Louisiana is presenting a growing political challenge to the Obama White House, with Mr. Obama and his aides at pains to defend the response and forestall comparisons to the Hurricane Katrina crisis.

Yea, it's a real shame the casualties weren't higher and Obama's response even worse than GWB's with Katrina.

Only you could take a mess like this and politicize it in hopes it = negative press for Obama.

But thx for showing concerns for the people, animals and ecology involved.

[futuredivot 0]

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Yea, it's a real shame the casualties weren't higher and Obama's response even worse than GWB's with Katrina.

You REALLY have a limited relationship with reality, don't you?

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

[davjohns 1]

Katrina was not President Bush's fault. The response was not the overwhelming fix-all that idealists would have liked. But we aren't willing to pay what it would take to have that kind of response on stand by 'just in case'.

This oil spill is not President Obama's fault. The response not being perfect will similarly not be his fault.

Expecting government to be prepared for anything and laying that at the feet of the president invites governmental power over our lives like nothing else. No government can prevent or make these things right. We just have to do the best we can.

Be careful going down this road. Only those who hunger for power will like the destination.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[rehmwa 2]

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Katrina was not President Bush's fault. The response was not the overwhelming fix-all that idealists would have liked. But we aren't willing to pay what it would take to have that kind of response on stand by 'just in case'.

This oil spill is not President Obama's fault. The response not being perfect will similarly not be his fault.

I agree - however, if one blames Bush for Katrina's response, then they are a hypocrit (or disturbingly partisan) if they don't follow suit with the Big O on the oil spill.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[tjm 0]

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Supposedly that valve was installed but is not working

There was a blow preventer just under the sea floor that malfunctioned. It is now only partially closed. The well was fully drilled and they were in the process of permanantly sealing in the well casing to start production when they hit a gas pocket and the well blew out.

When the rig sank, it settled on the sea floor (5000' form the surface) about 1500' away from the well. This is only good because it allows better access to the well head. If the rig would have landed on top, it would be even more devastating to to lack of access.

Living in south Lousiana and working in the oilfield, this suck because of the inpact on future offshore business for my company. Even worse, is the inmpact on the environment, which directly effects the hunting and commercial and recreational fishing and the seafood market. There will be thousands of businesses devasted and most will more than likely have to shut down.

The oil hit our coast this morning. So much for Louisiana being the "Sportsman Paradise."

If you're not living on the edge; you're taking up too much room!

[rhaig 0]

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... Mr. Obama ...

It bugs me when presidents are referred to as Mister in the news. He's not Mr. Obama, his title is President and he should referred to using that title. I don't care who doesn't like him, or who didn't vote for him. The president deserves the respect of the use of the title.

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Rob

[Bolas 5]

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there is a BIg difference between a weather induced calamity, ( Katrina ) and a man made Mess.. like this ...

One could argue that the majority of the devestation in the aftermath of Katrina was due "a man made mess", the levee system that wasn't adequately maintained.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[rhaig 0]

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I bet Obama would gain a lot of points by making the corporation pay for it or face massive fines, rejection of permits/operations in the USA. and even jail time..... might wake them up that we actually give a shit about something more than profit here.

Mining disasters, Wall street, now oil spills. - I expect a lot of Americans would like to see a lynching or two.....and not of Obama...... of a few select corporate executives who put their profits and bonuses ahead of safety and the country at large.

corporatism abounds.

I'll buy you a beer if BP ends up paying fines.

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Rob

[Bolas 5]

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I bet Obama would gain a lot of points by making the corporation pay for it or face massive fines, rejection of permits/operations in the USA. and even jail time..... might wake them up that we actually give a shit about something more than profit here.

Mining disasters, Wall street, now oil spills. - I expect a lot of Americans would like to see a lynching or two.....and not of Obama...... of a few select corporate executives who put their profits and bonuses ahead of safety and the country at large.

I agree, The corporations that make the mess should be responsible for not only cleaning it up but any damages they cause, not the government. Any assistance offered by the government to help should be paid back in full.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[rehmwa 2]

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The president deserves the respect of the use of the title.

you mean like "Odummy" (the judges will also accept "Obumble") or "Shrub" or "Ronnie Raygun" or "Clintwipe"?

like those respectful titles?

or the generics "Asswipe", "Idiot", "clueless wad", "traitor" used over the decades etc etc etc


Seems to me, that "Mr." is pretty respectful

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[Bolas 5]

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The president deserves the respect of the use of the title.

you mean like "Odummy" (the judges will also accept "Obumble") or "Shrub" or "Ronnie Raygun" or "Clintwipe"?

like those respectful titles?

My fav was "Turd in chief" when referring to GWB.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[rehmwa 2]

Exactly.

"Mr." seems to me, to be an attempt to be respectful to the person while expressing displeasure with their policies.

Or a means of stating that the person is not making decisions in a presidential manner without resorting to juvenile name calling we've seen by some groups.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[rushmc 23]

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... Mr. Obama ...

It bugs me when presidents are referred to as Mister in the news. He's not Mr. Obama, his title is President and he should referred to using that title. I don't care who doesn't like him, or who didn't vote for him. The president deserves the respect of the use of the title.

Mr or President are ok with me
Neither was used for Bush here for most of his terms by those left leaning

Did you complain about it then?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Supposedly that valve was installed but is not working

There was a blow preventer just under the sea floor that malfunctioned. It is now only partially closed. The well was fully drilled and they were in the process of permanantly sealing in the well casing to start production when they hit a gas pocket and the well blew out.

When the rig sank, it settled on the sea floor (5000' form the surface) about 1500' away from the well. This is only good because it allows better access to the well head. If the rig would have landed on top, it would be even more devastating to to lack of access.

Living in south Lousiana and working in the oilfield, this suck because of the inpact on future offshore business for my company. Even worse, is the inmpact on the environment, which directly effects the hunting and commercial and recreational fishing and the seafood market. There will be thousands of businesses devasted and most will more than likely have to shut down.

The oil hit our coast this morning. So much for Louisiana being the "Sportsman Paradise."

Thanks for the info
and yes
It does really suck but
it does not make a company evil as many would do here

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rhaig 0]

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/apr/29/expanding-oil-slick-poses-political-peril-obama/

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... Mr. Obama ...

It bugs me when presidents are referred to as Mister in the news. He's not Mr. Obama, his title is President and he should referred to using that title. I don't care who doesn't like him, or who didn't vote for him. The president deserves the respect of the use of the title.

Mr or President are ok with me
Neither was used for Bush here for most of his terms by those left leaning

Did you complain about it then?

not here. elsewhere yes. bugged me then too. didn't want to get into a pissing match with Lucky about it.

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Rob

[rushmc 23]

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/apr/29/expanding-oil-slick-poses-political-peril-obama/

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... Mr. Obama ...

It bugs me when presidents are referred to as Mister in the news. He's not Mr. Obama, his title is President and he should referred to using that title. I don't care who doesn't like him, or who didn't vote for him. The president deserves the respect of the use of the title.

Mr or President are ok with me
Neither was used for Bush here for most of his terms by those left leaning

Did you complain about it then?

not here. elsewhere yes. bugged me then too. didn't want to get into a pissing match with Lucky about it.

It bugged me in the news too
I agree
The president should get the respect of the office but
I am ok with Mr or President

Just me I guess

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,587]

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It does really suck but
it does not make a company evil as many would do here

Just as luck favors the well-prepared, accidents happen less often, or tend to be less dire, for the companies with safe practices. Because they have reduced the opportunity for problems, and are prepared to react quickly and more likely right when they happen.

So once we have an opportunity to see that it'll be closer to time to cast stones or sympathize.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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30% of the country might agree with you
The rest of us think you are fucking nuts

So, in your first post you are asking for debate, then when you get it you post this?

Do you know what debate means?

[rushmc 23]

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It does really suck but
it does not make a company evil as many would do here

Just as luck favors the well-prepared, accidents happen less often, or tend to be less dire, for the companies with safe practices. Because they have reduced the opportunity for problems, and are prepared to react quickly and more likely right when they happen.

So once we have an opportunity to see that it'll be closer to time to cast stones or sympathize.

Wendy P.

Agreed
That is not what has been posted here in many cased today however, is it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln