Immigration Advocates Rising Up in Anger Across the Nation Over New Arizona Law

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A change in the law already:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-arizona-immigration-20100501,0,2712336.story

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A change in the law already:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-arizona-immigration-20100501,0,2712336.story

Ah just like the airports. For every x suspicious looking people you select for asking to see ID, you need to include 1 white grandma.

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The new law says that law enforcement must do their jobs. If they have reasonable suspicion of a crime, they must ask questions. That's pretty much it.

I'm getting tired of everyone telling lies about what the law says. Almost all of them have failed to look for facts. Pure emotional drivel.

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The new law says that law enforcement must do their jobs. If they have reasonable suspicion of a crime, they must ask questions. That's pretty much it.

I'm getting tired of everyone telling lies about what the law says. Almost all of them have failed to look for facts. Pure emotional drivel.

True. Since the true aim of any immigration reform work by the progressives is an amnesty bill, this AZ law must be demonized.

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a. I'm glad they changed it. The thing to do now is to see:
- if there is an increase over the next 6 months in arrests of Hispanics over other ethnic groups,
- what percentage of that increase is illegal aliens

That'll be at least an initial determinant of whether the law is used for profiling.

And no, not every progressive approach to illegal aliens has to do with amnesty. There is that whole "make it painful for employers to employ them" thing. But of course, that'll make lawn care and veggies at Wal-mart more expensive .

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And no, not every progressive approach to illegal aliens has to do with amnesty. There is that whole "make it painful for employers to employ them" thing. .

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If only our elected officials in DC would address the issue. Seems there's too much going on with AGW right now

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Is there a "Latinos for immigration reform" group yet. There has to be Latinos out there who are resentful of those who come in illegally and cause problems for those who came the hard way

Interesting angle
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/04/30/arizona.hispanics.immigration/?hpt=C1

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"There used to be a level of dignity and self-respect. They were hard-working people who wanted to contribute to American society because it was better than where they came from," says Gaines, a petite woman in her 70s. "But our government has been giving them handouts for so long that now they expect them."

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Is there a "Latinos for immigration reform" group yet. There has to be Latinos out there who are resentful of those who come in illegally and cause problems for those who came the hard way

Interesting angle
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/04/30/arizona.hispanics.immigration/?hpt=C1

edited to add this quote from the linked news story
"There used to be a level of dignity and self-respect. They were hard-working people who wanted to contribute to American society because it was better than where they came from," says Gaines, a petite woman in her 70s. "But our government has been giving them handouts for so long that now they expect them."

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Is there a "Latinos for immigration reform" group yet. There has to be Latinos out there who are resentful of those who come in illegally and cause problems for those who came the hard way

Interesting angle
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/04/30/arizona.hispanics.immigration/?hpt=C1

edited to add this quote from the linked news story
"There used to be a level of dignity and self-respect. They were hard-working people who wanted to contribute to American society because it was better than where they came from," says Gaines, a petite woman in her 70s. "But our government has been giving them handouts for so long that now they expect them."

she's what is known as a 'bigot'

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that'll make lawn care and veggies at Wal-mart more expensive

Yes, they would get more expensive, and they definitely should.

The reason why they are willing to do crappy jobs for so little money is because their illegal status makes it possible to abuse them. To want it to continue is to condemn a large group of people to be the permanent, abused underclass with no recourse for the sake of cheaper food and services. Not a good moral situation, I think.

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Is there a "Latinos for immigration reform" group yet. There has to be Latinos out there who are resentful of those who come in illegally and cause problems for those who came the hard way

Interesting angle
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/04/30/arizona.hispanics.immigration/?hpt=C1

edited to add this quote from the linked news story
"There used to be a level of dignity and self-respect. They were hard-working people who wanted to contribute to American society because it was better than where they came from," says Gaines, a petite woman in her 70s. "But our government has been giving them handouts for so long that now they expect them."

Well the obviously solution is to just increase the size of those handouts. That'll fix it.

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Oh, I agree. But there seem to be an awful lot of people who buy a lot almost entirely based on price, and it'll hurt them.

Americans are used to having an awful lot of stuff and services, very inexpensively. If we want to reduce debt and reduce illegal immigration, we might have to return to what used to be a middle-class existence, where:
- kids had one nice outfit, brougth their lunches, didn't get cars, shared bedrooms, took hand-me-downs, and played outdoors with other kids
- telephones sat on one table in the house
- cooking happened using food at home
- many families only had one car
- there was one TV with an antenna in the family room (or living room)
- lawns were mowed by family members of the people living there

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she's what is known as a 'bigot'

So the legal latino lady lady is a bigot because she doesn't want illegal latinos abusing the system? Your statement is what's known as fucking idiotic and slapping an emoticon at the end doesn't change that.

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she's what is known as a 'bigot'

So the legal latino lady lady is a bigot because she doesn't want illegal latinos abusing the system? Your statement is what's known as fucking idiotic and slapping an emoticon at the end doesn't change that.

she's still a bigot

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she's what is known as a 'bigot'

So the legal latino lady lady is a bigot because she doesn't want illegal latinos abusing the system? Your statement is what's known as fucking idiotic and slapping an emoticon at the end doesn't change that.

she's still a bigot

So it's now bigotted to want all people to respect the laws and for those laws to be enforeced?

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she's what is known as a 'bigot'

So the legal latino lady lady is a bigot because she doesn't want illegal latinos abusing the system? Your statement is what's known as fucking idiotic and slapping an emoticon at the end doesn't change that.

You obviously didn't get the memo which states that this huge block of potential (d) voters should not be harassed until after the stimulus funds have been appropriated to battleground areas and the amnesty bill has been passed.

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she's what is known as a 'bigot'

So the legal latino lady lady is a bigot because she doesn't want illegal latinos abusing the system? Your statement is what's known as fucking idiotic and slapping an emoticon at the end doesn't change that.

she's still a bigot

So it's now bigotted to want all people to respect the laws and for those laws to be enforeced?

she's a bigot because she's calling people scroungers

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In Los Angeles, Cox told AlterNet in a phone interview, "they decided that if you have police officers who are enforcing immigration laws, then what happens is that you cut off that voluntary flow of information that is essential for law enforcement in a free society."

"Say a woman has been raped," he explains. "Is she going to come forward and say, 'Yes, I've been raped,' if she will then get deported for reporting her victimization?" Fear of deportation would not only mean her rapist could get away with his crime, but would be free to go on and victimize someone else. "There is a value to society in having her come forward," Cox says.

Dr. Richard Weinblatt, a former police chief and deputy sheriff who once worked on the border in New Mexico, agrees. Like Cox, he is adamantly opposed to Arizona's new law, for numerous reasons, not the least of which is that it will prove to be counterproductive for police. "[As] somebody who's had his boots in the dirt doing border policing as a local deputy sheriff," he tells me, "you spend so much time trying to get the most vulnerable of our society, particularly women and children who are in pretty brutal domestic violence situations, to trust you -- and you can barely get them to do that. And now with this -- forget it. You've got almost no chance. It disenfranchises them even more."

http://www.alternet.org/rights/146677/why_law_enforcement_officials_should_hate_arizona%27s_racist_new_law

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In Los Angeles, Cox told AlterNet in a phone interview, "they decided that if you have police officers who are enforcing immigration laws, then what happens is that you cut off that voluntary flow of information that is essential for law enforcement in a free society."

"Say a woman has been raped," he explains. "Is she going to come forward and say, 'Yes, I've been raped,' if she will then get deported for reporting her victimization?" Fear of deportation would not only mean her rapist could get away with his crime, but would be free to go on and victimize someone else. "There is a value to society in having her come forward," Cox says.

Dr. Richard Weinblatt, a former police chief and deputy sheriff who once worked on the border in New Mexico, agrees. Like Cox, he is adamantly opposed to Arizona's new law, for numerous reasons, not the least of which is that it will prove to be counterproductive for police. "[As] somebody who's had his boots in the dirt doing border policing as a local deputy sheriff," he tells me, "you spend so much time trying to get the most vulnerable of our society, particularly women and children who are in pretty brutal domestic violence situations, to trust you -- and you can barely get them to do that. And now with this -- forget it. You've got almost no chance. It disenfranchises them even more."

http://www.alternet.org/rights/146677/why_law_enforcement_officials_should_hate_arizona%27s_racist_new_law

So what they are saying is AZ is gonna be a pretty crappy place to live if you're there illegally.

Hmm...I wonder if that's what they....

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Greg Palast speculates that SB 1070 is a ploy to tamp down Democratic-leaning minority voters, and in fact there is a potent history on this point that includes our current Governor when she was Secretary of State. As Palast cogently observes, the law suits the interests of the Republicans in power “because the vast majority of perfectly legal voters and residents who lack ID sufficient for [them] are citizens of color, citizens of poverty.” Thus, part of the impetus for SB 1070, as Palast concludes, is to dissuade legal immigrants from participating electorally by creating a climate of intimidation. The roots of this sort of nefarious business run deep here, including longstanding allegations that prominent Arizona Republicans such as former Supreme Court Chief Justice William Rehnquist have orchestrated “ballot security” actions “that swept through polling places in minority-dominated districts to challenge the right of African Americans and Latinos to vote.”

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/04/30-11

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When in Mexico City a few years ago... my buddy and I were standing in a market square when some policia came up to us and asked us for our ID's/passports. RACISM!!!!!

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Arizona's new immigration law violates an international anti-racism treaty that is binding on all government officials in the United States, Human Rights Watch said today.

Key provisions of the "Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods Act," enacted by Arizona on April 23, 2010, conflict with the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, which the United States ratified in 1994, Human Rights Watch said.

"LWL - living while Latino - has become hazardous in Arizona," said Alison Parker, US director at Human Rights Watch. "Arizona's governor and law enforcement officials should know that with this law, they are violating an international treaty."

Under the new law, police officers will be empowered to stop and interrogate any person whom they "reasonably suspect" might be in the United States illegally. The law includes provisions allowing Arizona residents who believe the local police are not enforcing the law vigorously enough to sue a city or town. As a result, police officers will be under pressure to make an arrest, even when in doubt, rather than risk a lawsuit, resulting in wrongful arrests and unfair enforcement, Human Rights Watch said.

http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2010/04/30-16

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Under the new law, police officers will be empowered to stop and interrogate any person whom they "reasonably suspect" might be in the United States illegally

Agree or disagree with the new law but don't make it into something it is not. Law enforcment cannot (legally) stop you for just looking brown, they must first have reasonable cause that you committed a crime.( other than immigration status) To think that a law, that gave the police the power to stop anyone, for anything is just silly. Such a law would never be constitutional and that is why Arizona made sure to put into the law when and how people can be questioned so it has a chance to stand up in court.

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When in Mexico City a few years ago... my buddy and I were standing in a market square when some policia came up to us and asked us for our ID's/passports. RACISM!!!!!

Mexican police are 101% corrupt, and they were looking for an excuse to shake you down. Incidentally, what provisions of the United States Constitution did they violate?

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Law enforcment cannot (legally) stop you for just looking brown, they must first have reasonable cause that you committed a crime.

You clearly have no idea how naive a statement that is. Please see my post #33 above.

As I noted in the other AZ thread, I've worked in and around criminal justice in multiple jurisdictions for over 30 years. It's an open secret that drivers get stopped by police for "DWB" violations - "Driving While Black". Except in the southern border states, especially AZ now, it's "Driving While Brown".