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Way to not answer the question



Oh, I am sorry. I thought this was obvious to all, but obviously I am wrong. maybe this works different in the US, but in Canada motorcycles cannot be sold if they do not adhere to all applicable laws.

As such, when the motorcycle is stock and unaltered, this means it (by definition) adheres to the laws.

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I'll bet you were nice and respectful to the duty officer too .



I was, even though they obviously had no respect for me.

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Way to not answer the question



Oh, I am sorry. I thought this was obvious to all, but obviously I am wrong. maybe this works different in the US, but in Canada motorcycles cannot be sold if they do not adhere to all applicable laws.

As such, when the motorcycle is stock and unaltered, this means it (by definition) adheres to the laws.

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I'll bet you were nice and respectful to the duty officer too .



I was, even though they obviously had no respect for me.



Help me understand the scenario here. You're riding along minding your own business and a cop pulls you over for your exhaust being too loud?
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can't assume it - I got a ticket for too dark window tint on my truck.

factory installed tint, from a factory located in my state...

it came off pretty easy, I gave the tint film (what was left) to the court officer - they cancelled the ticket because I fixed the problem - I'm a felon and a convict :D


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I used to think most cops were assholes but I lost track of the good/bad count a while back when I quit doing stupid shit.



:D:D - funny how when you stop doing stupid shit the cops leave you alone


I noticed that myself quite a long time ago. Once I stopped driving like an ass and started actually following the traffic laws I stopped getting pulled over. I honestly can't remember when my last ticket was. 20 years ago, maybe?
I also have 0 respect for people who refer to cops as "pigs".
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think you have the authority to do whatever you please. Thank for running over my 4 yr. old niece and slinging her over your unmarked car as she got off her church schoolbus. YOU, hauling as thru the neighborhood w/ no lights or siren. Thanks for about running me over as I came back walking across the street picking up my mail (10 mins. ago). Flying around the corner (blind) No light, siren. Fuck all you assholes>:(



A 4 year old girl, leaving the bus by herself ....And after that, anyhow, means she must have been crossing the street - alone! Alone? Why? She left the bus by herself, crossed the street by herself (in front or behind the bus??), with 4 yrs? Where were the parents?? A baby sitter? A teacher?

Why (if !) was your 4 y/o niece alone??

Weird story. :S

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think you have the authority to do whatever you please. Thank for running over my 4 yr. old niece and slinging her over your unmarked car as she got off her church schoolbus. YOU, hauling as thru the neighborhood w/ no lights or siren. Thanks for about running me over as I came back walking across the street picking up my mail (10 mins. ago). Flying around the corner (blind) No light, siren. Fuck all you assholes>:(



A 4 year old girl, leaving the bus by herself ....And after that, anyhow, means she must have been crossing the street - alone! Alone? Why? She left the bus by herself, crossed the street by herself (in front or behind the bus??), with 4 yrs? Where were the parents?? A baby sitter? A teacher?

Why (if !) was your 4 y/o niece alone??

Weird story. :S


Lots of posts here since the OP made that claim. Still no responce to the question of when and where this happened. troll?
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...I kinda LIKE the idea of the police stopping someone walking country roads late at night...it's not normal...
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Just because something is "not normal' doesn't justify police intrusion. This is the United States of America. We don't "show our papers" just because we're doing something "unusual."

If we're not committing a violation we should not have to answer to the cops. Walking late at night is not a crime. Therefore, they have no business demanding to see ID.



...I've never been arrested for sleeping in my car but I have been woken up and asked to identify myself, no doubt they were just trying to ascertain if I was impaired and sleeping it off...that's a GOOD thing!...
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WHY? What's wrong with "sleeping it off?" Would they prefer you drive home drunk? Sadly, if you're impaired the BEST thing you can do is drive home. Otherwise, you get hassled.


...you seem to be seeing proactive enforcement as an infringement of your rights?
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BINGO. You nailed it. It IS an infringement. This was universally understood 30 years ago. If the cop just stops briefly to ask if I need help, fine. But he has no right to demand ID. Even if I'm "impaired." As long as I'm not driving there's no threat to public safety, therefore, it's not a police matter.



And sorry to tell ya this but, throwing a cup of coffee across the room is an indicator of being out of control...
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No. "Out of control" means you just beat the shit out of her. (Depending on the circumstance, of course.) If it's not illegal to throw something when you're laughing and in a good mood, it should not be a crime to do it when you're angry.

Cheers,
Jon

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And unless the "spanking" was frightful. Some people don't think a spanking is worthwhile if it doesn't leave bruises.

Wendy P.



Agreed. LEO's are no longer permitted to use judgement. If the call fell under the guise of child abuse they have no other alternative.


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Two problems here. 1) The left-wing definition of spanking as "abuse," and 2) the willingness of cops to make an arrest in such a situation regardless of "department policy." The cop should have had the guts to refuse to make an arrest because it was not necessary, then look his supervisor in the eye and say "No, this is not why I became a cop."

Otherwise he's no different than those cheerful people in Europe 70-odd years ago who may not have agreed with the policy but, nevertheless, helped heard people into boxcars.

Cheers,
Jon

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...I kinda LIKE the idea of the police stopping someone walking country roads late at night...it's not normal...
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Just because something is "not normal' doesn't justify police intrusion. This is the United States of America. We don't "show our papers" just because we're doing something "unusual."

If we're not committing a violation we should not have to answer to the cops. Walking late at night is not a crime. Therefore, they have no business demanding to see ID.



...I've never been arrested for sleeping in my car but I have been woken up and asked to identify myself, no doubt they were just trying to ascertain if I was impaired and sleeping it off...that's a GOOD thing!...
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WHY? What's wrong with "sleeping it off?" Would they prefer you drive home drunk? Sadly, if you're impaired the BEST thing you can do is drive home. Otherwise, you get hassled.


...you seem to be seeing proactive enforcement as an infringement of your rights?
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BINGO. You nailed it. It IS an infringement. This was universally understood 30 years ago. If the cop just stops briefly to ask if I need help, fine. But he has no right to demand ID. Even if I'm "impaired." As long as I'm not driving there's no threat to public safety, therefore, it's not a police matter.



And sorry to tell ya this but, throwing a cup of coffee across the room is an indicator of being out of control...
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No. "Out of control" means you just beat the shit out of her. (Depending on the circumstance, of course.) If it's not illegal to throw something when you're laughing and in a good mood, it should not be a crime to do it when you're angry.

Cheers,
Jon




Here's the difference...

There is church in my community still standing because at 3am the police stopped and asked a couple people who they were and what they were doing...prevented an arson.

Because I HAVE been hit head-on by an impaired driver, I consider it a service that someone is checking drivers that may not be doing anything 'wrong' but are not acting 'normal'.

I don't mind taking off my shoes and answering a few questions now & then, ...because someone appearing to not be doin' anything wrong, dropped a couple building in New York City.

It's a very different world we live in these days...

Sure I would rather NOT have to lock my doors and set an alarm in my home.
I'd prefer not ever even having to consider if it's prudent to have a firearm for defense.
I don't like the fact that I have to consider where in town I should & shouldn't drive through.

I'm not happy knowing freedoms I enjoyed 30years ago are not the same, I'm even LESS pleased when someone steals my things, sells my kid drugs, drives around drunk and uninsured...

But these type of things are the reality of the day, so I use my best judgement and get on with my life.

I, like a couple other posters here have come to realize that since I quit having anything to worry about regarding breaking the law...I quit worrying about getting CAUGHT.


And again, yes there IS something wrong with throwing things in anger...It's a juvenile response to an emotional situation and clearly demonstrates a lack of discipline and control.

It's a physical response either showing an intellectual ineptitude toward handling frustration, OR it's meant as a method of intimidation.

Both are definite red flags, and yes if ya throw a cup in 'anger' you show a tendency toward violence & you should get hooked up & hauled off.

Who's to say next time it won't be a fist you throw, or a gun you grab.

I don't know if it's you, but the person you describe has issues.










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I haven't read the entire thread drift here, but my two cents.

The days of "sleeping it off" in your car is a thing of the past, due to the wonderful world of civil liability. If the officer lets a person stay in control of a vehicle, even if they are "sleeping it off" and that person leaves and gets into an accident, guess who is liable? We've taken keys from guys "sleeping it off", when they didn't get them back when they wanted to, a formal complaint was generated. The dumbasses would say "if I was impaired, then why wasn't I arrested". When in fact they begged for a break when they were impaired, the officer took the keys, got busy, and could'nt return them when the dumbass wanted them back.
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A agree with everything you said, but throwing a cup in anger IS NOT something you should be arrested for. That is fucking insane.

~I agree, however if you continue to display that type of behaviour in front of the police you will most likely be taken away...again a liability issue.



"Those who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Ben Franklin

~I agree, back in Franklin's day you were free have to a military weapon to defend yourself and your country.

You were free to starve to death if you were too lazy or stupid to work...free to suffer and die of disease if you choose to live an unhealthy lifestyle and not set anything aside for your medical care.

You were free to school YOUR children in they way you saw fit...

If you owned a business you were free to hire the best person for the job without consideration of quotas...

On & on & on...

Our government has been stealing our liberty and promising security for a lot longer than the past 30 years.

The thing about liberty is it requires personal responsibility for it to succeed, it's a proportional measure.

The less we are willing to accept personal responsibility for our own life, the less personal liberty we deserve.











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"Those who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Ben Franklin



The key word in that quote is temporary.
We all give up some liberties for some measure of permanent safety. There is no way around it.
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"Those who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Ben Franklin



The key word in that quote is temporary.
We all give up some liberties for some measure of permanent safety. There is no way around it.






"Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power." ~Ben Franklin

Unfortunately we've developed a pattern of turning a blind eye, and allowing our governing officals to do both.


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...I'm not happy knowing freedoms I enjoyed 30years ago are not the same, I'm even LESS pleased when someone steals my things, sells my kid drugs, drives around drunk and uninsured...
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These things have always been illegal. This does not justify stopping people and demanding ID in the absence of any evidence of criminal activity.



...And again, yes there IS something wrong with throwing things in anger...It's a juvenile response to an emotional situation and clearly demonstrates a lack of discipline and control...
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Didn't say it wasn't wrong. But it does not justify police intrusion or arrest.

If something is perfectly legal to do when you're in a good mood it should not be a crime to do it when you're angry. By criminalizing various actions that might help vent some of the frustration you exacerbate the problem.

I've been in an abusive marriage for 19 years. This has included a steady diet of sarcasm, being shouted at, and physical abuse on her part. So far I have not punched her out, although I did once beat the crap out of a chair. No, it wasn't a mature response but when placed in context I have demonstrated amazing restraint. There was nothing about this incident that would have justified my arrest. The whole purpose of these stupid "family violence" laws was to prevent people from being hurt. Nobody got hurt. No fair changing the rules & expanding the definition of "violence" to include behavior that does not cause harm to anybody.

If you're saying you would NEVER, under any circumstances, react no matter how much provocation you endured you are made of stronger stuff than are most flawed humans. I'll bet if I mistreated you repeatedly & deliberately you'd eventually punch me out no matter how much patience & restraint you showed at the beginning.

The main flaw in this argument is the attempt to use law to "prevent" bad things from happening. In a free society, we use law to set boundaries and punish violations. When we attempt to "prevent" bad things from happening we erode freedom, while still not eleiminating crime, accidents, & tragedies from the human experience.

A good skydiving analogy is the AAD issue. A handful of people fail to pull & go in, therefore many DZ's require AADs, which places an enormous burden on jumpers and prices the sport out of reach of many who might otherwise become skydivers. We have lost a measure of freedom while still not eliminating risk from the sport.

Cheers,
Jon

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If you're saying you would NEVER, under any circumstances, react no matter how much provocation you endured you are made of stronger stuff than are most flawed humans. I'll bet if I mistreated you repeatedly & deliberately you'd eventually punch me out no matter how much patience & restraint you showed at the beginning.




d00d...1st I'm really sorry you find yourself in an abusive marriage and that it's gone on so long.

I can't imagine the frustration you gotta endure.


And to answer ya, no I'm NOT easily provoked. I never have & never will lay a hand on a woman in anger...if an argument gets elevated to the point of silly irrationality I just walk away until things cool down.

I believe you can argue without anger, when you get too emotional you get irrational, when you get irrational you've lost the argument.

Some people can do that, some can't, it's got a lot to do with self esteem and respect for the other person.

I understand if you're getting verbally hammered all the time by the spouse it's near impossible to built up either.

I don't know your situation, I do know that when some people say just 'leave' or 'end it', that's not always practical or possible...but perhaps some serious counseling may help you guys communicate better.

If you've been as you say, living with abuse for 19 years you owe it to yourself to change something...surely you remember what it was like not to live your life being 'on guard' for a shit storm every minute.

You are cheating yourself out of peace...we only have a short time on this rock and time is the most precious thing there is, don't waste it being unhappy!

Bustin' up the china, though dramatic doesn't help the root cause of your frustration...and gets expensive after a while.;)










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LOL, damn Bill bands me for a week and it was a troll,,,,,jeez I got to get back on my med's :P

Neat to see that it appears most the posters agree than most cops are trying to do a good job, but that there can be a few bad ones.

About three just think all cops are bad....

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