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What happens when the US fails under the load of spending 8 times that of the #2 in military budget? Oh, I see we are realizing that.

Cut the shit.

Dubya and the GOP Congress ran the biggest deficits in history. Then it was Dubya and the Dem Congress - even bigger deficits.

Now it's a Dem Congress and a Dem POTUS who have apparently decided, "fuck Bush. We can run way bigger deficits that him. A trillion per year? Ha! Just wait ten years!!!"

Yeah. Lucky. We are collapsing under the weight of military spending. It has nothing to do with the other 80 percent of the budget. Medicare and Social Security are the big dogs and it isn't even close.

Check out Greece. Portugal. Belgium might be hosed, too.

Yeah. Excessive military spending. Yeah, it is excessive.

But cut the shit. It's like telling the obese guy he's collapsing under all the Hawaiian Punch. The problem is far more systemic, and your Democrat idols are overdoi,g it, too.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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But the term, "fluctuates" tends to be more about wide variances, unless you consider 7 and 20 point days a fluctuation

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There goes lucky doing his usual thing...making up definitions to fit his own needs.
Backpedaling at it's best.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fluctuates

Not sure what language you're speaking, I like English.

fluc·tu·ate (flkch-t)
v. fluc·tu·at·ed, fluc·tu·at·ing, fluc·tu·ates
v.intr.
1. To vary irregularly. See Synonyms at swing.
2. To rise and fall in or as if in waves; undulate.

fluctuate [ˈflʌktjʊˌeɪt]
vb
1. to change or cause to change position constantly; be or make unstable; waver or vary
2. (intr) to rise and fall like a wave; undulate

Quite obviosly a fluctuation is more of a wide swing, instability, etc...... but that's under the rules of English.

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You either, keep building trailers pretending to know acft construction.

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Ok, I will continue to design an occasional trailer. It is, obviously, something much too difficult for you to handle or you wouldn't keep asking me to do it for you.

Yea, a box with wheels; how tricky

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And I do know aircraft construction. Far more than you realize.

Uh, yea. After failing to know what, "swell and draw" means in regard to rivets, you said, "the test is over."

I would never try to convine someone that has done an occupation all his life that I know more than him, but hey, that's just the way I roll.

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2. To rise and fall in or as if in waves; undulate.
1. to change or cause to change position constantly; be or make unstable; waver or vary
2. (intr) to rise and fall like a wave; undulate

Thank you for making my case.

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Yea, a box with wheels; how tricky

That statement proves two very important points.
1: You have no idea as to the range of complexity there is in something as seemingly simple as a trailer. They can range from a simple beam tongue pulling a single axle with no suspension to something costing millions of dollars to construct.
2: You are incapable of designing and/or building even the simplist. If you could you would not be continually asking me to do it for you.

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Uh, yea. After failing to know what, "swell and draw" means in regard to rivets, you said, "the test is over."
I would never try to convine someone that has done an occupation all his life that I know more than him, but hey, that's just the way I roll.

You asked for a fastening method that uses swell and draw, I gave you one. Not my problem if you do not realize there is more than one method that uses that phrase. There are actually four that I know of, and only two concern rivets.
Doing something your whole life does not mean you are knowledgable, skilled, or qualified. You are proof of that.

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Cut the shit.

You're not an officer in the military anymore.

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Dubya and the GOP Congress ran the biggest deficits in history. Then it was Dubya and the Dem Congress - even bigger deficits.

Oh, I see, the 07-09 congress, which has the House Dem-controlled and Senate tied, Cheney broke 8 ties, 11th most of 47 VP's, and you say the Senate was Dem-controlled, counselor? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tie-breaking_votes_cast_by_Vice_Presidents_of_the_United_States

Not to mention the mess was made, the house mess peaked in late 2006, so just as Obama inherited the huge mess, the Jan 07 senate got to enjoy the start of that mess and unfucking it with a turd in place to veto all kinds of shit. Turd in chief vertoed 1 bill in 5.5 years, then vetoed 11 more as the Dems took the House and tied the Senate. In fact, President Turd had 4 of the last 11 vetoes overriden, a 36% rate after the Dems took the House and tied the Senate (33% over all). Only 2 presidents had a higher rate of overrides, Pierce and Andrew Johnson; worst president and 1st to be impeached. So you say the Dems didn't do anything positive; they did all they could to shut down your guy by forcing 11 vetoes and overriding 4 of them. All this after inheriting a market about to crash. Counselor, you lost this one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes

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Now it's a Dem Congress and a Dem POTUS who have apparently decided, "fuck Bush. We can run way bigger deficits that him. A trillion per year? Ha! Just wait ten years!!!"

And that debt is huge, why? Could it be mostly due to hammered receipts from your guy? http://www.heritage.org/budgetchartbook/growth-federal-spending-revenue

As the Heritage FOundation graph clearly shows, the spending was set vertical up, the revenues set vertically down and all Obama has done is reverse the revenues and shade off the spending. This graph is from the CBO posted by your rag. So tell me what Obama is doing wrong? He's cutting spending and increasing revenues; I guess that's a bad thing for Republicans like you, otherwise you would approve.

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Yeah. Lucky. We are collapsing under the weight of military spending. It has nothing to do with the other 80 percent of the budget. Medicare and Social Security are the big dogs and it isn't even close.

Yea, make sure and leave military pensions out and declare it under entitlement or other spending. Since GHWB and Clinton cut spending and very slightly incr taxes and that fixed everything, I see your point . As everyone has said, CUT WHAT YOU THINK IS WASTE, KEEP PILING ON WHAT YOU THINK IS NECCESSARY; you aren't about spending cuts, you are about SOCIAL spending cuts.

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Check out Greece. Portugal. Belgium might be hosed, too.

Your point? Saying European Socialism is not a fiscally successful venture? Look at how great American Capitalism is by GDP: http://www.visualeconomics.com/gdp-vs-national-debt-by-country/ Since our GDP has grown in the last year, we have moved down in the debtor nation by GDP ranking.

By gross debt we are by far the largest.

Or by president: [/url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms[url]

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Yeah. Excessive military spending. Yeah, it is excessive.

4% of the world's population and we match the rest of the world $ for $; yea, that's sick.

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But cut the shit. It's like telling the obese guy he's collapsing under all the Hawaiian Punch. The problem is far more systemic, and your Democrat idols are overdoi,g it, too.

Unlike your Republican idols? And no, the debt was EXTREMELY manageable until that fascist pig came along. Then GHWB and mostly Clinton stopped teh bleeding; most of the mess occurred under Reagan and GWB.

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Thank you for making my case.

Only a true syock market guru would think months of constant, slow growth followed by 1 day of a 200-point drop would be considered: be or make unstable; or to rise and fall like a wave; undulate.

BRILLAINT.

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1: You have no idea as to the range of complexity there is in something as seemingly simple as a trailer. They can range from a simple beam tongue pulling a single axle with no suspension to something costing millions of dollars to construct.

Sure I do, the CG, track and all that are incorporated. SOme trailers have a convex to carry the load so that the trailer bed levels with a load. But am I an expert? No way and I would never challenge a person who was, a person who has spent years designing and building them. That would be assinine and pathetic for me to challenge a person like that, I stick to my business and do it well.

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2: You are incapable of designing and/or building even the simplist. If you could you would not be continually asking me to do it for you.

No, I have enclosed a 16 ft trailer beefore and I could build one, but why not let people do that who have done it all their lives, kinda like acft, people come to me to have their acft fixed, as that is my speciality. Every now and then I get a guy thinking he knows more after barely knowing a thing; makes my day .

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You asked for a fastening method that uses swell and draw, I gave you one. Not my problem if you do not realize there is more than one method that uses that phrase.

Come to my repair station with that lingo we run you out the door: Hey chief, I think I'll go and swell and draw the cherry rivet up there.... . Call the contratc house and geet this idiot out of here is what happens next.

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There are actually four that I know of, and only two concern rivets.
Doing something your whole life does not mean you are knowledgable, skilled, or qualified. You are proof of that

You've never seen my work and you make a ridiculous assertion like that? Again, you make wild assertions over things for which you don't know. I have sent pics of wing extensions, cuffs, etc to a member here. Top notch work, only rub is I take too long as I'm a perfectionist.

BTW, I don't need to see a pic of a box on wheels.

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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fluctuates


fluc·tu·ate (flkch-t)
v. fluc·tu·at·ed, fluc·tu·at·ing, fluc·tu·ates
v.intr.
1. To vary irregularly. See Synonyms at swing.
2. To rise and fall in or as if in waves; undulate.

fluctuate [ˈflʌktjʊˌeɪt]
vb
1. to change or cause to change position constantly; be or make unstable; waver or vary
2. (intr) to rise and fall like a wave; undulate

Quite obviosly a fluctuation is more of a wide swing, instability, etc...... but that's under the rules of English.

please point out to me where in those definitions it alludes to amplitude of change. I see many words describing modalities of change, "waver", "vary", "rise and fall"

I do not however, see anything alluding to the amplitude of that change.

Just admit you failed to see the sarcasm and let it go.

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Cut the shit.

You're not an officer in the military anymore.

No. Therefore I need not be a gentleman. Hey, Max. Shine my boots you 11B leg slime!


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Dubya and the GOP Congress ran the biggest deficits in history. Then it was Dubya and the Dem Congress - even bigger deficits.

Oh, I see, the 07-09 congress, which has the House Dem-controlled and Senate tied, Cheney broke 8 ties, 11th most of 47 VP's, and you say the Senate was Dem-controlled, counselor? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tie-breaking_votes_cast_by_Vice_Presidents_of_the_United_States

Spending bills originate in the House. Maybe it's different in Zimbabwe.


[Reply]Not to mention the mess was made, the house mess peaked in late 2006, so just as Obama inherited the huge mess, the Jan 07 senate got to enjoy the start of that mess and unfucking it with a turd in place to veto all kinds of shit.

Nothing says "unfucking" like a gang bang.

Tell me, what has Obama done differently? Oh yeah. He took what Bush did, choked down a few Marlboros, and decided to to Dubya squared.

[Reply]Turd in chief vertoed 1 bill in 5.5 years, then vetoed 11 more as the Dems took the House and tied the Senate.

Um, yeah. Clinton didn't veto a damned thing till the GOP took power in Congress. It's called "life."


[Reply]In fact, President Turd had 4 of the last 11 vetoes overriden, a 36% rate after the Dems took the House and tied the Senate (33% over all). Only 2 presidents had a higher rate of overrides, Pierce and Andrew Johnson; worst president and 1st to be impeached. So you say the Dems didn't do anything positive; they did all they could to shut down your guy by forcing 11 vetoes and overriding 4 of them.

And look where it got us. I can also arbitrarily spin anything. The economy didn't really tank until the Dems took power.

And look at historical misery index. Bush presidency was lowest in history (even better than under Clinton).

I still consider Dubya a failure as a president.

[Reply]All this after inheriting a market about to crash.

Yes. Versus Dubya who inherited one that just crashed.

[Reply] Counselor, you lost this one.

With your scoring, yes. All you need is a French judge in your pocket and the gold goes elsewhere.

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Now it's a Dem Congress and a Dem POTUS who have apparently decided, "fuck Bush. We can run way bigger deficits that him. A trillion per year? Ha! Just wait ten years!!!"

And that debt is huge, why? Could it be mostly due to hammered receipts from your guy? http://www.heritage.org/budgetchartbook/growth-federal-spending-revenue

Why'd you cite an article that shows that when revenues fall spending jumps?

The spending is the new "hockey stick."


[Reply]As the Heritage FOundation graph clearly shows, the spending was set vertical up, the revenues set vertically down and all Obama has done is reverse the revenues and shade off the spending.

I think you are looking at a different graph. Revenues crashed under Clinton. Recovered. Crashed.

Yet spending went up - exponentially.

[Reply]This graph is from the CBO posted by your rag. So tell me what Obama is doing wrong?

Not a damned thing. Congress is doing it wrong. Obama's merely signing it.

[Reply]He's cutting spending and increasing revenues; I guess that's a bad thing for Republicans like you, otherwise you would approve.


Cutting spending? Are you high?

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Yeah. Lucky. We are collapsing under the weight of military spending. It has nothing to do with the other 80 percent of the budget. Medicare and Social Security are the big dogs and it isn't even close.

Yea, make sure and leave military pensions out and declare it under entitlement or other spending.

Unless you do 20 years you don't get a pension. It's why I don't get one.

[Reply] Since GHWB and Clinton cut spending

Congress did. Get facts straight.


[Reply]and very slightly incr taxes and that fixed everything, I see your point .

No. Congress did. And the surplus was also from a tax cut on other places.

[Reply]As everyone has said, CUT WHAT YOU THINK IS WASTE, KEEP PILING ON WHAT YOU THINK IS NECCESSARY; you aren't about spending cuts, you are about SOCIAL spending cuts.

I apply the circumcision principle - you can cut 20% off of anything.

[Reply] Saying European Socialism is not a fiscally successful venture?

Yes.

[Reply]Look at how great American Capitalism is by GDP: http://www.visualeconomics.com/gdp-vs-national-debt-by-country/ Since our GDP has grown in the last year, we have moved down in the debtor nation by GDP ranking.

Debtor nation and capitalist country is like being a pro"ife murderer.

[Reply]By gross debt we are by far the largest.

A true laissez faire way of doing things. Not.


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Yeah. Excessive military spending. Yeah, it is excessive.

4% of the world's population and we match the rest of the world $ for $; yea, that's sick.

So when I agree that it is excessive you STILL gotta argue it.

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But cut the shit. It's like telling the obese guy he's collapsing under all the Hawaiian Punch. The problem is far more systemic, and your Democrat idols are overdoi,g it, too.

Unlike your Republican idols?

Republicans and democrats are equally irresponsible - they just spend irresponsibly on different shit.

[Reply] And no, the debt was EXTREMELY manageable until that fascist pig came along.

Nice way of saying, "Bush made me spend all this money. If noit for Bush I wouldn't have to spend a dime."

[Reply] Then GHWB and mostly Clinton stopped teh belleding; most of the mess occurred under Reagan and GWB.

Sometime it'd be nice to see partisanship taken away from you. It'd also be nice to see Marino win a Super Bowl.

Neither will happen.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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Eh, lucky is unable to recognize sarcasm but he is VERY good at backpedaling.

Hey Lucky...take a look at this pic. Sure looks like an undulating, wavelike pattern to me.

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What happens when the US fails under the load of spending 8 times that of the #2 in military budget? Oh, I see we are realizing that.

Uh, this spending differential has existed since the fall of the Soviet Union. It was there with Clinton, it was there with Bush. Clinton even managed a technical surplus while spending all that money on the military.

While we certainly could stand to spend less on the military (say reduce by 50%), it isn't the cause of our current deficit picture and the looming doubling of the debt by a two term Obama Administration.

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Lucky, you hate so many people on this forum you can't remember who you hate for what. Like I said, you obviously have me confused with somebody else. Try to keep your shitlist straight, ok?
That's a good boy.

It's pretty simple, really.

You take every people that has ever disagreed with him (is that 90% of us?) and lump them in a group. Then take every statement that anyone has ever made that he has disagreed with. Everyone in that group believes everything he disagreed with.

Since he's always played loose with facts, this inaccurate identification of people's beliefs (iow, frequent lying) has never bothered him.

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But the term, "fluctuates" tends to be more about wide variances, unless you consider 7 and 20 point days a fluctuation

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There goes lucky doing his usual thing...making up definitions to fit his own needs.
Backpedaling at it's best.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fluctuates

Not sure what language you're speaking, I like English.

fluc·tu·ate (flkch-t)
v. fluc·tu·at·ed, fluc·tu·at·ing, fluc·tu·ates
v.intr.
1. To vary irregularly. See Synonyms at swing.
2. To rise and fall in or as if in waves; undulate.

fluctuate [ˈflʌktjʊˌeɪt]
vb
1. to change or cause to change position constantly; be or make unstable; waver or vary
2. (intr) to rise and fall like a wave; undulate

Quite obviosly a fluctuation is more of a wide swing, instability, etc...... but that's under the rules of English.

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You either, keep building trailers pretending to know acft construction.

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Ok, I will continue to design an occasional trailer. It is, obviously, something much too difficult for you to handle or you wouldn't keep asking me to do it for you.

Yea, a box with wheels; how tricky

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And I do know aircraft construction. Far more than you realize.

Uh, yea. After failing to know what, "swell and draw" means in regard to rivets, you said, "the test is over."

I would never try to convine someone that has done an occupation all his life that I know more than him, but hey, that's just the way I Troll.

fixed it for u

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Eh, lucky is unable to recognize sarcasm but he is VERY good at backpedaling.

Hey Lucky...take a look at this pic. Sure looks like an undulating, wavelike pattern to me.

And RIGHT NOW it's back above 11,000 (+48.52).

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Cut the shit.

You're not an officer in the military anymore.

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Dubya and the GOP Congress ran the biggest deficits in history. Then it was Dubya and the Dem Congress - even bigger deficits.

Oh, I see, the 07-09 congress, which has the House Dem-controlled and Senate tied, Cheney broke 8 ties, 11th most of 47 VP's, and you say the Senate was Dem-controlled, counselor? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tie-breaking_votes_cast_by_Vice_Presidents_of_the_United_States

Not to mention the mess was made, the house mess peaked in late 2006, so just as Obama inherited the huge mess, the Jan 07 senate got to enjoy the start of that mess and unfucking it with a turd in place to veto all kinds of shit. Turd in chief vertoed 1 bill in 5.5 years, then vetoed 11 more as the Dems took the House and tied the Senate. In fact, President Turd had 4 of the last 11 vetoes overriden, a 36% rate after the Dems took the House and tied the Senate (33% over all). Only 2 presidents had a higher rate of overrides, Pierce and Andrew Johnson; worst president and 1st to be impeached.

----->what does the fact that he was impeached have to do with anything? he was impeached because of his dealings with the confederacy not being hardline enough after the war and his veto of a civil rights bill..... hardly comparable. The DEM was a southern man so he kind of sided with the south and slavery so what point are you trying to make comparing a veto record and impeachment? By the way the Republican house are the ones that did this and it dod not stick in the Senate.... but I'm sure you knew this......

So you say the Dems didn't do anything positive; they did all they could to shut down your guy by forcing 11 vetoes and overriding 4 of them. All this after inheriting a market about to crash. Counselor, you lost this one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes

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Now it's a Dem Congress and a Dem POTUS who have apparently decided, "fuck Bush. We can run way bigger deficits that him. A trillion per year? Ha! Just wait ten years!!!"

And that debt is huge, why? Could it be mostly due to hammered receipts from your guy? http://www.heritage.org/budgetchartbook/growth-federal-spending-revenue

As the Heritage FOundation graph clearly shows, the spending was set vertical up, the revenues set vertically down and all Obama has done is reverse the revenues and shade off the spending. This graph is from the CBO posted by your rag. So tell me what Obama is doing wrong? He's cutting spending and increasing revenues; I guess that's a bad thing for Republicans like you, otherwise you would approve.

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Yeah. Lucky. We are collapsing under the weight of military spending. It has nothing to do with the other 80 percent of the budget. Medicare and Social Security are the big dogs and it isn't even close.

Yea, make sure and leave military pensions out and declare it under entitlement or other spending. Since GHWB and Clinton cut spending and very slightly incr taxes and that fixed everything, I see your point . As everyone has said, CUT WHAT YOU THINK IS WASTE, KEEP PILING ON WHAT YOU THINK IS NECCESSARY; you aren't about spending cuts, you are about SOCIAL spending cuts.

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Check out Greece. Portugal. Belgium might be hosed, too.

Your point? Saying European Socialism is not a fiscally successful venture? Look at how great American Capitalism is by GDP: http://www.visualeconomics.com/gdp-vs-national-debt-by-country/ Since our GDP has grown in the last year, we have moved down in the debtor nation by GDP ranking.

By gross debt we are by far the largest.

Or by president: [/url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms[url]

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Yeah. Excessive military spending. Yeah, it is excessive.

4% of the world's population and we match the rest of the world $ for $; yea, that's sick.

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But cut the shit. It's like telling the obese guy he's collapsing under all the Hawaiian Punch. The problem is far more systemic, and your Democrat idols are overdoi,g it, too.

Unlike your Republican idols? And no, the debt was EXTREMELY manageable until that fascist pig came along. Then GHWB and mostly Clinton stopped teh bleeding; most of the mess occurred under Reagan and GWB.

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Yeah. Lucky. We are collapsing under the weight of military spending. It has nothing to do with the other 80 percent of the budget. Medicare and Social Security are the big dogs and it isn't even close.

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Social Security is funded through dedicated payroll and benefit taxes as well as interest earned on previous surpluses. Hence, its finances are separate from the rest of the federal budget. Similarly, Medicare is primarily funded through dedicated payroll taxes and user premiums(though general revenue sources now constitute some of the funding).

Social Security is currently in surplus, and the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projects that the trust fund will continue to grow through 2020.

The debt would be WORSE if the govt. couldn't use the SS trust fund to offset it.

The federal budget was in surplus when Bush took office, and in 2001 the CBO projected surpluses for the next decade. However, Bush’s 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, wars and his increase in defense spending put the budget in deficit even before the Bush recession hit.

The structural deficit is currently around 4.5% of GDP. Allowing Bush's tax cuts for the rich to expire would reduce this to around 3.5% of GDP, and trimming the defense budget would yield another 0.5% or more.

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Social Security is currently in surplus, and the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projects that the trust fund will continue to grow through 2020.

Too bad the trust fund isn't a fund.

Yes, it's accurate to say to Lawrocket that SS isn't part of the deficit pressure this year. Last year it generated a whopping 3B surplus (down from 60 in 2008). This year it is likely to be slightly in the negative.

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By Alexandra Twin, senior writer April 27, 2010: 6:04 PM ET


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Stocks fell Tuesday after Standard & Poors cut Greece's debt rating to junk and lowered Portugal's debt rating, raising fears that a euro zone debt crisis could slow the global economic recovery.

Be interesting to see what happens to Greece next as an indicator of our possible future.

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Eh, lucky is unable to recognize sarcasm but he is VERY good at backpedaling.

Hey Lucky...take a look at this pic. Sure looks like an undulating, wavelike pattern to me.

And RIGHT NOW it's back above 11,000 (+48.52).

It can't be. The reports are lies. In order for it to get back above 11000 it would have to fluctuate, something lucky says can't happen because it is stable.

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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fluctuates


fluc·tu·ate (flkch-t)
v. fluc·tu·at·ed, fluc·tu·at·ing, fluc·tu·ates
v.intr.
1. To vary irregularly. See Synonyms at swing.
2. To rise and fall in or as if in waves; undulate.

fluctuate [ˈflʌktjʊˌeɪt]
vb
1. to change or cause to change position constantly; be or make unstable; waver or vary
2. (intr) to rise and fall like a wave; undulate

Quite obviosly a fluctuation is more of a wide swing, instability, etc...... but that's under the rules of English.

please point out to me where in those definitions it alludes to amplitude of change. I see many words describing modalities of change, "waver", "vary", "rise and fall"

I do not however, see anything alluding to the amplitude of that change.

Just admit you failed to see the sarcasm and let it go.

I'm sorry, it was written in simple English where it stated: be or make unstable. Also, To vary irregularly.See Synonyms at swing. And, To rise and fall in or as if in waves; undulate.

Unstable, swing, waves, vary irregularly; these sound like minor adjustments to you? Here's language for minor adjustments: incremement, gradual adjustment, fine tune, etc.

If you want to consider a fluctuation to be an incremental adjustment, hey, you have the right to do English how you choose.

As for sarcasm, no, like you, Belgian is a hardcore righty and absolutley loves if there are any failures of the Obama era. So sorry, maybe another 911 can happen so you will be pleased.

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Dubya and the GOP Congress ran the biggest deficits in history. Then it was Dubya and the Dem Congress - even bigger deficits.

Oh, I see, the 07-09 congress, which has the House Dem-controlled and Senate tied, Cheney broke 8 ties, 11th most of 47 VP's, and you say the Senate was Dem-controlled, counselor? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tie-breaking_votes_cast_by_Vice_Presidents_of_the_United_States

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Spending bills originate in the House. Maybe it's different in Zimbabwe.

Oh, what spending occurred under the 07-09 congress? The bank bailout presided over by your turd? The same one where he did nothing? Just like 911, spent the entire moth before 911 on vacation, he watched as the country took a shit and the banks were failing and you say that was bad to bail them out? Don't you understand history?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Law_110-343

HERE' HOW TARP WAS FUNDED:

The first version of the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 (structured as an amendment to H.R. 3997) was rejected by the House of Representatives on September 29.

After its defeat, Senate leaders decided to amend an existing bill from the House in order to circumvent the revenue origination clause of U.S. Constitution, and chose H.R. 1424 as the vehicle for the the legislation.[5][6][7][8] H.R. 1424 was sponsored by United States House Representative Patrick J. Kennedy.[3]

On September 30, 2008, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell announced the proposed draft had been formalized for the amendment that would transform H.R. 1424 into the Senate version of the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008.[9][10][11]

On October 1, 2008, the amendment to H.R. 1424 was approved by a vote of 74 to 25, and the entire amended bill was passed by 74 to 25, (with one not voting, the cancer-stricken Senator Ted Kennedy). The bill was returned to the House for consideration.[12][13] On October 3, 2008, the bill as passed by the Senate was accepted by a vote of 263 to 171 in the House. Every member of the House voted, though the House has a vacant seat of the recently-deceased Stephanie Tubbs Jones of Ohio. President George W. Bush signed the bill into law a few hours later.[14][15]


So it was a bipartisan bill, yet you want to blame the Dems as you pretend not to be a Reapublican. Again, leting the banks fail was a good idea? I guess good for you, cheap labor, but as a nation it would be bad. I would have preferred to socialize the banks, but the US won;t do that so we need to make teh billionaires whole again.

[Reply]Not to mention the mess was made, the house mess peaked in late 2006, so just as Obama inherited the huge mess, the Jan 07 senate got to enjoy the start of that mess and unfucking it with a turd in place to veto all kinds of shit.

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Nothing says "unfucking" like a gang bang.

Tell me, what has Obama done differently? Oh yeah. He took what Bush did, choked down a few Marlboros, and decided to to Dubya squared.

I love your examples, nothing like being ridiculously vague. I guess Obama implemented the stimulus taking the GDP from -6-4 to +5.6% in
[Reply]Turd in chief vertoed 1 bill in 5.5 years, then vetoed 11 more as the Dems took the House and tied the Senate.

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Um, yeah. Clinton didn't veto a damned thing till the GOP took power in Congress. It's called "life."

2 uneventful years? As compared to GWB's 5.5 years with all kinds of turmoil, perhaps the most caustic 8 years altogether since WWII and you want to compare? Also, what did Clinton sign that he should have vetoed? All the good was done in the first 2 years, all the tax increases that started working immediatley and eventually balanced the budget.

Not to mention that you didn't answer the point I made: Turd in chief vertoed 1 bill in 5.5 years, then vetoed 11 more as the Dems took the House and tied the Senate So tell me now that the Dems did nothing to stop your guy. They did all they could and forced tie break votes. Go ahead and continue to ignore this, I know you will.


[Reply]In fact, President Turd had 4 of the last 11 vetoes overriden, a 36% rate after the Dems took the House and tied the Senate (33% over all). Only 2 presidents had a higher rate of overrides, Pierce and Andrew Johnson; worst president and 1st to be impeached. So you say the Dems didn't do anything positive; they did all they could to shut down your guy by forcing 11 vetoes and overriding 4 of them.

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And look where it got us. I can also arbitrarily spin anything.

Counselor; no answer? It was teh start of teh healing. Handcuffing your Republican president taht you love so much was about as good as we could do with a tied senate and lead in the house. What is spun? You usually have cogent answers, now you sound like Ron. 36% override rate since Jan 07 - 09, 3rd highest ever, 4 overrides in 2 years and you still the Dems did nothing with a small house lead and tied senate.

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The economy didn't really tank until the Dems took power.

Right, and I will lend you my 200k mile car and if it breaks it's your fault. BTW, what did the dems in the house do from Jan 07 until mid-late 07 (start of recession) to induce this failure? What bills did they pass or refuse to pass that could have averted the failure or that you say caused the failure? Again, crickets; I get it. Anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together knows the housing mess started in 03-04, peaked at the end of 06 and then the mess mounted.

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And look at historical misery index. Bush presidency was lowest in history (even better than under Clinton).

Post it.

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I still consider Dubya a failure as a president.

And yet you support conservative ideals . Not only that, but you just blamed the Dem congress.

[Reply]All this after inheriting a market about to crash.

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Yes. Versus Dubya who inherited one that just crashed.

Yea, the market really crashed at the end of the Clinton years. It went from 3500 to 9800 in 8 years and due to it undergoing a NASDAQ crash, the rest of the market did well, and you call it a crash?

[Reply] Counselor, you lost this one.

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With your scoring, yes. All you need is a French judge in your pocket and the gold goes elsewhere.

My assertion was in regard to you blaming the Dem House was at fault for GWB's mess, I've clearly shown the Dems did great measures to stop GWB.

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Now it's a Dem Congress and a Dem POTUS who have apparently decided, "fuck Bush. We can run way bigger deficits that him. A trillion per year? Ha! Just wait ten years!!!"

And that debt is huge, why? Could it be mostly due to hammered receipts from your guy? http://www.heritage.org/budgetchartbook/growth-federal-spending-revenue

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Why'd you cite an article that shows that when revenues fall spending jumps?

The spending is the new "hockey stick."

Historically that is the case, but as you run from my point, the real issue was that Obama inherited ultra-low receipts from your guy, which is the main reason for the deficit. Of course the massive spending under GWB doesn't help, but at least if he could pay for it, it wouldn't be so catastrophic. Again, the point is, Obama inherited very low receipts and per the graph has turned it around, per the graph the spending has shaded off.

[Reply]As the Heritage FOundation graph clearly shows, the spending was set vertical up, the revenues set vertically down and all Obama has done is reverse the revenues and shade off the spending.

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I think you are looking at a different graph. Revenues crashed under Clinton. Recovered. Crashed.

I wasn't talking Clinton oh master of the strawman, you've brought that in several times and I've addressed all of your tangents, but the point is that in 08 the spending was vertically up, shaded off in 09, receipts were vertically downwad, now slightly upward.

To address your strawman misdirect, revenues under Clinton wer flat in Jan 93, then took off massively in the greatest growth period in US history from 700B to 2.5T, in 2000, a year before his exit they fell. You can see teh kink in mid 2001 where GWB's giveaway killed receipts.

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Yet spending went up - exponentially.

Strawman #2 of yours: Spending increased 20% IN 8 FUCKING YEARS UNDER CLINTON, which is about the rate of inflation + the rate of population growth; are you sure you're able to read this graph - blue is spending. from 03-01 is the flatest part of teh graph on teh spending side, revenues the steeepest part under Clinton all while the deficit fell EVERY SINGLE YEAR OF CLINTON'S TERM.

If you think you're pulling off misdirecting the argument from GWB to Clinton, you're sadly mistaken.

[Reply]This graph is from the CBO posted by your rag. So tell me what Obama is doing wrong?

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Not a damned thing. Congress is doing it wrong. Obama's merely signing it.

Obama is the lead legislator, absent a veto followed by an override, Obama owns it. Again, SHOW ME WHERE THE GRAPH FROM 09 ON LOOKS LIKE SPENDING IS ANYTHING BUT DOWN, RECEIPTS ANYTHING BUT UP. Ya can't, just keep the misdiects coming.

[Reply]He's cutting spending and increasing revenues; I guess that's a bad thing for Republicans like you, otherwise you would approve.

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Cutting spending? Are you high?

The cart reads that spending is less from 09 - 10, is that hard to see?

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Yeah. Lucky. We are collapsing under the weight of military spending. It has nothing to do with the other 80 percent of the budget. Medicare and Social Security are the big dogs and it isn't even close.

Yea, make sure and leave military pensions out and declare it under entitlement or other spending.

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Unless you do 20 years you don't get a pension. It's why I don't get one.

I don't care about you personally, military spending is hidden under entitlement / other / social spending and is part of the military operations. You still can't answer a question directly, can you? You might be really good in cross or in depo (post), but it's not working here.

[Reply] Since GHWB and Clinton cut spending

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Congress did. Get facts straight.

Really? The Dem congress sent the bills to GHWB and Clinton they then played a role, the most significant role; any clue what that was? Furthermore, the budget starts as a proposition from the pres.

[Reply]and very slightly incr taxes and that fixed everything, I see your point .

No. Congress did. And the surplus was also from a tax cut on other places.

Oh god, not another Mike trying to tell us the Clinton success that was deep-rooted by the 07 cap gains tax cut, where revenues actually fell, was the cause of the Clinton success.

Furthermore, the pres is the ultimate legislator.

[Reply]As everyone has said, CUT WHAT YOU THINK IS WASTE, KEEP PILING ON WHAT YOU THINK IS NECCESSARY; you aren't about spending cuts, you are about SOCIAL spending cuts.

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I apply the circumcision principle - you can cut 20% off of anything.

I just never read you talking military cuts unless cornered, you don't bring it up. Dude, we get you loud and clear. You just don't give a shit about social issues.

[Reply] Saying European Socialism is not a fiscally successful venture?

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Yes.

If tehy were smart they would follow the US fascist Capitalist model, right?

[Reply]Look at how great American Capitalism is by GDP: http://www.visualeconomics.com/gdp-vs-national-debt-by-country/ Since our GDP has grown in the last year, we have moved down in the debtor nation by GDP ranking.

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Debtor nation and capitalist country is like being a pro"ife murderer.

So basically a RW moralist killing an abortion doctor; great example. I don't see your analogy.

[Reply]By gross debt we are by far the largest.

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A true laissez faire way of doing things. Not

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Like Taiwan? Yea, don't they have socialized meds? Who else is laissez faire w/o soc med? Again, WE ARE TEH LARGEST GROSS DEBTOR NATION UNDER CAPITALISM.

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Yeah. Excessive military spending. Yeah, it is excessive.

4% of the world's population and we match the rest of the world $ for $; yea, that's sick.

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So when I agree that it is excessive you STILL gotta argue it.

Right, you just never introduce military cuts; DUDE, WE FUCKING GET YOU. You pretend to advocate military cuts to further pretend to be a libertarian. Then massively introduce social cuts at evry turn. FUCK; WE GET IT ALREADY.

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But cut the shit. It's like telling the obese guy he's collapsing under all the Hawaiian Punch. The problem is far more systemic, and your Democrat idols are overdoi,g it, too.

Unlike your Republican idols?

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Republicans and democrats are equally irresponsible - they just spend irresponsibly on different shit.

Right, sending people to the streets like your primary hero, Hoover is the way we should do it.

[Reply] And no, the debt was EXTREMELY manageable until that fascist pig came along.

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Nice way of saying, "Bush made me spend all this money. If noit for Bush I wouldn't have to spend a dime."

What the fuck are you talking about? I was talking about the great fascist pig, Ronnie the elitist sociopath Reagan. Where does Bush enter the conversation when I was refering to Reagan hammering the debt????

[Reply] Then GHWB and mostly Clinton stopped teh belleding; most of the mess occurred under Reagan and GWB.

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Sometime it'd be nice to see partisanship taken away from you. It'd also be nice to see Marino win a Super Bowl.

Gee, I stated, GHWB and Clinton and you accuse me of partisanship.... NEWSFLASH: they are from different parties.

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Neither will happen.

The explain how I like these presidents a lot:

- FDR

- Eisenhower

- Clinton

- GHWB

- Obama

- Teddy Roosevelt

Presidents I can't stand:

- Reagan

- LBJ (altho he did a great deal of good with the 64 cicil rts)

- GWB

- Hoover

- Nixon

- Truman

So once again, your partisan arument is just a way of not actually answering an issue.

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Eh, lucky is unable to recognize sarcasm but he is VERY good at backpedaling.

Hey Lucky...take a look at this pic. Sure looks like an undulating, wavelike pattern to me.

Oh I'm sorry, I expect adults to deal in larger periods of time. Hell, break it down to the microcosm of minuites; it would be massively crazy.

When you talk trends, you talk larger periods of time; http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EDJI+Basic+Chart&t=my Look at teh max period and now you see major fluctuations. These are great for profit takers who often orchestrate them, but bad for many individuals.

As for sarcasm, now that's a backpeddal. You posted to try to show the Dem recovery is not working, wanna try to show that's not true - good luck.

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Uh, this spending differential has existed since the fall of the Soviet Union.

Yea, the fascist pig ran it up for no good reason.

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It was there with Clinton, it was there with Bush.

It was measureably reduced under each. Both closed bases, both cut massive troops.

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Clinton even managed a technical surplus while spending all that money on the military.

Yes, Clinton managed a real surplus,. sorry the country didn't tank under him making all conservatives smile with gleee.

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While we certainly could stand to spend less on the military (say reduce by 50%), it isn't the cause of our current deficit picture ..

50% is about right. No, 30 years of spending by today's dollars 600B/yr. Let's 1/2 that and mult by 30, shall we?

600B x 30 = 18T X .5 = 9T which is ironically about what the total debt increase was from 1981 until Obama took office. Altho yes, it's not that simple, the massive tax cuts under Reagan and smaller ones under GWb were big in that too. As well, the bank/mortgage industry has ass-raped us hard too.

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...and the looming doubling of the debt by a two term Obama Administration.

Ah yes, using projected #'s from >6 years away is prudent and you cite the Onion deal, of course ignore hwt's CNNBC to hep a brother out. Why not use what we have, unempm GDP, market, etc? Oh, they don't support your opinions well? Ok, I see.

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...Since he's always played loose with facts...

And you just posted projected #'s going >6 years into the future? I'm embarrassed for you

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But the term, "fluctuates" tends to be more about wide variances, unless you consider 7 and 20 point days a fluctuation

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There goes lucky doing his usual thing...making up definitions to fit his own needs.
Backpedaling at it's best.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fluctuates

Not sure what language you're speaking, I like English.

fluc·tu·ate (flkch-t)
v. fluc·tu·at·ed, fluc·tu·at·ing, fluc·tu·ates
v.intr.
1. To vary irregularly. See Synonyms at swing.
2. To rise and fall in or as if in waves; undulate.

fluctuate [ˈflʌktjʊˌeɪt]
vb
1. to change or cause to change position constantly; be or make unstable; waver or vary
2. (intr) to rise and fall like a wave; undulate

Quite obviosly a fluctuation is more of a wide swing, instability, etc...... but that's under the rules of English.

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You either, keep building trailers pretending to know acft construction.

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Ok, I will continue to design an occasional trailer. It is, obviously, something much too difficult for you to handle or you wouldn't keep asking me to do it for you.

Yea, a box with wheels; how tricky

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And I do know aircraft construction. Far more than you realize.

Uh, yea. After failing to know what, "swell and draw" means in regard to rivets, you said, "the test is over."

I would never try to convine someone that has done an occupation all his life that I know more than him, but hey, that's just the way I Troll.

fixed it for u

Thx for popping in, sorry that the market rebounded 50+ points, maybe another 911 under Obama would bring you joy.

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Eh, lucky is unable to recognize sarcasm but he is VERY good at backpedaling.

Hey Lucky...take a look at this pic. Sure looks like an undulating, wavelike pattern to me.

Oh I'm sorry, I expect adults to deal in larger periods of time. Hell, break it down to the microcosm of minuites; it would be massively crazy.

When you talk trends, you talk larger periods of time; http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EDJI+Basic+Chart&t=my Look at teh max period and now you see major fluctuations. These are great for profit takers who often orchestrate them, but bad for many individuals.

As for sarcasm, now that's a backpeddal. You posted to try to show the Dem recovery is not working, wanna try to show that's not true - good luck.

I posted this thread entirely in sarcasm. You failed to see that because you hate anyone that says anything negative about Obama.
As far as calling me a "righty" that hopes the Obama admin. fails, you are totally wrong. I actually voted for him and hope he does well. It will be best for our country if he DOES do well.
Why not just admit you cannot recognize sarcasm, you were wrong, and let it go at that? Why keep digging a deeper and deeper hole by narrowing the definition of a word until it fits your views and nothing else?
Fluctuate=fluctuate. Get over it.

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But the term, "fluctuates" tends to be more about wide variances, unless you consider 7 and 20 point days a fluctuation

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There goes lucky doing his usual thing...making up definitions to fit his own needs.
Backpedaling at it's best.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fluctuates

Not sure what language you're speaking, I like English.

fluc·tu·ate (flkch-t)
v. fluc·tu·at·ed, fluc·tu·at·ing, fluc·tu·ates
v.intr.
1. To vary irregularly. See Synonyms at swing.
2. To rise and fall in or as if in waves; undulate.

fluctuate [ˈflʌktjʊˌeɪt]
vb
1. to change or cause to change position constantly; be or make unstable; waver or vary
2. (intr) to rise and fall like a wave; undulate

Quite obviosly a fluctuation is more of a wide swing, instability, etc...... but that's under the rules of English.

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You either, keep building trailers pretending to know acft construction.

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Ok, I will continue to design an occasional trailer. It is, obviously, something much too difficult for you to handle or you wouldn't keep asking me to do it for you.

Yea, a box with wheels; how tricky

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And I do know aircraft construction. Far more than you realize.

Uh, yea. After failing to know what, "swell and draw" means in regard to rivets, you said, "the test is over."

I would never try to convine someone that has done an occupation all his life that I know more than him, but hey, that's just the way I Troll.

fixed it for u

Thx for popping in, sorry that the market rebounded 50+ points, maybe another 911 under Obama would bring you joy.

Lucky..... your useless postings mean nothing to me. You speak as though you know what you are talking about but hardly anything you write makes any sense. I am just going to tell you that the GOP is going to take congress in the mid term elections and most likely Obama will be a one term president. That's not even what I want to happen but it will make me laugh my ass off bc you will be out of your mind when it happens. I wish we could kick every one of them out and start fresh but that will never happen.

Anyway.... back to making money in this market. Oh and I did love the one day pull back because I saw it coming and made a nice littel profit that day..... back to the short term bullish approach until I see indicators of another pull back. Enjoy your day knowing in your own mind that you know all.

By the way.... why would I not want the market to go up again? I make money when it does and more people are willing to invest when its up. Sure I make it when it goes down too but not as many people get in the game. Oh wait I know why you keep saying that..... BC YOU HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!

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