JohnMitchell 16 #1 April 25, 2010 My brother in law sent this pic. I think it's great. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #2 April 25, 2010 Quote My brother in law sent this pic. I think it's great. Wonderful flowers in full blossom - what's written on the panel?? And why the red arrow? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #3 April 25, 2010 Quote My brother in law sent this pic. I think it's great. I dunno man. I just don't see it. What the F is your brother in law doing with the duck and a hose?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 16 #4 April 25, 2010 Sorry the original was so small. Try again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 16 #5 April 25, 2010 Got the big pic out. Now take a look. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #6 April 25, 2010 But . . . it's fake. It's not even a good fake. WTF?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 16 #7 April 25, 2010 Quote But . . . it's fake. It's not even a good fake. WTF? Really? I'm no photo analyst. It looked real to me. I like it. Sometimes when gun haters really get on a roll with their diatribes, I like to ask them if they'd please put up a sign in their front yard telling the world they're unarmed. Not one has dared to do it yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #8 April 25, 2010 Quote Quote But . . . it's fake. It's not even a good fake. WTF? Really? I'm no photo analyst. It looked real to me. I like it. Sometimes when gun haters really get on a roll with their diatribes, I like to ask them if they'd please put up a sign in their front yard telling the world they're unarmed. Not one has dared to do it yet. Yeah, it's a fake. There is absolutely no perspective on the sign at all (except metaphorically). So anyway, score gun vs anti-gun; 0-0. It appears that while the anti-gun folks aren't willing to put up signs, neither are the pro-gun folks willing to put up signs about their neighbors. I take that as a good sign. To actually put up a sign like that would be pretty assholeish. As for people putting or not putting signs in front of their yards in general, I'm going to have to take a photo of a house in my neighborhood. Perfectly fine neighborhood except the village paranoid that has a metric crap load of "no trespassing" and "violators will be shot" kinds of crap. OK, so random people probably aren't going to walk up to his house, but only because people think he's fuckin' nuts.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #9 April 25, 2010 Nice lawn (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #10 April 25, 2010 Quote Nice lawn Jesus, yes! Looks like beeing cut with a nail scissor - I never saw something green like that anywhere in Germany dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #11 April 25, 2010 QuoteI take that as a good sign. To actually put up a sign like that would be pretty assholeish. Beyond that, they would be complicit if that neighbor was robbed, assaulted, murdered, etc. But that's how idiotic conservatives roll. Me, I'm a liberal who is extremely pro-gun, but I have the cooth to let others be anti-gun w/o tagging them. Just a liberal, 'live and let live' thing I guess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #12 April 25, 2010 Quote Just a liberal, 'live and let live' thing I guess. "live and let live liberal" anti-gunner chooses not to own guns but lets other decide for themselves "other liberal" anti-gunner chooses not to own guns and pushes for legislation for others not to own guns either glad you are the first kind you can label that "liberal" if you like, but a lot of others here that also label themselves 'liberal' are the second kind that's what you get with labels.....a more accurate label, instead of lib vs cons - would be pro or anti "right to bear arms" ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,154 #13 April 25, 2010 Quote Quote Just a liberal, 'live and let live' thing I guess. "live and let live liberal" anti-gunner chooses not to own guns but lets other decide for themselves "other liberal" anti-gunner chooses not to own guns and pushes for legislation for others not to own guns either glad you are the first kind you can label that "liberal" if you like, but a lot of others here that also label themselves 'liberal' are the second kind that's what you get with labels.....a more accurate label, instead of lib vs cons - would be pro or anti "right to bear arms" Do you think convicted felons have a right to bear arms?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #14 April 25, 2010 QuoteDo you think convicted felons have a right to bear arms? how much extra tax did you volunteer to pay this April? (Convicted? I guess that depends on the rules the jail has for their inmates?) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #15 April 25, 2010 QuoteBeyond that, they would be complicit if that neighbor was robbed, assaulted, murdered, etc. But that's how idiotic conservatives roll. So, if those "other" liberal anti-gunners get their way and criminalize all guns in the nation and get all guns taken from law abiding citizens (and John's convicts too apparently) - then would you agree that they would be complicit in the mass crime wave that (in some theories) follow? It's pretty much the same thing as a sign like this. Though if the neighbor gets his way, it's equivalent to putting that sign in every yard. Also, though you label him a 'conservative', how do you know the sign owner isn't a pro-gun liberal like yourself? (one who is passionate about his political beliefs and isn't scared to make very direct notice to the fact). ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #16 April 25, 2010 Quote Quote Just a liberal, 'live and let live' thing I guess. "live and let live liberal" anti-gunner chooses not to own guns but lets other decide for themselves "other liberal" anti-gunner chooses not to own guns and pushes for legislation for others not to own guns either glad you are the first kind you can label that "liberal" if you like, but a lot of others here that also label themselves 'liberal' are the second kind that's what you get with labels.....a more accurate label, instead of lib vs cons - would be pro or anti "right to bear arms" Same with pro-choice vs anti-choice I guess. Extremism is easily found with anti-choice type protocols. Anti-gun, anti-abortion, anti-taxation, etc. I don't subscribe to prohibitionists in virtually all cases, but then we have the other end, the type that wants no controls, no taxes, etc....they are as whacky as the other en. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #17 April 25, 2010 QuoteQuoteDo you think convicted felons have a right to bear arms? how much extra tax did you volunteer to pay this April? (Convicted? I guess that depends on the rules the jail has for their inmates?) Answer the question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #18 April 25, 2010 QuoteSame with pro-choice vs anti-choice I guess. Extremism is easily found with anti-choice type protocols. Anti-gun, anti-abortion, anti-taxation, etc. I don't subscribe to prohibitionists in virtually all cases, but then we have the other end, the type that wants no controls, no taxes, etc....they are as whacky as the other en. I'm good with this. Note Extremism is easily found with the pro-choice types too since you single out one side typically - (abortion on demand right up to the ninth month and gov pays).... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #19 April 25, 2010 QuoteAnswer the question. Why? - "where do you draw the fine line" debates are tedious and non-productive. This is about general freedoms in the major sense, not pissy details. (Answer the question? Inmates shouldn't be armed.) Your turn - you belief in a 40-60% tax bracket - So, to answer an annoying repetitive question equivalent to John's, did you overpay to 40-60% this year? {{cloudy weekend days suck, jumping is more fun than killing time here - Gotta go workout, I'll check in later}} ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #20 April 25, 2010 QuoteSo, if those "other" liberal anti-gunners get their way and criminalize all guns in the nation and get all guns taken from law abiding citizens (and John's convicts too apparently) - then would you agree that they would be complicit in the mass crime wave that (in some theories) follow? You have to establish that gun revocation leads to increased crime. The, "in some theories" is teh part I have a hard time with. Crime is crime whether by a knife, gun, club or????. So show me that gun revocation could likely lead to incr crime rates, and don't use NRA sites, etc. I'm not saying either way, if you want to make a point, I would be interested in your research, until then I'm with the position that gun revocation would not lead to an incr crime rate. OTOH, I would feel naked on interstate trips and the sort. It might lead to isolated case where people were now victimized by not being able to defend themselves, but as a major crime rate incr, I don't see it; let's see your objective imperical data. QuoteIt's pretty much the same thing as a sign like this? Also, though you label him a 'conservative', how do you know the sign owner isn't a pro-gun liberal like yourself? (one who is passionate about his political beliefs and isn't scared to make very direct notice to the fact). The whole signage to attract attention and wear your politics on your sleeve is a product of a sick extremist. See how conservatives need to root people out and label them? I'm a vegetarian, I abhore hunting, I would never consider physically labeling hunters to show my position on the issue. It's about extremism; the way I see it, they hang more on the right than the left. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #21 April 25, 2010 QuoteQuoteSame with pro-choice vs anti-choice I guess. Extremism is easily found with anti-choice type protocols. Anti-gun, anti-abortion, anti-taxation, etc. I don't subscribe to prohibitionists in virtually all cases, but then we have the other end, the type that wants no controls, no taxes, etc....they are as whacky as the other en. I'm good with this. Note Extremism is easily found with the pro-choice types too since you single out one side typically - (abortion on demand right up to the ninth month and gov pays).... That is extremism, late term abortions are not advocated by the masses. But you want to take a few and have them represent the masses who support abortion rights??? Why? Actually, I think 3 things should happen to mediate to all: 1) Abortions illegal 2) Single payer HC 3) Free condoms, vasectomies, tubilagations, and sex education which is mandatory in schools. The moralists would be happy with the outlawed abortions since it is about the welfare of people, right? The left would be happy, HC for everyone as it is about the people, right? And we would have a more responsible society. Yet we have the nutty moralists saying NO ABORTIONS, IT'S BAD TO HURT PEOPLE; CARE FOR PEOPLE.... HC...uh, no, fuck people. The the libs saying to GIVE US HC, HOW CAN YOU BE SO INSENSITIVE AS TO NOT CARE ABOUT PEOPLE..... uh, abortions? Nah, fuck that, they aren't people yet. So the hypocrisy goes both ways, I say we appease both sides with the above 3 measures. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #22 April 25, 2010 QuoteYou have to establish that gun revocation leads to increased crime. no I don't - "if" it results that way, are the extreme anti-gunners complicit? simple The whole signage to attract attention and wear your politics on your sleeve is a product of a sick extremist. and you contend this is only a "conservative" symptom? I don't know what to say to that other than NUTS- reference your own reasonable notes about nutjobs on both sides of all arguments ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #23 April 25, 2010 QuoteQuoteAnswer the question. Why? - "where do you draw the fine line" debates are tedious and non-productive. This is about general freedoms in the major sense, not pissy details. (Answer the question? Inmates shouldn't be armed.) Your turn - you belief in a 40-60% tax bracket - So, to answer an annoying repetitive question equivalent to John's, did you overpay to 40-60% this year? {{cloudy weekend days suck, jumping is more fun than killing time here - Gotta go workout, I'll check in later}} Because it's dishonest to avoid basic questions: Do you think convicted felons have a right to bear arms? The question wasn't that of inmates, it was that of convicted felons; the obvious inference was that of released fleons on parole or even affter their parole is expired. Care to answer? >>>>>>> Your turn - you belief in a 40-60% tax bracket - So, to answer an annoying repetitive question equivalent to John's, did you overpay to 40-60% this year? I love to answer questions. I see you have thread drifted, but that's ok. 40-60% TOP MARGINAL RATE is what I refer to as being optimal. In my piss-poor brkt, no. When the top 20% hold 93% of all cash, how is it logical to tax that group (far lower end))virtually at all? to ask the bottom few % to pay what they don't have is ridiculous. I drive a 1996 car with >200k miles and you think it's workable to pay 40-60%? Or are you posturing. I answered your question, why not take this thread back to it's place and start a new taxation thread or hijack an existing one for this debate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #24 April 25, 2010 QuoteThat is extremism, late term abortions are not advocated by the masses. But you want to take a few and have them represent the masses who support abortion rights??? absolutely not - hopefully no more than you are characterizing all lifers as equivalent to those that would force a rape victim to die of pregnancy complications. I thought we were talking about the far nuts on these topics. You can't have it one way and then switch to try and extrapolate a straw man. (you can, but it's a crappy technique that's abused here alread) I'm pro choice - but my issue is there are a lot real idiots out there making really bad choices - but we still have to ensure rights to all citizens - and that includes idiots Edit: wasn't this a 2nd amendment thread? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #25 April 25, 2010 oops - you went from decently discussing to your -less than courteous- mode and I won't continue to support that here If you like, you can claim a win if that helps I'm out - really need to work out blue skies, maybe next time we'll get a few posts farther along ... 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christelsabine 1 #2 April 25, 2010 Quote My brother in law sent this pic. I think it's great. Wonderful flowers in full blossom - what's written on the panel?? And why the red arrow? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #3 April 25, 2010 Quote My brother in law sent this pic. I think it's great. I dunno man. I just don't see it. What the F is your brother in law doing with the duck and a hose?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #4 April 25, 2010 Sorry the original was so small. Try again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #5 April 25, 2010 Got the big pic out. Now take a look. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #6 April 25, 2010 But . . . it's fake. It's not even a good fake. WTF?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #7 April 25, 2010 Quote But . . . it's fake. It's not even a good fake. WTF? Really? I'm no photo analyst. It looked real to me. I like it. Sometimes when gun haters really get on a roll with their diatribes, I like to ask them if they'd please put up a sign in their front yard telling the world they're unarmed. Not one has dared to do it yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #8 April 25, 2010 Quote Quote But . . . it's fake. It's not even a good fake. WTF? Really? I'm no photo analyst. It looked real to me. I like it. Sometimes when gun haters really get on a roll with their diatribes, I like to ask them if they'd please put up a sign in their front yard telling the world they're unarmed. Not one has dared to do it yet. Yeah, it's a fake. There is absolutely no perspective on the sign at all (except metaphorically). So anyway, score gun vs anti-gun; 0-0. It appears that while the anti-gun folks aren't willing to put up signs, neither are the pro-gun folks willing to put up signs about their neighbors. I take that as a good sign. To actually put up a sign like that would be pretty assholeish. As for people putting or not putting signs in front of their yards in general, I'm going to have to take a photo of a house in my neighborhood. Perfectly fine neighborhood except the village paranoid that has a metric crap load of "no trespassing" and "violators will be shot" kinds of crap. OK, so random people probably aren't going to walk up to his house, but only because people think he's fuckin' nuts.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #9 April 25, 2010 Nice lawn (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #10 April 25, 2010 Quote Nice lawn Jesus, yes! Looks like beeing cut with a nail scissor - I never saw something green like that anywhere in Germany dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #11 April 25, 2010 QuoteI take that as a good sign. To actually put up a sign like that would be pretty assholeish. Beyond that, they would be complicit if that neighbor was robbed, assaulted, murdered, etc. But that's how idiotic conservatives roll. Me, I'm a liberal who is extremely pro-gun, but I have the cooth to let others be anti-gun w/o tagging them. Just a liberal, 'live and let live' thing I guess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #12 April 25, 2010 Quote Just a liberal, 'live and let live' thing I guess. "live and let live liberal" anti-gunner chooses not to own guns but lets other decide for themselves "other liberal" anti-gunner chooses not to own guns and pushes for legislation for others not to own guns either glad you are the first kind you can label that "liberal" if you like, but a lot of others here that also label themselves 'liberal' are the second kind that's what you get with labels.....a more accurate label, instead of lib vs cons - would be pro or anti "right to bear arms" ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,154 #13 April 25, 2010 Quote Quote Just a liberal, 'live and let live' thing I guess. "live and let live liberal" anti-gunner chooses not to own guns but lets other decide for themselves "other liberal" anti-gunner chooses not to own guns and pushes for legislation for others not to own guns either glad you are the first kind you can label that "liberal" if you like, but a lot of others here that also label themselves 'liberal' are the second kind that's what you get with labels.....a more accurate label, instead of lib vs cons - would be pro or anti "right to bear arms" Do you think convicted felons have a right to bear arms?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #14 April 25, 2010 QuoteDo you think convicted felons have a right to bear arms? how much extra tax did you volunteer to pay this April? (Convicted? I guess that depends on the rules the jail has for their inmates?) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #15 April 25, 2010 QuoteBeyond that, they would be complicit if that neighbor was robbed, assaulted, murdered, etc. But that's how idiotic conservatives roll. So, if those "other" liberal anti-gunners get their way and criminalize all guns in the nation and get all guns taken from law abiding citizens (and John's convicts too apparently) - then would you agree that they would be complicit in the mass crime wave that (in some theories) follow? It's pretty much the same thing as a sign like this. Though if the neighbor gets his way, it's equivalent to putting that sign in every yard. Also, though you label him a 'conservative', how do you know the sign owner isn't a pro-gun liberal like yourself? (one who is passionate about his political beliefs and isn't scared to make very direct notice to the fact). ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #16 April 25, 2010 Quote Quote Just a liberal, 'live and let live' thing I guess. "live and let live liberal" anti-gunner chooses not to own guns but lets other decide for themselves "other liberal" anti-gunner chooses not to own guns and pushes for legislation for others not to own guns either glad you are the first kind you can label that "liberal" if you like, but a lot of others here that also label themselves 'liberal' are the second kind that's what you get with labels.....a more accurate label, instead of lib vs cons - would be pro or anti "right to bear arms" Same with pro-choice vs anti-choice I guess. Extremism is easily found with anti-choice type protocols. Anti-gun, anti-abortion, anti-taxation, etc. I don't subscribe to prohibitionists in virtually all cases, but then we have the other end, the type that wants no controls, no taxes, etc....they are as whacky as the other en. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #17 April 25, 2010 QuoteQuoteDo you think convicted felons have a right to bear arms? how much extra tax did you volunteer to pay this April? (Convicted? I guess that depends on the rules the jail has for their inmates?) Answer the question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #18 April 25, 2010 QuoteSame with pro-choice vs anti-choice I guess. Extremism is easily found with anti-choice type protocols. Anti-gun, anti-abortion, anti-taxation, etc. I don't subscribe to prohibitionists in virtually all cases, but then we have the other end, the type that wants no controls, no taxes, etc....they are as whacky as the other en. I'm good with this. Note Extremism is easily found with the pro-choice types too since you single out one side typically - (abortion on demand right up to the ninth month and gov pays).... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #19 April 25, 2010 QuoteAnswer the question. Why? - "where do you draw the fine line" debates are tedious and non-productive. This is about general freedoms in the major sense, not pissy details. (Answer the question? Inmates shouldn't be armed.) Your turn - you belief in a 40-60% tax bracket - So, to answer an annoying repetitive question equivalent to John's, did you overpay to 40-60% this year? {{cloudy weekend days suck, jumping is more fun than killing time here - Gotta go workout, I'll check in later}} ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #20 April 25, 2010 QuoteSo, if those "other" liberal anti-gunners get their way and criminalize all guns in the nation and get all guns taken from law abiding citizens (and John's convicts too apparently) - then would you agree that they would be complicit in the mass crime wave that (in some theories) follow? You have to establish that gun revocation leads to increased crime. The, "in some theories" is teh part I have a hard time with. Crime is crime whether by a knife, gun, club or????. So show me that gun revocation could likely lead to incr crime rates, and don't use NRA sites, etc. I'm not saying either way, if you want to make a point, I would be interested in your research, until then I'm with the position that gun revocation would not lead to an incr crime rate. OTOH, I would feel naked on interstate trips and the sort. It might lead to isolated case where people were now victimized by not being able to defend themselves, but as a major crime rate incr, I don't see it; let's see your objective imperical data. QuoteIt's pretty much the same thing as a sign like this? Also, though you label him a 'conservative', how do you know the sign owner isn't a pro-gun liberal like yourself? (one who is passionate about his political beliefs and isn't scared to make very direct notice to the fact). The whole signage to attract attention and wear your politics on your sleeve is a product of a sick extremist. See how conservatives need to root people out and label them? I'm a vegetarian, I abhore hunting, I would never consider physically labeling hunters to show my position on the issue. It's about extremism; the way I see it, they hang more on the right than the left. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #21 April 25, 2010 QuoteQuoteSame with pro-choice vs anti-choice I guess. Extremism is easily found with anti-choice type protocols. Anti-gun, anti-abortion, anti-taxation, etc. I don't subscribe to prohibitionists in virtually all cases, but then we have the other end, the type that wants no controls, no taxes, etc....they are as whacky as the other en. I'm good with this. Note Extremism is easily found with the pro-choice types too since you single out one side typically - (abortion on demand right up to the ninth month and gov pays).... That is extremism, late term abortions are not advocated by the masses. But you want to take a few and have them represent the masses who support abortion rights??? Why? Actually, I think 3 things should happen to mediate to all: 1) Abortions illegal 2) Single payer HC 3) Free condoms, vasectomies, tubilagations, and sex education which is mandatory in schools. The moralists would be happy with the outlawed abortions since it is about the welfare of people, right? The left would be happy, HC for everyone as it is about the people, right? And we would have a more responsible society. Yet we have the nutty moralists saying NO ABORTIONS, IT'S BAD TO HURT PEOPLE; CARE FOR PEOPLE.... HC...uh, no, fuck people. The the libs saying to GIVE US HC, HOW CAN YOU BE SO INSENSITIVE AS TO NOT CARE ABOUT PEOPLE..... uh, abortions? Nah, fuck that, they aren't people yet. So the hypocrisy goes both ways, I say we appease both sides with the above 3 measures. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #22 April 25, 2010 QuoteYou have to establish that gun revocation leads to increased crime. no I don't - "if" it results that way, are the extreme anti-gunners complicit? simple The whole signage to attract attention and wear your politics on your sleeve is a product of a sick extremist. and you contend this is only a "conservative" symptom? I don't know what to say to that other than NUTS- reference your own reasonable notes about nutjobs on both sides of all arguments ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #23 April 25, 2010 QuoteQuoteAnswer the question. Why? - "where do you draw the fine line" debates are tedious and non-productive. This is about general freedoms in the major sense, not pissy details. (Answer the question? Inmates shouldn't be armed.) Your turn - you belief in a 40-60% tax bracket - So, to answer an annoying repetitive question equivalent to John's, did you overpay to 40-60% this year? {{cloudy weekend days suck, jumping is more fun than killing time here - Gotta go workout, I'll check in later}} Because it's dishonest to avoid basic questions: Do you think convicted felons have a right to bear arms? The question wasn't that of inmates, it was that of convicted felons; the obvious inference was that of released fleons on parole or even affter their parole is expired. Care to answer? >>>>>>> Your turn - you belief in a 40-60% tax bracket - So, to answer an annoying repetitive question equivalent to John's, did you overpay to 40-60% this year? I love to answer questions. I see you have thread drifted, but that's ok. 40-60% TOP MARGINAL RATE is what I refer to as being optimal. In my piss-poor brkt, no. When the top 20% hold 93% of all cash, how is it logical to tax that group (far lower end))virtually at all? to ask the bottom few % to pay what they don't have is ridiculous. I drive a 1996 car with >200k miles and you think it's workable to pay 40-60%? Or are you posturing. I answered your question, why not take this thread back to it's place and start a new taxation thread or hijack an existing one for this debate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #24 April 25, 2010 QuoteThat is extremism, late term abortions are not advocated by the masses. But you want to take a few and have them represent the masses who support abortion rights??? absolutely not - hopefully no more than you are characterizing all lifers as equivalent to those that would force a rape victim to die of pregnancy complications. I thought we were talking about the far nuts on these topics. You can't have it one way and then switch to try and extrapolate a straw man. (you can, but it's a crappy technique that's abused here alread) I'm pro choice - but my issue is there are a lot real idiots out there making really bad choices - but we still have to ensure rights to all citizens - and that includes idiots Edit: wasn't this a 2nd amendment thread? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #25 April 25, 2010 oops - you went from decently discussing to your -less than courteous- mode and I won't continue to support that here If you like, you can claim a win if that helps I'm out - really need to work out blue skies, maybe next time we'll get a few posts farther along ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
