Gay group discriminates against Bisexuals

[JohnRich 4]

This one fits right in with all the other "discrimination" threads we're having fun with.

News:

Bisexual men sue gay group, claim bias

Three bisexual men are suing a national gay-athletic organization, saying they were discriminated against during the Gay Softball World Series, because they were not gay enough...

Source: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2011657770_lawsuit21m.html

It seems that bisexuals are gay at least part of the time, right? But I guess the gay softball folks want players to be gay ALL the time, with no straying to the other side, ever!

[piisfish 140]

heterosexuals should be able to play too. What happens under the showers after the game stays in the showers.

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[captain1976 0]

Why does anybody even give a shit about ones sexual preference ? I'm so sick of even hearing about gays, straights, bi's, etc. Who gives a fuck!

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[airdvr 210]

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Why does anybody even give a shit about ones sexual preference ? I'm so sick of even hearing about gays, straights, bi's, etc. Who gives a fuck!

Well, we need to know which team you're playing for first.

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[Andy9o8 3]

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Why does anybody even give a shit about ones sexual preference ? I'm so sick of even hearing about gays, straights, bi's, etc. Who gives a fuck!

You're, uh, easily provoked, aren't you?

[turtlespeed 226]

I believe that Bi's should be allowed in the Gay softball league just as much as the girls should be allowed to join the boyscouts.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[JohnRich 4]

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I believe that Bi's should be allowed in the Gay softball league just as much as the girls should be allowed to join the boyscouts.

Not unless they're lesbians and wear strap-on's occasionally, simulating the role of a man. Then we'll have to inquire how often they do that, to judge whether they are "man enough".

But I'm glad you mentioned the Boy Scouts, because they took a lot of heat for banning gay scoutmasters.

This gay athletic league says in their defense:

"the alliance is a private organization and, as such, can determine its membership based on its goals."

I wonder if they feel that this same principle is okay for the Boy Scouts to use to discriminate against them?

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I believe that Bi's should be allowed in the Gay softball league just as much as the girls should be allowed to join the boyscouts.

Not unless they're lesbians and wear strap-on's occasionally, simulating the role of a man. Then we'll have to inquire how often they do that, to judge whether they are "man enough".

But I'm glad you mentioned the Boy Scouts, because they took a lot of heat for banning gay scoutmasters.

This gay athletic league says in their defense:

"the alliance is a private organization and, as such, can determine its membership based on its goals."

I wonder if they feel that this same principle is okay for the Boy Scouts to use to discriminate against them?

I would think so - but, alas, I have not been witness to what i would consider logic in this case. The Gay community would only argue anatomy in this case as opposed to sexuality.

It just depends on what the goal is when you are determining the "facts" of the argument.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[turtlespeed 226]

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. . . because they were not gay enough...

So this brings the question . . . Not unlike the famous tootsie pop question - (whis is three by the way) but how many dick (cocks if you prefer) do you have to suck to be considered gay enough?

Are you gay enough if you are a catcher when you are not pitching to women?

What exactly is the criteria these days?

Are you gay enough if most of the time, or almost every time, you take it up the ol' poop chute have homosexual relations, but occasionally are "Girl Curious"?

Does this league discriminate on gender? Are lesbians allowed to play with the men . . . as men?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[rhaig 0]

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I believe that Bi's should be allowed in the Gay softball league just as much as the girls should be allowed to join the boyscouts.

there's a great co-ed program called Venture Scouts that the BSA runs. I wish they would extend the co-ed option down into scouting as well. (I say option, because there exist mail only venture crews at the option of the chartering organization. Though it's rare.)
http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/Venturing/About/venturing.aspx

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[RonD1120 62]

"It's not nice to fool Mother Nature." ~Unknown from TV commercial.

I agree with Captain 1976, who cares who sleeps with whom? (Is that correct?)

The ridiculous anger producing stupidity of it all is queers expecting special rights for their ridiculous stupid choices.

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[RonD1120 62]

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I believe that Bi's should be allowed in the Gay softball league just as much as the girls should be allowed to join the boyscouts.

Do you know when a Cub Scout becomes a Boy Scout?

Answer: When he eats his first Brownie.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RackJR 0]

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The ridiculous anger producing stupidity of it all is queers expecting special rights for their ridiculous stupid choices.

Or just the same rights as everyone else?

People with attitudes just like this :

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for their ridiculous stupid choices.

have forced them to fight for those rights.

Ron, how old were you when you "chose" to be straight? Give us an outline of that thought process, if you will. Was it a difficult "choice"? I myself can't remember "choosing" to be straight. It was just kinda how it happened. But I'm pretty curious to hear from someone who obviously thinks that sexuality is a choice. What swayed you? What did you mull over, as the pro's and con's?

Do you think it's a religious thing, that you feel better being on the side with the most people? Do you have to take care in your life, to make sure that you're never in the minority?

Say what you mean. Do what you say.

[RonD1120 62]

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The ridiculous anger producing stupidity of it all is queers expecting special rights for their ridiculous stupid choices.

Or just the same rights as everyone else?

People with attitudes just like this :

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for their ridiculous stupid choices.

have forced them to fight for those rights.

Ron, how old were you when you "chose" to be straight? Give us an outline of that thought process, if you will. Was it a difficult "choice"? I myself can't remember "choosing" to be straight. It was just kinda how it happened. But I'm pretty curious to hear from someone who obviously thinks that sexuality is a choice. What swayed you? What did you mull over, as the pro's and con's?

Do you think it's a religious thing, that you feel better being on the side with the most people? Do you have to take care in your life, to make sure that you're never in the minority?

Not quite sure how to respond.

First, homosexuals have the right to a private sex life the same as heterosexuals. They do not have a right to be praised and patted on the head in public for their choice.

Second, heterosexuals have pleasure in procreation. Homosexuals have pleasure only. Seeking pleasure is a choice regarding how and when. The ability to defer gratification is an aspect of maturity. People can control their sex lives. Ergo, homosexuality is a choice for pleasure only and should be kept private.

Third, I did not choose to pursue a natural, normal sex life. Males and females complement one another. Homosexuals do not complement one another again, indicating a preference choice.

Fourth, I have always been in a minority classification of one sort or another. You have to make the best of it. It is an individual responsibility to cope. It is not everyone else's responsibility to change. Man up!

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[Belgian_Draft 0]

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heterosexuals should be able to play too. What happens under the showers after the game stays in the showers.

That's disgusting. They should at least wash down the walls and floors when they are done.

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[JohnMitchell 16]

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But I guess the gay softball folks want players to be gay ALL the time, with no straying to the other side, ever!

Don't the full time gays (would that be "straight gays"?) realize the great advantage in softball and baseball of being able to bat both ways?

[RackJR 0]

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First, homosexuals have the right to a private sex life the same as heterosexuals. They do not have a right to be praised and patted on the head in public for their choice.

hmmm. Did you read the article? No one was asking for a pat on the back, or on the head, for any choice, or anything else. I don't recall anyone else, besides you, bringing this up. Since you've emphasized the exact same thing in other threads, regardless of the thread topic, I'm curious: As a "good christian", do you feel it's your job to act as the anti-queer jack-in-the-box? Whenever the subject of homosexuality comes up, you pop up and blurt out "THEY DON'T DESERVE SPECIAL TREATMENT" regardless of the topic, as if Pavlov had joined the thread and rang the bell just for you, and this is your conditioned response?

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Second, heterosexuals have pleasure in procreation.

So, you're saying that you only feel pleasure if procreation is the result? No one can honestly say that. The truth is that sexual gratification feels good, whether it is "successful" or not. It also feels good whether you are in the majority (hetero) or in the minority (homo). It's the result of billions of years of evolution. The creatures that felt pleasure from the act were more likely to do it, and the more times you do it, the more chances for success you have. Homosexual behavior exists all over the place in the natural world. They still give it a shot, so to speak, even though it's not going to be "successful". It still feels good.

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Ergo, homosexuality is a choice for pleasure only and should be kept private.

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Third, I did not choose to pursue a natural, normal sex life.

So, you didn't choose, but they did? The fact is that you had nothing to do with the matter. You were attracted to women before you really even knew what was going on. That's just the way your wiring is. Face it. They didn't either. They're attracted to men before they even know what's going on. It's just the way they are.

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Third, I did not choose to pursue a natural, normal sex life. Males and females complement one another. Homosexuals do not complement one another again, indicating a preference choice.

You didn't choose. They didn't choose. I bet if they could choose, a lot of them might choose to be attracted to women. I don't know for sure, just guessing. But when so many people like you spend so much time spewing this hate, could you blame them for taking the easy way out, and choosing the other side? But you have to keep calling it a choice, right, so you can keep on seeing them as different from you? It's not easy to hate someone who you see as the same.

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Fourth, I have always been in a minority classification of one sort or another. You have to make the best of it. It is an individual responsibility to cope. It is not everyone else's responsibility to change. Man up!

You're a christian hetero. Yeah you really sound like the minority. I'm white. You white Ron? I'll keep my guesses to myself. However, I will point out that I think John posted this to begin with, because you don't often see people who've been so discriminated against, discriminating against others (I have no idea if they actually discriminated or not). You make more than your share of hateful posts. Ergo I seriously doubt you're in anything that could realistically be called a minority. Is this what you call "manning up"?

The world will be a better place when attitudes like this simply die off. Unfortunately, the bigots of today will be replaced by bigots tomorrow, who will find reasons to hate and vilify someone new. Maybe, like you, they'll use your 2000 year old book as the reason. Maybe they'll make up a new one. The reason doesn't really matter, it's just the excuse you use to marginalize someone else.

Say what you mean. Do what you say.

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First, homosexuals have the right to a private sex life the same as heterosexuals. They do not have a right to be praised and patted on the head in public for their choice.

hmmm. Did you read the article? No one was asking for a pat on the back, or on the head, for any choice, or anything else. I don't recall anyone else, besides you, bringing this up. Since you've emphasized the exact same thing in other threads, regardless of the thread topic, I'm curious: As a "good christian", do you feel it's your job to act as the anti-queer jack-in-the-box? Whenever the subject of homosexuality comes up, you pop up and blurt out "THEY DON'T DESERVE SPECIAL TREATMENT" regardless of the topic, as if Pavlov had joined the thread and rang the bell just for you, and this is your conditioned response?

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Second, heterosexuals have pleasure in procreation.

So, you're saying that you only feel pleasure if procreation is the result? No one can honestly say that. The truth is that sexual gratification feels good, whether it is "successful" or not. It also feels good whether you are in the majority (hetero) or in the minority (homo). It's the result of billions of years of evolution. The creatures that felt pleasure from the act were more likely to do it, and the more times you do it, the more chances for success you have. Homosexual behavior exists all over the place in the natural world. They still give it a shot, so to speak, even though it's not going to be "successful". It still feels good.

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Ergo, homosexuality is a choice for pleasure only and should be kept private.

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Third, I did not choose to pursue a natural, normal sex life.

So, you didn't choose, but they did? The fact is that you had nothing to do with the matter. You were attracted to women before you really even knew what was going on. That's just the way your wiring is. Face it. They didn't either. They're attracted to men before they even know what's going on. It's just the way they are.

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Third, I did not choose to pursue a natural, normal sex life. Males and females complement one another. Homosexuals do not complement one another again, indicating a preference choice.

You didn't choose. They didn't choose. I bet if they could choose, a lot of them might choose to be attracted to women. I don't know for sure, just guessing. But when so many people like you spend so much time spewing this hate, could you blame them for taking the easy way out, and choosing the other side? But you have to keep calling it a choice, right, so you can keep on seeing them as different from you? It's not easy to hate someone who you see as the same.

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Fourth, I have always been in a minority classification of one sort or another. You have to make the best of it. It is an individual responsibility to cope. It is not everyone else's responsibility to change. Man up!

You're a christian hetero. Yeah you really sound like the minority. I'm white. You white Ron? I'll keep my guesses to myself. However, I will point out that I think John posted this to begin with, because you don't often see people who've been so discriminated against, discriminating against others (I have no idea if they actually discriminated or not). You make more than your share of hateful posts. Ergo I seriously doubt you're in anything that could realistically be called a minority. Is this what you call "manning up"?

The world will be a better place when attitudes like this simply die off. Unfortunately, the bigots of today will be replaced by bigots tomorrow, who will find reasons to hate and vilify someone new. Maybe, like you, they'll use your 2000 year old book as the reason. Maybe they'll make up a new one. The reason doesn't really matter, it's just the excuse you use to marginalize someone else.

Your assumption of hate is incorrect. I do not hate homosexuals. I just call it the way I see it.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Your assumption of hate is incorrect. I do not hate homosexuals. I just call it the way I see it.

How noble.

But seriously, that's it? Well then, let me spend some time on your post, wonderful in its' brevity.

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Your assumption of hate is incorrect.

I assume nothing. Your original post in this thread included your typical use of the word "queer". You and I have already had this talk, but just to refresh your memory, I'll remind you that the dictionary definition of queer, as it refers to homosexuals, notes that it's usage is disparaging and offensive. The fact that you continue to use it, knowing it is offensive and disparaging, sounds hateful. Is it ok to use the word "nigger" to describe black people? No. It is disparaging and offensive, and I think most black people would call that hateful. How about calling Mexicans "spics"? Calling Jews "kikes"? Do you use all these words too? You went on to describe their "choice" as ridiculous and stupid. Yep. Sounds like you're just brimming with christian love.

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Your assumption of hate is incorrect. I do not hate homosexuals.

You didn't use the word queer here. Maybe it was too much hypocrisy for even you, to deny hating them while simultaneously calling them queer.

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I just call it the way I see it.

Of this I have no doubt.

Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood.
-Coretta Scott King

On the advice of your sig line, I checked out "My Utmost for His Highest". Interestingly, today the quotation is about abraham taking his son up the mount and burning him as an offering to god. Takes some serious mental gymnastics to see this in a metaphorical way, doesn't it? Too bad you can't employ the same gymnastics in your interpretation of all the crap about homosexuals. Lucky for you, you guys get to be really flexible with your decisions on when the bible is the literal word of god, and when it's open to interpretation. But you don't hate them, right?

Say what you mean. Do what you say.

[RonD1120 62]

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Your assumption of hate is incorrect. I do not hate homosexuals. I just call it the way I see it.

But you don't hate them, right?

In my field, mental health/substance use disorder counseling, denial is usually the first obstacle to be dealt with by the client/counselor.

One of my tactics to confront denial was to propose the following examination:

Does your behavior cause a problem with your 1) personal health; 2) family relationships; 3) employment; 4) social interaction? If you answered yes to any of the questions, then you have a problem. It is your problem and you must take responsibility for yourself and your problem.

My conflict is that homosexuals want everyone else to take responsibility for THEIR problem.

When I was in graduate school 1971-73, homosexuality was a treatable illness. It has since been removed from the DSM-IV.

When I was in school, the military, college and sometime later the term "queer" was common terminology. When I lived in the counter culture the common term became "fag" or in some cases "flaming faggot." They were accepted and often entertaining.

When I became a Christian counselor in 1984 the condition took on Scriptural significance as the sin of fornication and an abomination in the eyes of God.

All sin, ALL SIN, can be forgiven and lives can change if the sinner repents and seeks Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. Behaviors are choices that can and will be changed if the sinner CHOOSES to make the change.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[billvon 3,173]

>Ergo, homosexuality is a choice for pleasure only and should be kept private.

They have no more responsibility to keep their sex life private than you have a responsibility to keep your children hidden.

>Third, I did not choose to pursue a natural, normal sex life.

Nor have gays chosen to pursue their natural sex life.

>Homosexuals do not complement one another again,

Some do. Some heterosexuals do not complement each other at all. Depends on the couple.

> indicating a preference choice.

If they made a choice, so did you. You're not that unique.

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When I was in graduate school 1971-73, homosexuality was a treatable illness. It has since been removed from the DSM-IV.

Homosexuality was considered to be a treatable illness. Fortunately the APA is willing to correct the DSM when empirical evidence shows something to be incorrect.

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>Ergo, homosexuality is a choice for pleasure only and should be kept private.

They have no more responsibility to keep their sex life private than you have a responsibility to keep your children hidden.

>Third, I did not choose to pursue a natural, normal sex life.

Nor have gays chosen to pursue their natural sex life.

>Homosexuals do not complement one another again,

Some do. Some heterosexuals do not complement each other at all. Depends on the couple.

> indicating a preference choice.

If they made a choice, so did you. You're not that unique.

I do not accept your position. Refer to my post #20. I stand by that explanation.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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When I was in graduate school 1971-73, homosexuality was a treatable illness. It has since been removed from the DSM-IV.

Actually, it was removed as early as the 1974 printing of the DSM-II. It was replaced with "sexual orientation disturbance" which included "ego-dystonic homosexuality."

Ego-dystonic has to do with whether the person is comfortable with themselves (basically -- yeah, there's more to it than that, but criteria didn't really get described well until DSM-IV from what I've read). So would you characterize a homosexual who is well-integrated into society, happy, productive, and in a lasting relationship with another homosexual as mentally ill? Evil? Confused?

(no, I'm no professional -- just did a little reading and research)

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[billvon 3,173]

>Refer to my post #20.

Your post #20 seems to indicate that when something causes a problem for someone, then it's a pathology that they have to deal with. Which is fine - but that also defines heterosexuality as a bigger problem than homosexuality, since far, far more people have problems with their heterosexuality than people have problems with their homosexuality.

So how do you, as a counselor, help people deal with their problems with heterosexuality?