Give Your Local Cops The Finger

[kkeenan 14]

If you feel that is necessary to express yourself. It seems that it is protected as free speech...

http://www.kctv5.com/news/23161005/detail.html?hpt=T2

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[akarunway 1]

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If you feel that is necessary to express yourself. It seems that it is protected as free speech...

http://www.kctv5.com/news/23161005/detail.html?hpt=T2

Had to be witnesses. Otherwise guess what happens?

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[Andy9o8 2]

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If you feel that is necessary to express yourself. It seems that it is protected as free speech...

http://www.kctv5.com/news/23161005/detail.html?hpt=T2

Had to be witnesses. Otherwise guess what happens?

This:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100415/video/vwl-video-of-cops-beating-student-shocks-89eb865.html

[skyrider 0]

Suicide, trust me there are enough obscure catch all laws out there, That if your dumb enough to flip off a cop, they can bust you for something!

I am surprised this cop was dumb enough to think a bird was illegal, or saying "fuck you" niether one illegal in most states!

[AggieDave 6]

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saying "fuck you" niether one illegal in most states!

That's illegal in Texas, if there is someone with in ear shot whom may be offended. The cop doesn't count, though. Disorderly Conduct: language.

Example: Saying it at a biker bar in conversation? Not really an offense.
Example 2: Screaming it in the middle of a city council meeting? Probably an offense.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[jtnesbitt 0]

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If you feel that is necessary to express yourself. It seems that it is protected as free speech...

http://www.kctv5.com/news/23161005/detail.html?hpt=T2

Had to be witnesses. Otherwise guess what happens?

This:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100415/video/vwl-video-of-cops-beating-student-shocks-89eb865.html

Or this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OB75_22r14

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saying "fuck you" niether one illegal in most states!

That's illegal in Texas, if there is someone with in ear shot whom may be offended. The cop doesn't count, though. Disorderly Conduct: language.

Example: Saying it at a biker bar in conversation? Not really an offense.
Example 2: Screaming it in the middle of a city council meeting? Probably an offense.

That is why I said"Most" stetes....Arkansas will haul yoru ass off for it too!

But what kind of fuckin idiot talks that way to a badge? "suicide"!

[BillyVance 35]

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But what kind of fuckin idiot talks that way to a badge? "suicide"!

Unless the guy with the badge is his buddy.

Hey Dave, FUCK YOU!

Hope to someday meet you in person.

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[AggieDave 6]

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But what kind of fuckin idiot talks that way to a badge? "suicide"!

Unless the guy with the badge is his buddy.

Hey Dave, FUCK YOU!

Hope to someday meet you in person.

WHAT? SPEAK UP!

Someday we'll meet, share some beer and laugh at the other's misfortune of being that person.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

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But what kind of fuckin idiot talks that way to a badge? "suicide"!

Unless the guy with the badge is his buddy.

Hey Dave, FUCK YOU!

Hope to someday meet you in person.

BTW, Dave, our Aussie brothers over at Neds will be coming threw Texas in August, late july....be funny to pull them over! (I know Iknow inapropriate, but gotta admit funny)

[FreeflyChile 0]

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If you feel that is necessary to express yourself. It seems that it is protected as free speech...

http://www.kctv5.com/news/23161005/detail.html?hpt=T2

Regardless of whether or not this is protected, I'd rather not try that with the Chicago PD and suffer the ass-kicking that is sure to follow.

[skyrider 0]

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If you feel that is necessary to express yourself. It seems that it is protected as free speech...

http://www.kctv5.com/news/23161005/detail.html?hpt=T2

Regardless of whether or not this is protected, I'd rather not try that with the Chicago PD and suffer the ass-kicking that is sure to follow.

There are few places it would be a good idea...

OK , NO GOOD PLACES...

[skyrider 0]

Although I knwo a lieing sack of shit sherrif in johnson County Mo, that deserves it!

[akarunway 1]

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If you feel that is necessary to express yourself. It seems that it is protected as free speech...

http://www.kctv5.com/news/23161005/detail.html?hpt=T2

Had to be witnesses. Otherwise guess what happens?

This:>Cardinal sin>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAS_syndrome

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100415/video/vwl-video-of-cops-beating-student-shocks-89eb865.html

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[akarunway 1]

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But what kind of fuckin idiot talks that way to a badge? "suicide"!

Unless the guy with the badge is his buddy.

Hey Dave, FUCK YOU!

Hope to someday meet you in person.

LOL+10

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[JerryBaumchen 1,468]

Hi Kevin,

We have a local guy here in Portland, OR who does it all of the time.

Oregon has the most 'freedom-type' of laws of any state in the nation; believe me, I live here.

Here it is not against the law as we have very strigent 'freedom of expression' laws.

While I would not consider it to be a very bright thing to do, you will not be stopped or ticketed ( for either of those things ) in this state. Maybe for something else that you might have been doing at the same time, but that is another story.

JerryBaumchen

PS) Anyone wanna talk about our walking in the nude in public being allowed laws?

[Amazon 7]

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If you feel that is necessary to express yourself. It seems that it is protected as free speech...

http://www.kctv5.com/news/23161005/detail.html?hpt=T2

If my radar detector is going off I give them a BIG THUMBS DOWN as I go past them.

Its just my way of showing support for the low life piece of shit that pulled me over BECAUSE I had a radar detector... its not illegal here but my detector was going off with the FRIGGIN Spectre and I was not speeding. The "judge" did not even want to hear a not guilty... in a he said she said it seems the cops are always right around this county

I am thinking what is needed is an HYPOCRITES of the INJUSTICE SYSTEM... website. Follow the fucking judges and cops around for a few hours with a dash cam setup showing their speed on the GPS unit with them on camera.

I have since replaced my detector with one that is radar detector detector ( Spectre) proof... for now at least.

[Andy9o8 2]

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saying "fuck you" niether one illegal in most states!

That's illegal in Texas, if there is someone with in ear shot whom may be offended.

Then that portion of the Texas statute, and/or manner of enforcing it, is unconstitutional.

[JohnMitchell 16]

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Then that portion of the Texas statute, and/or manner of enforcing it, is unconstitutional.

Agreed. Part and parcel of living in a free society is tolerating things you find offensive.

I'm glad to see the Kansas man win his case. I'm sickened (once again) to see the police brutality in Maryland. The proliferation of public video surveillance is ostensibly to fight crime. Ironic that some of the crimes caught on tape are perpetrated by the police.

Edited to add that the young man in Maryland would never have had a chance in court without that tape. The Blue Ranks close too quickly.

[AggieDave 6]

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saying "fuck you" niether one illegal in most states!

That's illegal in Texas, if there is someone with in ear shot whom may be offended.

Then that portion of the Texas statute, and/or manner of enforcing it, is unconstitutional.

It has stood up in court previously. You have access, check Lexus-Nexus and look at the case law. The reason why is due to the language of the statute in regards to a breach of the peace. Now, what you may disagree as to what constitutes a breach of the peace, but there is a bit of case law backing the statute up. That doesn't mean that tomorrow a new case will get kicked all the way up through the court system that then disallows the statute as written, though.

Here's the statute so you can see the language and make your own choice.

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Sec. 42.01. DISORDERLY CONDUCT. (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly:

(1) uses abusive, indecent, profane, or vulgar language in a public place, and the language by its very utterance tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace;

(2) makes an offensive gesture or display in a public place, and the gesture or display tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace;

(3) creates, by chemical means, a noxious and unreasonable odor in a public place;

(4) abuses or threatens a person in a public place in an obviously offensive manner;

(5) makes unreasonable noise in a public place other than a sport shooting range, as defined by Section 250.001, Local Government Code, or in or near a private residence that he has no right to occupy;

(6) fights with another in a public place;

(7) discharges a firearm in a public place other than a public road or a sport shooting range, as defined by Section 250.001, Local Government Code;

(8) displays a firearm or other deadly weapon in a public place in a manner calculated to alarm;

(9) discharges a firearm on or across a public road;

(10) exposes his anus or genitals in a public place and is reckless about whether another may be present who will be offended or alarmed by his act; or

(11) for a lewd or unlawful purpose:

(A) enters on the property of another and looks into a dwelling on the property through any window or other opening in the dwelling;

(B) while on the premises of a hotel or comparable establishment, looks into a guest room not the person's own through a window or other opening in the room; or

(C) while on the premises of a public place, looks into an area such as a restroom or shower stall or changing or dressing room that is designed to provide privacy to a person using the area.

(b) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(4) that the actor had significant provocation for his abusive or threatening conduct.

(c) For purposes of this section:

(1) an act is deemed to occur in a public place or near a private residence if it produces its offensive or proscribed consequences in the public place or near a private residence; and

(2) a noise is presumed to be unreasonable if the noise exceeds a decibel level of 85 after the person making the noise receives notice from a magistrate or peace officer that the noise is a public nuisance.

(d) An offense under this section is a Class C misdemeanor unless committed under Subsection (a)(7) or (a)(8), in which event it is a Class B misdemeanor.

(e) It is a defense to prosecution for an offense under Subsection (a)(7) or (9) that the person who discharged the firearm had a reasonable fear of bodily injury to the person or to another by a dangerous wild animal as defined by Section 822.101, Health and Safety Code.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, Sec. 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. Amended by Acts 1977, 65th Leg., p. 181, ch. 89, Sec. 1, 2, eff. Aug. 29, 1977; Acts 1983, 68th Leg., p. 4641, ch. 800, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1983; Acts 1991, 72nd Leg., ch. 145, Sec. 2, eff. Aug. 26, 1991; Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, Sec. 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994; Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 318, Sec. 14, eff. Sept. 1, 1995; Acts 2001, 77th Leg., ch. 54, Sec. 4, eff. Sept. 1, 2001; Acts 2003, 78th Leg., ch. 389, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 2003.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[Andy9o8 2]

I'll do a Texas-specific search later when I have time; but I'm pretty familiar with this issue, as I've done a lot of criminal law, both defense and prosecution, in a few jurisdictions. Historically, disorderly conduct statutes (not unlike the old "vagrancy" statutes, most of which no longer exist any more) have a long history of being abused as a tool for LEOs to deal with people who are publicly obnoxious, but not otherwise criminal.

As for how the courts deal with this: also historically, the trend is for state-level courts (especially lower-court judges, who deal with local cops all the time) to be a lot more tolerant of this; but when those rulings then get shifted over to federal courts on US Constitutional grounds, the federal courts very frequently slap the disorderly conduct statutes and/or their "creative" enforcement down as unconstitutional. That's the basis for my previous post.

[NovaTTT 2]

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I am surprised this cop was dumb enough to think a bird was illegal, or saying "fuck you" niether one illegal in most states!

While not illegal, in Georgia there is a "fighting words" statute. If one's words incite another to a reasonable level of violence - such as a good old fashioned ass-whooping - it is justifiable.

I don't know if this is still on the books or if other states have similar statutes.

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(1) uses abusive, indecent, profane, or vulgar language in a public place, and the language by its very utterance tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace;

Who defines "immediate breach of the peace"? The judge, presumably, who will likely and should dismiss the charge, for simply saying "fuck you" to another.

That doesn't mean the asshole who's yelling it doesn't still get ticketed or even spend a night in the pokey. Sometimes, from the police perspective, it's not the outcome but the procedural hassles an offender has to go through that makes it worthwhile.

Such as locking a D&D up for the night instead of taking him home because he was a real asshole to the officer. For the sake of this example, let's not get tied up with liabilities or rulebook procedures. If an officer has never taken a D&D home based on discretionary judgment he's not been around long enough.

"Even in a world where perfection is unattainable, there's still a difference between excellence and mediocrity." Gary73

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saying "fuck you" niether one illegal in most states!

That's illegal in Texas, if there is someone with in ear shot whom may be offended.

Then that portion of the Texas statute, and/or manner of enforcing it, is unconstitutional.

It has stood up in court previously. You have access, check Lexus-Nexus and look at the case law. The reason why is due to the language of the statute in regards to a breach of the peace. Now, what you may disagree as to what constitutes a breach of the peace, but there is a bit of case law backing the statute up. That doesn't mean that tomorrow a new case will get kicked all the way up through the court system that then disallows the statute as written, though.

Here's the statute so you can see the language and make your own choice.

***Sec. 42.01. DISORDERLY CONDUCT. (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly:

(1) uses abusive, indecent, profane, or vulgar language in a public place, and the language by its very utterance tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace;

Who gets to decide what is indecent, profane or vulgar? That right there should be a clue how screwed up this law is.

Gotta love Texas. The most immoral moral state around.

[Andy9o8 2]

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Gotta love Texas. The most immoral moral state around.

Like many states, it sure has its own unique character; but as far as I know (and I invite correction), it's the only state where a civilian is allowed to back-shoot a criminal suspect, even if he's unarmed, when he is in the process of running away from committing a strictly property crime. (While I don't approve, it's not really a bash; more of a clinical observation.)