Japanese Whale Catch down by half - Good Job Sea Sheperds

[mnealtx 0]

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I think the show was much more about making money than anything.

That's the driving force behind any of the 'reality' shows.

Drama = viewers

Viewers = sponsors

Sponsors = money

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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...and Money = More small boats for the Japanese to sink.

HAMMER:
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[mnealtx 0]

Methinks the Sea Shepherds aren't very conversant with the laws of navigation - larger vessels have right of way over smaller, less maneuverable have right of way over more maneuverable, etc...

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Nothing like using a ten-gazillion dollar carbon fiber speedboat as a wheel chock for a whaler.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

[billvon 3,120]

>and Money = More small boats for the Japanese to sink.

Agreed, but that would end up getting them shut down even more rapidly. Right now the Japanese whalers are seen as somewhat evil but heavily harassed victims of some eco-nuts. If that perception changes to "somewhat evil killers" there will very rapidly be navies who see Japanese whalers as good options for target practice.

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>and Money = More small boats for the Japanese to sink.

Agreed, but that would end up getting them shut down even more rapidly. Right now the Japanese whalers are seen as somewhat evil but heavily harassed victims of some eco-nuts. If that perception changes to "somewhat evil killers" there will very rapidly be navies who see Japanese whalers as good options for target practice.

A common tactic of the Sea Shepherds was to try to foul the prop of the Japanese boats with a cable. During a storm a ship with no power is a sitting duck - unable to steer and subject to being swamped. Should the Japanese captain not attempt to defend themselves?

The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

[billvon 3,120]

>Should the Japanese captain not attempt to defend themselves?

If he wants to be whaling in ten years - then his best course of action is to avoid the cable rather than ramming the activist's ship.

Let's take another case. You are demonstrating for your cause outside a courthouse. An opposing protester gets in your face, yells at you, and pushes you. He says he'll kill you if he gets the chance. The reporters hear the commotion, and their cameras all turn your way. You have a gun; should you draw it and "defend" yourself? Or should you get up and walk away? Which will result in your desired outcome?

[popsjumper 2]

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>Should the Japanese captain not attempt to defend themselves?

If he wants to be whaling in ten years - then his best course of action is to avoid the cable rather than ramming the activist's ship.

Let's take another case. You are demonstrating for your cause outside a courthouse. An opposing protester gets in your face, yells at you, and pushes you. He says he'll kill you if he gets the chance. The reporters hear the commotion, and their cameras all turn your way. You have a gun; should you draw it and "defend" yourself? Or should you get up and walk away? Which will result in your desired outcome?

Well, if he pulls a weapon and tries to do it, then yes, pop his ass before he pops you.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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>and Money = More small boats for the Japanese to sink.

Agreed, but that would end up getting them shut down even more rapidly. Right now the Japanese whalers are seen as somewhat evil but heavily harassed victims of some eco-nuts. If that perception changes to "somewhat evil killers" there will very rapidly be navies who see Japanese whalers as good options for target practice.

Oh great...."we'll kill you if you don't do what we want" is always a good option.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[billvon 3,120]

>Well, if he pulls a weapon and tries to do it . . .

No, he just threatens and blusters, although he might actually try to kill you later. Do you "pop" him?

[billvon 3,120]

>Oh great...."we'll kill you if you don't do what we want" is always a good
>option.

That's the point. It's a bad option - for both sides.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

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>Well, if he pulls a weapon and tries to do it . . .

No, he just threatens and blusters, although he might actually try to kill you later. Do you "pop" him?

You'd best not.

It won't be self defense unless he actually presents a danger to you right then and there.

Which is your point, I do believe.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

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>Well, if he pulls a weapon and tries to do it . . .

No, he just threatens and blusters, although he might actually try to kill you later. Do you "pop" him?

You'd best not.

It won't be self defense unless he actually presents a danger to you right then and there.

Which is your point, I do believe.

So back to the whalers and the bozos...

...the prop fouling would be considered a real danger right then and there warranting a reaction on the whalers part.

...ramming the whaler ship would be considered a real danger right then and there warranting a reaction on the whalers part.

...waving signs and making a nuisance of yourself would not warrant any reaction...other than laughing and finger-pointing, I guess.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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>Should the Japanese captain not attempt to defend themselves?

If he wants to be whaling in ten years - then his best course of action is to avoid the cable rather than ramming the activist's ship.

Let's take another case. You are demonstrating for your cause outside a courthouse. An opposing protester gets in your face, yells at you, and pushes you. He says he'll kill you if he gets the chance. The reporters hear the commotion, and their cameras all turn your way. You have a gun; should you draw it and "defend" yourself? Or should you get up and walk away? Which will result in your desired outcome?

Even though your analogy is faulty...

My desired outcome would be collecting $$$ from the asshole for assaulting me. The walking away to file a complaint would hopefully result in my desired outcome.

Now, sometime, somewhere, after lights out, BAM!
(of course after collecting the $$$.)


BTW...
Your fault lies in your premise where the whaler doesn't get touched because he should avoid the cable, but the person actually gets pushed having no chance to dodge. Cake and eat it, too maybe?

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

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>Well, if he pulls a weapon and tries to do it . . .

No, he just threatens and blusters, although he might actually try to kill you later. Do you "pop" him?

You'd best not.

It won't be self defense unless he actually presents a danger to you right then and there.

Which is your point, I do believe.

So back to the whalers and the bozos...

...the prop fouling would be considered a real danger right then and there warranting a reaction on the whalers part.

...ramming the whaler ship would be considered a real danger right then and there warranting a reaction on the whalers part.

...waving signs and making a nuisance of yourself would not warrant any reaction...other than laughing and finger-pointing, I guess.

Unless there was imminent bad weather (requiring manuverablility) and given the size difference between the boats, I don't see it as a serious danger.

Self defense in the situation billvon described requires a threat of death or great bodily injury.

I don't see the shit those idiots are pulling rising to that level.

I kinda liked the way South Park showed it.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

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If he wants to be whaling in ten years - then his best course of action is to avoid the cable rather than ramming the activist's ship.

How maneuverable is the whaling ship? Is avoiding the cable a valid option?

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

[rehmwa 2]

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If he wants to be whaling in ten years - then his best course of action is to avoid the cable rather than ramming the activist's ship.

How maneuverable is the whaling ship? Is avoiding the cable a valid option?

think of it this way - If I don't like motorcycles or bicycle delivery types speeding down my street, I should be allowed to set up a clothesline across my street. It's the responsibility of those cyclists to avoid getting hung up. I'm not doing anything wrong - it's their fault for not being 'manuverable' enough.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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I think that's my point. It's not practical to expect the whaler to avoid the cable. I don't support the whaling, but I can't condone the SS's tactics either.

That being said-I don't have another solution to offer either.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

[billvon 3,120]

>If I don't like motorcycles or bicycle delivery types speeding down my
>street, I should be allowed to set up a clothesline across my street. It's the
>responsibility of those cyclists to avoid getting hung up. I'm not doing
>anything wrong - it's their fault for not being 'manuverable' enough.

And if you do that, what is the best option for a motorcyclist?

-Call the cops and avoid your street until they deal with you
-Pull a gun and "pop" you

[rehmwa 2]

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>And if you do that, what is the best option for a motorcyclist?

-Call the cops and avoid your street until they deal with you
-Pull a gun and "pop" you

the first if it happens once

if I now follow the biker around and surprise him on every street - and the biker is cruising along and sees me about to spring the trap and has so much momentum that if he doesn't defend himself RIGHT NOW he'll get decapitated - then the second - especially if it's now chronic (unless the cops are now willing to escort the biker everywhere)

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[rehmwa 2]

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>-Call the cops and avoid your street until they deal with you

and, hopefully the cops actually do anything

since you happen to work and live on that street and your family might starve if you miss more than a day of work....

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[billvon 3,120]

>then the second - especially if it's now chronic

Then problem solved. You'll be in jail, and clotheslines stretched across roads will no longer threaten you.

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>then the second - especially if it's now chronic

Then problem solved. You'll be in jail, and clotheslines stretched across roads will no longer threaten you.

I think a better analogy would be if somebody were follwing him in a small sports car and was trying to jam a crowbar into the rear wheel of his motorcycle.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.