Japanese Whale Catch down by half - Good Job Sea Sheperds

[funjumper101 15]

Excellent results by the Sea Sheperds. With any luck, they'll be even MORE effective next year.

It is time for the Japanese to QUIT commercial whaling under the bogus claim of "research". If it truly was "research", the meat would not be sold commercially.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/asia-pacific/8616884.stm

[airdvr 210]

Absolutely! If the law doesn't work like you think it should then fuck the law. Excellent idea! Except I guess when it comes to mining companies.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[Andy9o8 2]

I've heard some Japanese people say that much of the non-Japanese condemnation of their hunting of whales, dolphins and porpoises for food amounts to culturally-biased attitudes against Japanese dietary preferences, by people of cultures that have different (yet still very much carnivorous) dietary preferences. In other words, as long as the critics are not vegetarians themselves, the criticism is hypocritical. Not a perfect argument (for example, it doesn't address species depletion), but it has some traction.

[jtnesbitt 0]

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I've heard some Japanese people say that much of the non-Japanese condemnation of their hunting of whales, dolphins and porpoises for food amounts to culturally-biased attitudes against Japanese dietary preferences, by people of cultures that have different (yet still very much carnivorous) dietary preferences. In other words, as long as the critics are not vegetarians themselves, the criticism is hypocritical. Not a perfect argument (for example, it doesn't address species depletion), but it has some traction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_gWkaAMa04

Perfect example of previously mentioned hypocrisy.

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[billvon 3,119]

>In other words, as long as the critics are not vegetarians themselves, the
>criticism is hypocritical.

Not sure I get this.

Eating plants requires you to kill them, so I assume the argument there is not that you should not kill anything, but that you should not kill things that feel pain the same way we do, or experience life the same way we do. And if that's the argument, whales are a lot closer to us mentally than chickens are, thus there's a stronger argument for not killing whales than chickens (and a stronger argument for not killing chickens than carrots.)

[Andy9o8 2]

Fido's not much dumber than Bambi.
I have a ficus that screams.

[billvon 3,119]

>Fido's not much dumber than Bambi.

Although Fido is a lot smarter than Rocky the Rooster (and Cathy the Carp.)

[Andy9o8 2]

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>Fido's not much dumber than Bambi.

Although Fido is a lot smarter than Rocky the Rooster (and Cathy the Carp.)

Well, if that's the standard, then this connects well with the other thread about the Morans. Let's eat them.

[rhaig 0]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GosClBN6rzk

FUCK YOU WHALE!!

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Rob

[Belgian_Draft 0]

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Excellent results by the Sea Sheperds. With any luck, they'll be even MORE effective next year.

It is time for the Japanese to QUIT commercial whaling under the bogus claim of "research". If it truly was "research", the meat would not be sold commercially.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/asia-pacific/8616884.stm

I don't like you polluting the air just so you can jump out of an airplane. Therefore I'm going to ram your jump plane with a truck when you try to taxi.

There is a right way to stop the slaughter and there is a wrong way. Your buddies are going about it the wrong way.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

[rhys 0]

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I don't like you polluting the air just so you can jump out of an airplane. Therefore I'm going to ram your jump plane with a truck when you try to taxi.

There is a right way to stop the slaughter and there is a wrong way. Your buddies are going about it the wrong way.

Another shithouse analogy from the crap analogy club.

What is right about palming off the slaughter of endagered mammals as reserch when the real reason is clearly for consuming them and selling them in a supermarket?

Sea shepard saved many whales and exposed the dabarcle to many people of the world that would have otherwise not even known it was going on.

I will agree it is violence none the less and there should be a better more diplomatic to resolve the problem but until that happens, the whales will continue to be slaughterd and thinned out even more. these guys put thier lives on the line for these protected animals, and these animals are protected for a good reason.

Do you think it is O.k. to slaughter them in the name of research and then sell the meat in the supermarket?

or what is your point?

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[Belgian_Draft 0]

I wrote, "There is a right way to stop the slaughter and there is a wrong way. Your buddies are going about it the wrong way."

How could I possibly make myself any clearer?
If I thought the killing was ok, I would have called it a "harvest". Use of the word "slaughter" should give a pretty good indication of how I feel about it.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

[regulator 0]

So what exactly has transgressed since the last time I watched 'Whale Wars'? I last caught an episode during the summer of last year. To be quite honest the Sea Shepards weren't doing much of squat to the Japanese boats because of all of the high pressure water hoses and the LRAD's used by the Japanese boats. They would attempt to conduct operations by using inflatable boats with high(ish) outboard engines and get blasted as soon as they got a hundred feet away from the Nisshin Maru. Last time I checked they couldn't even deploy the prop foul line and get it to work. So what have they done recently to reduce the whale deaths via japanese 'research' vessels?

[regulator 0]

FUCK YOU WHALE...and FUCK YOU DOLFEEEEN!

[Squeak 17]

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I don't like you polluting the air just so you can jump out of an airplane. Therefore I'm going to ram your jump plane with a truck when you try to taxi.

There is a right way to stop the slaughter and there is a wrong way. Your buddies are going about it the wrong way.

Another shithouse analogy from the crap analogy club.

What is right about palming off the slaughter of endagered mammals as reserch when the real reason is clearly for consuming them and selling them in a supermarket?

Sea shepard saved many whales and exposed the dabarcle to many people of the world that would have otherwise not even known it was going on.

I will agree it is violence none the less and there should be a better more diplomatic to resolve the problem but until that happens, the whales will continue to be slaughterd and thinned out even more. these guys put thier lives on the line for these protected animals, and these animals are protected for a good reason.

Do you think it is O.k. to slaughter them in the name of research and then sell the meat in the supermarket?

or what is your point?

I think it was a reasonable analogy the ozone is in decline, CO2 build up is a real issue, and the cetacea are in danger. Reasonable analogy to me.
What's YOUR point. Other than being a Kiwi?
Are you STILL pissed about the Rainbow Warrior?

You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
My Life ROCKS!
How's yours doing?

[regulator 0]

so has anyone watched the new season of whale wars and found out what they are doing differently to make such a sharp decrease in whaling? Last time I watched they were slaughtering whales right in front of Paul Watson...that's when he got pissed and rammed the Sea Shepard into the Nisshin Maru.

[rhys 0]

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How could I possibly make myself any clearer?
If I thought the killing was ok, I would have called it a "harvest". Use of the word "slaughter" should give a pretty good indication of how I feel about it.

Are you vegetarian? Evey piece of meat that I have ever eaten was obtained from an aminal that has been slaughtered.

and yes I take things quite literally.

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the killing or butchering of cattle, sheep, etc., esp. for food.
2.
the brutal or violent killing of a person.
3.
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the right way is to protect the species, that has already been done...

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[billvon 3,119]

>Another shithouse analogy from the crap analogy club.

It's a pretty good one actually. But let's use one you may understand a little better:

Let's say someone out there objects to the callous slaughter of thinking, feeling mammals. Would firebombing the restaurant you are in be an accceptable response? If it reduced the number of cows killed, would that justify it?

[Belgian_Draft 0]

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Are you vegetarian? Evey piece of meat that I have ever eaten was obtained from an aminal that has been slaughtered.

and yes I take things quite literally.

No, I am not a vegetarian. I enjoy eating meat. I am not against the killing of animals to provide us with that meat. In fact, as a child I helped my father and uncles kill and butcher cattle, sheep, hogs, chickens, rabbits, etc.
I do not like the Japanese killing so many whales, but I like even less the tactics used by those who are trying to stop them. When will they stop? When they manage to sink a whaler and allow its crew to drown or die of hypothermia while they watch?

How hypocritical of you to decry the US for the isolated acts of a very few of it's soldiers and then cheer on the terrorist acts of the Sea Shepards.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

[kelpdiver 2]

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How hypocritical of you to decry the US for the isolated acts of a very few of it's soldiers and then cheer on the terrorist acts of the Sea Shepards.

As we long ago determined: one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.

[Andy9o8 2]

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How hypocritical of you to decry the US for the isolated acts of a very few of it's soldiers and then cheer on the terrorist acts of the Sea Shepards.

As we long ago determined: one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.

One man's Beluga is another man's McNugget.

[funjumper101 15]

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Are you vegetarian? Evey piece of meat that I have ever eaten was obtained from an aminal that has been slaughtered.

and yes I take things quite literally.

No, I am not a vegetarian. I enjoy eating meat. I am not against the killing of animals to provide us with that meat. In fact, as a child I helped my father and uncles kill and butcher cattle, sheep, hogs, chickens, rabbits, etc.
I do not like the Japanese killing so many whales, but I like even less the tactics used by those who are trying to stop them. When will they stop? When they manage to sink a whaler and allow its crew to drown or die of hypothermia while they watch?

How hypocritical of you to decry the US for the isolated acts of a very few of it's soldiers and then cheer on the terrorist acts of the Sea Shepards.

Can you identify ANY mammal research projects anywhere in the world whereby the subjects of the research are killed and the meat sold commercially, for profit?

Didn't think so...

It doesn't take 1000 dead whales to figure out if the population is healthy, or not. Commercial whaling has been banned by international treaty. The Japanese have signed the treaty. Commercial whaling under the guise of "research" is wrong. The easy way to resolve this for the Japanese government to make the sale of whale meat illegal. They haven't, and won't, so they are engaged in an illegal commercial harvest. There is no scientific purpose for the harvest. No studies are published and peer reviewed.

[billvon 3,119]

>Can you identify ANY mammal research projects anywhere in the world
>whereby the subjects of the research are killed and the meat sold '
>commercially, for profit?

Sure. Here in the US, research animals from some vivarium experiments are euthanized and sold to companies that make animal feed. They're a lot more careful about it now - this practice resulted in the first cases of BSE ("mad cow disease") back in the 1940's. They don't use any animals from infectious disease studies, for example.

[Belgian_Draft 0]

Dude, you really, really, REALLY need to start paying attention to what people write in their posts and stop jumping to conclusions just because they don't hold the same radical views as you. Exactly what part of "I do not like the Japanese killing so many whales" do you not understand?

I agree that what they are doing is bullshit and should be stopped. If they want to kill for consumption, then fine. Let the international community set a limit on whale harvest for commercial purposes and then drastically reduce the number of whales taken for research so that the TOTAL number is substantially less than what they are taking now.
I do not, however, agree with the tactics your buddies are using.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

[rehmwa 2]

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It's a pretty good one actually. But let's use one you may understand a little better:

Let's say someone out there objects to the callous slaughter of thinking, feeling mammals. Would firebombing the restaurant you are in be an accceptable response? If it reduced the number of cows killed, would that justify it?

I thought it was a good analogy also. And I think it's pretty clear that certain people applaud ANY method, no matter how despicable, that works with whatever triggers their personal and subjective outrages on a daily basis - this thread is just another very obtuse example again.

The Japanese are flouting a treaty they signed? limiting whaling. Then the responsibility to address that is by the law enforcement agencies involved then. Not a bunch of terrorists with their panties in a wad.

one of two things is happening here then -

1 - international treaties of this kind are worthless since the treaty members won't support it - address that issue rather than terrorism or:

2 - these terrorists are diluting the effectiveness of treaty enforcement by bypassing the legal enforcement of the treaty

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