Red Skelton

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Red Skelton

Rat for Life - Fly till I die
When them stupid ass bitches ask why

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Man you people are trigger happy with that "Speaker's Corner" button. Fuckin pledge of allegiance for crying out loud. haha. Sad really.

Rat for Life - Fly till I die
When them stupid ass bitches ask why

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Man you people are trigger happy with that "Speaker's Corner" button. Fuckin pledge of allegiance for crying out loud. haha. Sad really.

Yes, yes, I suppose you're right. After all it has never been a point of contention before. We really ought to let it fester a few days before making rash decisions.

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[BillyVance 35]

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Man you people are trigger happy with that "Speaker's Corner" button. Fuckin pledge of allegiance for crying out loud. haha. Sad really.

Well, it is sort of a political hotspot. I didn't watch the video though...

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[steve1 5]

I grew up watching Red Skelton. What a funny guy! I enjoyed his shows immensely. I think Clem Cadillyhoffner was my favorite character.

I've never seen Red Skelton talking this seriously about anything. He was a good hearted person....But I don't really go along with his ideas about God though. This seems like a narrow minded perspective. Not everyone is a Christian in our country. I wonder why this needs to be in the Pledge of Allegiance.....

I respect your thoughts if you are a Christian, but I'd like that same respect, since I'm not.... What are your thoughts on this?

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Ok, I'm gonna poke the bear on this one.

The phrase "under God," is not tied to just the Christian religions, but I would say covers most if not all religions.

I'm not exactly a religious person, but I recognize that many religions worship God. Some religions believe in the same God, while others in different Gods.

I personally don't care if "under God" is in the pledge or not. If someone chooses to say those words in the pledge, great... if not... great. It's called free speech people.

anyway, my 2 cents..... loved the video and would happily pass it around to others to see.

Goggles and Teeth

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[steveorino 7]

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I wonder why this needs to be in the Pledge of Allegiance.....

I respect your thoughts if you are a Christian, but I'd like that same respect, since I'm not.... What are your thoughts on this?

I'm not aware of any reference to Christ in the pledge. yes, there is a reference to "God" the same reference that is in the Declaration of Independence. If references to God and a Creator were okay for it, why not the pledge?

steveOrino

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I'm not aware of any reference to Christ in the pledge. yes, there is a reference to "God" the same reference that is in the Declaration of Independence. If references to God and a Creator were okay for it, why not the pledge?

The Declaration of Independence exists today as it was written, the pledge does not.

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I'm not aware of any reference to Christ in the pledge. yes, there is a reference to "God" the same reference that is in the Declaration of Independence. If references to God and a Creator were okay for it, why not the pledge?

The Declaration of Independence exists today as it was written, the pledge does not.

You're right. Many words have been added since it was first written by a Baptist minister in 1892. So?

steveOrino

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For the first five years that I was in elementary school, yes I'm that old, there was no "under god" in the pledge and believe it or not, the world just kept right on spinning around and people kept right on living their lives in relative happiness.

BTW, Red Skelton wasn't that funny, ever.

The older I get the less I care who I piss off.

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You're right. Many words have been added since it was first written by a Baptist minister in 1892. So?

I think it strips the historical purpose or at least changes it. If you read the entire Declaration of Independence for example, it paints a pretty incredible picture of what life in Colonial times was like and why the colonies wanted to become independent of England. If we were to remove or add words based on current events, the document becomes detached from its history. As originally written, the pledge had nothing at all to do with god or religion in any way. Its a shame what it has been turned into.

[steveorino 7]

IMHO ... much to do about nothing

steveOrino

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IMHO ... much to do about nothing

And I would guess that's because it fits into your beliefs. I would prefer that we preserve American history regardless of what our beliefs are.

ETA - How would you feel about the opposite - removing all references to god or creator from the Declaration of Independence?

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IMHO ... much to do about nothing

And I would guess that's because it fits into your beliefs. I would prefer that we preserve American history regardless of what our beliefs are.

ETA - How would you feel about the opposite - removing all references to god or creator from the Declaration of Independence?

The same ... they are but words ... important words, but words. Saying "under God" doesn't make it so. Taking out "Creator" doesn't make us any less of a creation.

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I'm not aware of any reference to Christ in the pledge. yes, there is a reference to "God" the same reference that is in the Declaration of Independence. If references to God and a Creator were okay for it, why not the pledge?

The Declaration of Independence exists today as it was written, the pledge does not.

You're right. Many words have been added since it was first written by a Baptist minister in 1892. So?

No one uses the Bellamy Salute, in which the author of the pledge, Francis Bellamy, prescribed. So I guess you could say that it has changed a little over time.

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my point exactly

steveOrino

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... they are but words ...

To me, they are so much more than just words. It's the foundation of everything we, as a nation, are built upon. So important that I took an oath to defend those words with my life - just as you did.
Yeah, they may just be words, but they're awfully important words to me.

[steveorino 7]

Changing words doesn't change my patriotism or my faith in God.

steveOrino

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Yeah, they may just be words, but they're awfully important words to me.

Which words? The ones in the Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution or the Pledge of Allegiance? They all say very different things and only one actually matters at all.

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[BillyVance 35]

My memory is a bit hazy, but my recollection of how and when "under God" was added to the pledge seems to be it was added in the 50's in response to the communist or neo-nazi movements that were prevalent in the day in the U.S.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Changing words doesn't change my patriotism or my faith in God.

Sure it does, unless your patriotism or faith is unexamined.

The Declaration of Independence is the source document that spells out the principles the United States was founded on. If those principles are altered, how can you still be a patriot in the same way?

If John 3:16 was changed to: For God so loved the world that he gave them beer so they could drink and be merry, the underlying meaning is completely changed, as would be your faith.

That's why it really is important. I think I get what you're saying - that you are a patriot no matter if some people are able to change a few words around and that's great. The point I'm making is that if we continue to change things here and there as a matter of convenience to the belief of the day, generations down the road there will be a disconnect. I think we're already seeing it to some degree today.

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>If John 3:16 was changed to: For God so loved the world that he gave
>them beer so they could drink and be merry, the underlying meaning is
>completely changed, as would be your faith.

Seriously? You'd completely change your faith if that happened? Interesting.

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I grew up watching Red Skelton. What a funny guy! I enjoyed his shows immensely. I think Clem Cadillyhoffner was my favorite character.

I've never seen Red Skelton talking this seriously about anything. He was a good hearted person....But I don't really go along with his ideas about God though. This seems like a narrow minded perspective. Not everyone is a Christian in our country. I wonder why this needs to be in the Pledge of Allegiance.....

I respect your thoughts if you are a Christian, but I'd like that same respect, since I'm not.... What are your thoughts on this?

Clem Cadiddlehopper I thought was funny. I was a kid when his show was on. My dad liked it... mom hated it! We have to remember, Red Skelton came-up through vaudville and that era. This country's thinking was nothing like today. They didn't have the internet or cell-phones. Beliefs were stronger and people worked hard, for a living. It was God, Mom and apple pie. He believed what he did and was, from all I've ever read about the man, good and compassionate. I found the video an interesting look-back.


Chuck

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My memory is a bit hazy, but my recollection of how and when "under God" was added to the pledge seems to be it was added in the 50's in response to the communist or neo-nazi movements that were prevalent in the day in the U.S.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

'50s and "godless" communists is the right answer. Of course, that was silly, but so is any country that thinks they are the only ones that are correct because they have god on "their side."

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