Black America: Sinking to a New 'Bottom'?

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no, you're just being a bit touchy

No it's guys like Rhys who have a severe case of white guilt for some reason and tells everyone they are racist all the time.

no, you're just attacking a poster for some reason

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A few years ago, I noticed the pattern in black unemployment.

Black men were still working in physical labor jobs while
the black women were moving into the (pardon the term) white-collar jobs.

A human resources person told me that it was because
of the equal rights quotas.
If a black man was hired for a job, it checked one box.
If a black woman was hired, then they had hired two minorities.
So, the quota system was keeping black men out of professional positions in the US.

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A few years ago, I noticed the pattern in black unemployment.

Black men were still working in physical labor jobs while
the black women were moving into the (pardon the term) white-collar jobs.

A human resources person told me that it was because
of the equal rights quotas.
If a black man was hired for a job, it checked one box.
If a black woman was hired, then they had hired two minorities.
So, the quota system was keeping black men out of professional positions in the US.

so, if there wasn't such a quota system then black women would be unemployed as well as black men

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A few years ago, I noticed the pattern in black unemployment.

Black men were still working in physical labor jobs while
the black women were moving into the (pardon the term) white-collar jobs.

A human resources person told me that it was because
of the equal rights quotas.
If a black man was hired for a job, it checked one box.
If a black woman was hired, then they had hired two minorities.
So, the quota system was keeping black men out of professional positions in the US.

so, if there wasn't such a quota system then black women would be unemployed as well as black men

As usual, you perfectly illustrate a quote from Jonathan Swift: "There's none so blind as they that won't see."

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A few years ago, I noticed the pattern in black unemployment.

Black men were still working in physical labor jobs while
the black women were moving into the (pardon the term) white-collar jobs.

A human resources person told me that it was because
of the equal rights quotas.
If a black man was hired for a job, it checked one box.
If a black woman was hired, then they had hired two minorities.
So, the quota system was keeping black men out of professional positions in the US.

so, if there wasn't such a quota system then black women would be unemployed as well as black men

As usual, you perfectly illustrate a quote from Jonathan Swift: "There's none so blind as they that won't see."

and you should look in that mirror

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[airdvr 210]

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A few years ago, I noticed the pattern in black unemployment.

Black men were still working in physical labor jobs while
the black women were moving into the (pardon the term) white-collar jobs.

A human resources person told me that it was because
of the equal rights quotas.
If a black man was hired for a job, it checked one box.
If a black woman was hired, then they had hired two minorities.
So, the quota system was keeping black men out of professional positions in the US.

so, if there wasn't such a quota system then black women would be unemployed as well as black men

As usual, you perfectly illustrate a quote from Jonathan Swift: "There's none so blind as they that won't see."

and you should look in that mirror

You continue to dance around...I'll start saying 'prance' around without answering a simple question that I've asked.

I'd like you to tell us all why racism prevents black kids from graduating from High School.

Please don't dent the planet.

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can someone enlighten me as to what is offensive about the word negro?

Of course the really offensive word is [[[[CENSORED]]]].

Negro was fairly commonly used some 20-25 years ago. Since then, it has been replaced with the terms Black or Colored. Might I suggest you get with the times and join everyone else. This way there is little confusion. Someone might take offense when you call them a Negro when you really thought they were a [[[[CENSORED]]]].

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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A few years ago, I noticed the pattern in black unemployment.

Black men were still working in physical labor jobs while
the black women were moving into the (pardon the term) white-collar jobs.

A human resources person told me that it was because
of the equal rights quotas.
If a black man was hired for a job, it checked one box.
If a black woman was hired, then they had hired two minorities.
So, the quota system was keeping black men out of professional positions in the US.

so, if there wasn't such a quota system then black women would be unemployed as well as black men

As usual, you perfectly illustrate a quote from Jonathan Swift: "There's none so blind as they that won't see."

and you should look in that mirror

You continue to dance around...I'll start saying 'prance' around without answering a simple question that I've asked.

I'd like you to tell us all why racism prevents black kids from graduating from High School.

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UNCONSCIOUS stereotypes lurking within even overtly non-racist Americans appear to be leading them to dehumanise black Americans in subtle but important ways.

That is the disturbing conclusion of work by psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt at Stanford University in California and her colleagues. They set out to test if any vestiges remain of a racist stereotype that was common a century ago: that black people are more apelike, and thus less human, than white people.

The team subjected 121 university undergraduates, including 60 whites, 39 asians and seven blacks, to tests that used a technique known as subliminal priming. The students were briefly flashed a photo of either an African-Amercian or a European-American face, and then shown a blurry picture of an ape. Those who saw the black face were quicker to recognise the ape, the researchers found. This effect was not seen when whites were shown an Asian face. This indicates that the black face had "primed" the volunteers, triggering a subconscious association between blacks and apes, they say.

The effect was found in both white and non-white students. However, there were too few black volunteers in the study to check for an effect with them specifically. The priming persisted even when volunteers were shown line drawings of faces, or names typical of black or white Americans. This makes it likely that the effect is due to attitudes towards people of African origin and not merely associations with skin colour, the researchers say.

The study also showed that the effect, though subtle, influences white students' perceptions of black people. The researchers asked 115 white volunteers to watch a video of police violently subduing a suspect of indeterminate race, after first priming the students with a subliminal glimpse of a word relating either to apes or to big cats. Those who were primed with ape words were more likely to say the police violence was justified - but only if they were told the suspect was black (Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, vol 94, p 292).

The researchers were stunned by their findings, says team member Phillip Atiba Goff of Pennsylvania State University in University Park. "I had to take a couple of days off to just handle it." Experts on the psychology of prejudice agree. "The idea that people would associate other people with animals, and on such an unconscious level, is really provocative," says Susan Fiske at Princeton University.

Even students who showed no signs of racism on a standard test of racist attitudes shared the tendency to associate blacks with apes. Indeed, only 9 per cent of the students said they were even aware that blacks were sometimes stereotyped as apelike.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19726434.300

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[airdvr 210]

I won't even bother to read that. I can find something online that counters that article's assertion.

I know this is difficult for you DD but, in your words...your feelings...your insight, tell me why. I really am interested to know why you think what you do.

Please don't dent the planet.

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I won't even bother to read that.

you choice
(next)

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take a look in the mirror too

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Race is a problem here. We don't need that pointed out. I don't believe we shoud do much more than we already have. In many ways most of the things we've tried have been miserable failures and actually made the situation worse.

Opportunity exists here. Is it equal...hell no. Don't have a clue how you'd make it that way.

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These biases are not immutable, however. Social psychologist Jack Dovidio of Yale University has shown that subtle interventions, such as showing people videos of discrimination, can reduce subsequent prejudice. The media could do a better job of highlighting such research. Instead, attention tends to focus on controversies such as the simplistic debate over race and intelligence that erupted from the book The Bell Curve in 1994.

Fanning these flames is easy. It gives succour to closet racists, while letting liberals rage against racism without facing their own prejudices. Far more productive would be a debate over the implications of research by Dalton Conley of New York University, who found the main factor limiting achievement by African Americans to be the low accumulated wealth of the typical black family - just one-eighth that of its white counterpart.

This is a real tragedy, and not just for the groups directly affected. In a dynamic economy, opportunity is not a zero-sum game. Give all individuals, irrespective of racial group, the chance to fulfil their potential and everyone will prosper.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19726492.700

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take a look in the mirror too

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take a look in the mirror too

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i believe that's the sixth or seventh time (in different threads) that you've called me that
(got my own stalker)

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maybe 3 or 4. But I'm not counting.

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can someone enlighten me as to what is offensive about the word negro?

Of course the really offensive word is [[[[CENSORED]]]].

Negro was fairly commonly used some 20-25 years ago. Since then, it has been replaced with the terms Black or Colored. Might I suggest you get with the times and join everyone else. This way there is little confusion. Someone might take offense when you call them a Negro when you really thought they were a [[[[CENSORED]]]].

Why censor here? It's hard enough to work out the regional differences.

In the US, you have, in rough historical order: negro, colored, black, and African American. The last two are still in use. I prefer black of the two because most in our country are not African in culture or recent family history. If coming from Haiti who came from Africa in the 1700s counts as African American, then shouldn't I be African American as well since it's generally accepted as the origin of our species?

On the side, you do have nigger, which was always a pejorative, but has come into use by blacks themselves. Like gays with fag or queer, they're reclaiming the word as their own to diminish its hurtful value. Negro also is falling into this use, though often I think it is used to refer to another black in a derogatory manner.

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Meanwhile, all of this sidesteps DD's question about why black unemployment is higher. He's been given information he doesn't want to address. Latent racism can be a factor, but that's not why uneducated felons aren't getting hired.

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Latent racism can be a factor.

it can be more than a factor - it can be the over-riding factor if that racism is applied at various times in a lifetime - like a dollar that's accumulatively taxed down to a few cents

(meanwhile the untaxed white dollar appreciates in value)

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Latent racism can be a factor.

it can be more than a factor - it can be the over-riding factor if that racism is applied at various times in a lifetime - like a dollar that's accumulatively taxed down to a few cents

(meanwhile the untaxed white dollar appreciates in value)

You seem to think of racism as a one-way street. Hardly.

I'll submit that black people in the US have been harmed by the good intentions of the government. Governments can't legislate morality. It never works and more often has a backlash effect.

I'll also submit that you've not spent a whole bunch of time in the inner city. This isn't a problem white people can solve. Blacks have to solve it for themselves, even if the playing field isn't level.

Please don't dent the planet.

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Wow...just wow Negros? Seriously?

what word do you use?

Not gonna bite on that one... Still waiting for you to tell us why so many blacks don't graduate.

i thought the answer was obvious - the us of a is a deeply racist country

You make a huge leap past many steps of what is a complicateed question/explanation. Let me help.

The answer to the question about why they are less likely to graduate is that they drop out. Which of course leads to the question of why they drop out. Answer that question - straightforwardly and without an agenda-driven leap to racism - and you will get to the next question. Keep answering the questions until you get to an honest bottom line. Not an easy problem to tackle, and not a fast answer to get to, but logical steps will at least lead to a more honest discussion. Your thought process of leaping to racism is hardly productive, but fits your online persona perfectly.

Not saying racism does not exist in the USA, but it is a cop-out to just jump to it as the evil cause of all that is wrong. BTW, every country I've visited that has any level of population diversity has racism. Also sexism. Humans carry a lot of cultural baggage that manifests itself in various -isms. Despite bumps in the road, it occurs to me that over the long run we are reducing their influence. (Compare current levels of slavery to say 1000, or even 100 years ago). The world changes one funeral at a time.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[rhys 0]

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I would say it's an equal split.

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You are unreal man! You are just looking for a reason to call me a rascist and spit at my feet. Ok, my manager is black...

Not at all, I like it that you work in a culturally diverse company, working in a hangar is describing blue collar work and I was intersted to see if that trend followed its way into management, it seems it has.

I would not have thought you were racist working in such an environment and i never though I implied you were, it is possible to have an intellegent conversation in here is it not? or are we supposed to just mock one another?

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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it is possible to have an intellegent conversation in here is it not?

You seem to have much difficulty with that.

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or are we supposed to just mock one another?

You do not seem to have any difficulty with that.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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Just because a person(black or white) works for a company as a blue color worker does mean they are qualified to work in management. Being a manager usually requires a different skill set. I know this common sense will confuse you though.

What is common sence is that if there is a high percentage of nergroid people in the blue collar positions, there is probably a high percentage of negroids in the local community, if that is the case, they would fill the intellecual spectrum and therefore find thier way into management.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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No it's guys like Rhys who have a severe case of white guilt for some reason and tells everyone they are racist all the time.

just like i sit in my basment with a tin foil hat on!

take a chill pill bro.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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Just because a person(black or white) works for a company as a blue color worker does mean they are qualified to work in management. Being a manager usually requires a different skill set. I know this common sense will confuse you though.

What is common sence is that if there is a high percentage of nergroid people in the blue collar positions, there is probably a high percentage of negroids in the local community, if that is the case, they would fill the intellecual spectrum and therefore find thier way into management.

For you, common sense isn't so common.

Being a majority in a community or a workplace does not magically give someone the skills to work in management. Just as a manager may not be able to do the job of a blue collar worker because he does not have that skill. With proper education and training then either can do the job of the other. But it doesn't just happen by magic or commonsense.