dreamdancer 0 #1 April 7, 2010 something's not right here... QuoteCorporate economists have lately grown fond of saying the economy is "turning the corner," but for African Americans, it's shaping up as a long and very scary ride downhill. Official labor statistics show Black unemployment rose to 16.5 percent in March, up from 15.8 percent the month before, while white joblessness remained steady at 8.8 percent. The figures are in line with the Washington-based Economic Policy Institute's prediction that Black unemployment will hit 17.2 percent by the third quarter of this year -- the highest level in a quarter century. Not only is the Great Recession nowhere near over for Black America, there are indications that the contorted economy is finding a new "bottom" for African Americans to inhabit. When the previous bottom fell out, Blacks fell farther and faster than whites, Asians and Latinos, and from an even more precarious economic position. As Dedrick Muhammad, of United for a Fair Economy reported in February 2009, "African Americans never emerged from the 2001 recession." Black households lost additional ground to whites and Latinos between 2000 and 2005 and were plummeting in real and relative terms even before the economy "officially" went off the cliff in December, 2007. When the crash came, the "Black" economy entered unknown territory, where previous patterns of relative Black-white employment prospects -- as bad as they were -- may no longer apply. The sheer speed with which Black joblessness soared into the deep double digits since the official beginning of the recession indicates how tenuous is the Black connection to an economy stripped of all pretense of fairness and reciprocity. If national Black unemployment reaches 17.2 percent in the late summer, as the Economic Policy Institute predicts, that will represent an exact doubling of Black joblessness since December, 2007. http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/04/07-6stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #2 April 8, 2010 Quotesomething's not right here... look at high school graduation rates as a starting point, then rates of criminal convictions. You'll find a marked difference unemployment for black men versus women and these two factors are a large part of why, rather than a vague assertion of racism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #3 April 8, 2010 Quote Quote something's not right here... look at high school graduation rates as a starting point, then rates of criminal convictions. You'll find a marked difference unemployment for black men versus women and these two factors are a large part of why, rather than a vague assertion of racism. unless you're saying black men are less intelligent, or more criminal, than whites then racism is the answer here (it's a pretty simple equation and the same answer pops out all over the us of a - odd)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #4 April 8, 2010 well you can play the race card, but I think a just as plausible explanation (if not more so depending on the area of the country) is that some children growing up in welfare families living on the government dole may not have motivation to leave that state of being and make their own way. Certainly growing up in that environment will have the opposite effect for many, but to increase numbers on welfare doesn't mean all the kids have to stay on welfare. More than one per parent (on average) in each family (many are single parent families) would be enough to increase numbers.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #5 April 8, 2010 Quote well you can play the race card, but I think a just as plausible explanation (if not more so depending on the area of the country) is that some children growing up in welfare families living on the government dole may not have motivation to leave that state of being and make their own way. Certainly growing up in that environment will have the opposite effect for many, but to increase numbers on welfare doesn't mean all the kids have to stay on welfare. More than one per parent (on average) in each family (many are single parent families) would be enough to increase numbers. that's strange because the article is about black unemployment - not welfare (do you often associate the word 'black' with 'welfare')stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #6 April 8, 2010 >unless you're saying black men are less intelligent, or more criminal, >than whites then racism is the answer here. You seem to be talking about a "black" economy as compared to the real one. Why do you exclude blacks from your economy? Sounds pretty racist to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #7 April 8, 2010 Quote Quote Quote something's not right here... look at high school graduation rates as a starting point, then rates of criminal convictions. You'll find a marked difference unemployment for black men versus women and these two factors are a large part of why, rather than a vague assertion of racism. unless you're saying black men are less intelligent, or more criminal, than whites then racism is the answer here (it's a pretty simple equation and the same answer pops out all over the us of a - odd) looks to me like he was comparing black men to black women. how is that racist? "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #8 April 9, 2010 Quote Quote well you can play the race card, but I think a just as plausible explanation (if not more so depending on the area of the country) is that some children growing up in welfare families living on the government dole may not have motivation to leave that state of being and make their own way. Certainly growing up in that environment will have the opposite effect for many, but to increase numbers on welfare doesn't mean all the kids have to stay on welfare. More than one per parent (on average) in each family (many are single parent families) would be enough to increase numbers. that's strange because the article is about black unemployment - not welfare (do you often associate the word 'black' with 'welfare') troll-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #9 April 9, 2010 Quote Quote Quote something's not right here... look at high school graduation rates as a starting point, then rates of criminal convictions. You'll find a marked difference unemployment for black men versus women and these two factors are a large part of why, rather than a vague assertion of racism. unless you're saying black men are less intelligent, or more criminal, than whites then racism is the answer here (it's a pretty simple equation and the same answer pops out all over the us of a - odd) There are some very easy to find statistics here. high school graduation rates are easy. Criminal conviction rates are easy. And factual. You can try to debate the reasons for these numbers, but the question is about employment. Employers prefer educated (and hs diploma is a minimum) people without felony convictions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #10 April 9, 2010 Quote indicates how tenuous is the Black connection to an economy stripped of all pretense of fairness and reciprocity. It is nice that the author makes it clear that they have already made their conclusions, extremist liberal bias in full view for all that care to open their eyes.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #11 April 9, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote something's not right here... look at high school graduation rates as a starting point, then rates of criminal convictions. You'll find a marked difference unemployment for black men versus women and these two factors are a large part of why, rather than a vague assertion of racism. unless you're saying black men are less intelligent, or more criminal, than whites then racism is the answer here (it's a pretty simple equation and the same answer pops out all over the us of a - odd) There are some very easy to find statistics here. high school graduation rates are easy. Criminal conviction rates are easy. And factual. You can try to debate the reasons for these numbers, but the question is about employment. Employers prefer educated (and hs diploma is a minimum) people without felony convictions. blacks are just as intelligent as whites so why do you think more diplomas are given to whites? blacks are no more criminal than whites so why do you think vastly more are in prison? (it's a simple equation and the answer is)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #12 April 9, 2010 You're right, it is a simple answer. Liberal public policies.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #13 April 9, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote something's not right here... look at high school graduation rates as a starting point, then rates of criminal convictions. You'll find a marked difference unemployment for black men versus women and these two factors are a large part of why, rather than a vague assertion of racism. unless you're saying black men are less intelligent, or more criminal, than whites then racism is the answer here (it's a pretty simple equation and the same answer pops out all over the us of a - odd) There are some very easy to find statistics here. high school graduation rates are easy. Criminal conviction rates are easy. And factual. You can try to debate the reasons for these numbers, but the question is about employment. Employers prefer educated (and hs diploma is a minimum) people without felony convictions. blacks are just as intelligent as whites so why do you think more diplomas are given to whites? blacks are no more criminal than whites so why do you think vastly more are in prison? (it's a simple equation and the answer is) So are you saying that most of the blacks in prison are innocent? Do you think the Police routinely frame black people just to put them in prison?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #14 April 9, 2010 Quotewell you can play the race card, but I think a just as plausible explanation (if not more so depending on the area of the country) is that some children growing up in welfare families living on the government dole may not have motivation to leave that state of being and make their own way. Exactly. Kids, in general, emulate the behavior of the adults in their lives. It is most unfortunate that young black men have a much higher chance of emulating criminal behavior." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #15 April 9, 2010 Quoteblacks are no more criminal than whites so why do you think vastly more are in prison? (it's a simple equation and the answer is) This must be a trick question; but let me take a stab. Because they are committing more crimes (per capita)? Tell us what you think the answer is." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #16 April 9, 2010 Quoteblacks are just as intelligent as whites so why do you think more diplomas are given to whites? Because they don't drop out as often. Graduating high school isn't difficult, but it's a choice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #17 April 9, 2010 Quoteblacks are just as intelligent as whites so why do you think more diplomas are given to whites? Enlighten us...please.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #18 April 9, 2010 This is a socioeconomic issue, not a racial one. Why exclude the poor people of all the other races?Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #19 April 9, 2010 because they have been opressed since being in america, and as much as many think theat because negros are not slaves now that they have equal opportunity, because thier children buy rap musuc rom black artists and dvd from black actors etc. But the reality is, when a negro guy (or gal) comes into a middle classed environment to apply for a job and a caucasian guy has the same credentals, the caucasian guy will be chosen over the negro guy. Negros have to be exceptional to gain the same respects as a caucasian (excluding the music industry). This opression will generally lead to a higher level and number of crimes committed. If you cry BS, tell me how many negros you work with in relation to caucasians? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #20 April 9, 2010 Wow...just wow Negros? Seriously? Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #21 April 9, 2010 Quote Wow...just wow Negros? Seriously? what word do you use?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #22 April 9, 2010 Quote Quote Wow...just wow Negros? Seriously? what word do you use? Not gonna bite on that one... Still waiting for you to tell us why so many blacks don't graduate.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #23 April 9, 2010 Quote If you cry BS, tell me how many negros you work with in relation to caucasians? I'll send you a pic of the hangar I work in. You shouldn't have trouble finding me. I'm the only white dude.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #24 April 9, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Wow...just wow Negros? Seriously? what word do you use? Not gonna bite on that one... Still waiting for you to tell us why so many blacks don't graduate. i thought the answer was obvious - the us of a is a deeply racist country stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #25 April 9, 2010 Quote Quote Wow...just wow Negros? Seriously? what word do you use? Porch monkeys... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2DxyAGzGxMStupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
