rushmc 23 #1 April 1, 2010 QuoteBarring an about face by nature or adjustments, it appears that for the first time since 2001, Arctic Sea ice will hit the “normal” line as defined by the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) for this time of year. http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/climate_change_happening_before_your_eyes"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #2 April 1, 2010 Shhh...I think I hear the sound of AGW dollars being flushed down the drain.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #3 April 1, 2010 Quote Shhh...I think I hear the sound of AGW dollars being flushed down the drain. Not that anything is finished at this time from this post as there is disagreement even about it. But, it does further my position that the "science" is far from settled and that there is no concensus on the topic"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #4 April 1, 2010 Quote Quote Shhh...I think I hear the sound of AGW dollars being flushed down the drain. Not that anything is finished at this time from this post as there is disagreement even about it. But, it does further my position that the "science" is far from settled and that there is no concensus on the topic No it doesn't, any more than record high temperatures in Chicago today or record rain in Rhode Island yesterday or record snow in Philadelphia last winter mean very much taken alone.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #5 April 1, 2010 QuoteNo it doesn't, any more than record high temperatures in Chicago today or record rain in Rhode Island yesterday or record snow in Philadelphia last winter mean very much taken alone. Shh - I think I hear some right-wingers struggling with the concept of "Geological Timescale". QuoteIn order to compare like with like, the total cooling effect of creating the fossil fuel stocks over millenia must be compared to the total warming effects of consuming them over decades. This effect of humans on the geological-scale rhythms of our planet needs to be investigated, rather than denied.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #6 April 1, 2010 Quoteno concensus on the topicDo you define "consensus" as "majority" or "unanimity?" By your standards of measuring the consensus around AGW, there is also no consensus that: * US taxes are too high * there are too many entitlements * public schools could use improvement and a whole lot of other things. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #7 April 1, 2010 QuoteQuoteno concensus on the topicDo you define "consensus" as "majority" or "unanimity?" By your standards of measuring the consensus around AGW, there is also no consensus that: * US taxes are too high * there are too many entitlements * public schools could use improvement and a whole lot of other things. Wendy P. Fact is, the science is not settled Far from it"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #8 April 1, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Shhh...I think I hear the sound of AGW dollars being flushed down the drain. Not that anything is finished at this time from this post as there is disagreement even about it. But, it does further my position that the "science" is far from settled and that there is no concensus on the topic No it doesn't, any more than record high temperatures in Chicago today or record rain in Rhode Island yesterday or record snow in Philadelphia last winter mean very much taken alone. It should at the very least mean that the degree of the GW problem has been overstated by the Algore.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #9 April 1, 2010 Quote Fact is, the science is not settled Far from it Tip: Science is never "settled". Otherwise it wouldn't be science. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #10 April 1, 2010 QuoteQuote Fact is, the science is not settled Far from it Tip: Science is never "settled". Otherwise it wouldn't be science. Exactly"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #11 April 1, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote Fact is, the science is not settled Far from it Tip: Science is never "settled". Otherwise it wouldn't be science. Exactly Do you jump out of planes? Do you drive a car? Do you take any medication? Do you eat any processed foods? Do you listen to your Dr's medical advice? Communicate via the internet? Watch TV? All of that is based on science that hasn't been "settled". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #12 April 1, 2010 But, but the Algore said it was settled science, Didn't he? Or was it the pres? Or was it both of them and a whole bunch more?People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #13 April 1, 2010 Quote .... Fact is, the science is not settled Far from it Jesus Christ, I'm blown away. What a brain wave! Or a brain fart, perhaps? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #14 April 1, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Fact is, the science is not settled Far from it Tip: Science is never "settled". Otherwise it wouldn't be science. Exactly Do you jump out of planes? Do you drive a car? Do you take any medication? Do you eat any processed foods? Do you listen to your Dr's medical advice? Communicate via the internet? Watch TV? All of that is based on science that hasn't been "settled". Dude, I am agreeing with you What the heck is your point???"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #15 April 1, 2010 Quote Quote .... Fact is, the science is not settled Far from it Jesus Christ, I'm blown away. What a brain wave! Or a brain fart, perhaps? I doubt Jesus Christ will help you with this so you are on your own. But is it nice you ask him You think the science is a done deal? Got all the answers? If so explain"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #16 April 1, 2010 They're conveniently forgetting the inconvenient truth that the GW activists called it settled science. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #17 April 1, 2010 Quote They're conveniently forgetting the inconvenient truth that the GW activists called it settled science. I know Gotta twist it to keep it interesting I guess And of course there is the consensus point that was so popular too"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #18 April 1, 2010 Quote Quote They're conveniently forgetting the inconvenient truth that the GW activists called it settled science. I know Gotta twist it to keep it interesting I guess And of course there is the consensus point that was so popular too Marc, twice in the past week you've posted something on climate change with accompanying comment or thread title that indicates either you didn't read what you posted, or you read it and misinterpreted what you read. You have proved conclusively that you have no credibility as a commentator on any scientific topic. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #19 April 1, 2010 Quote Quote Quote They're conveniently forgetting the inconvenient truth that the GW activists called it settled science. I know Gotta twist it to keep it interesting I guess And of course there is the consensus point that was so popular too Marc, twice in the past week you've posted something on climate change with accompanying comment or thread title that indicates either you didn't read what you posted, or you read it and misinterpreted what you read. You have proved conclusively that you have no credibility as a commentator on any scientific topic. Why thank you John and you have proved conclusively why I dont give a fuck about what you thinkWhat ever that is cause you just post in the abstract (cause you are afraid to tell anyone what you really think unless it is a jab?) Fun shit huh"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #20 April 1, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Shhh...I think I hear the sound of AGW dollars being flushed down the drain. Not that anything is finished at this time from this post as there is disagreement even about it. But, it does further my position that the "science" is far from settled and that there is no concensus on the topic No it doesn't, any more than record high temperatures in Chicago today or record rain in Rhode Island yesterday or record snow in Philadelphia last winter mean very much taken alone. Correct. Although exceptional patterns of winds are always going to be the proximate cause of any extreme ice event. We know that there was an exceptional winter for the Arctic oscillation, which affected the winds and the concomitant ice melt. On the other hand, one of the interesting things about science is seeing how unexpected observations can galvanize the scientific community into looking at a problem in a different way than before. A good example of this is the unexpectedly low Arctic sea ice minimum in 2007 and the near-repeat in 2008. What was unexpected was not the long term decline of summer ice (this has long been a robust prediction), but the size of 2007 and 2008 decreases which were much larger than any model had hinted at. This model-data mismatch raised a number of obvious questions – were the data reliable? are the models missing some key physics? is the comparison being done appropriately? – and some less obvious ones – to what extent is the summer sea ice minimum even predictable? what is the role of pre-conditioning from the previous year vs. the stochastic nature of the weather patterns in any particular summer? The same should hopefully hold true for unexpectedly high maximums or even a significant unpredicted deviation from the trend. Climate science is certainly susceptible to the variations of observed weather. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #21 April 1, 2010 Quote Do you jump out of planes? Do you drive a car? Do you take any medication? Do you eat any processed foods? Do you listen to your Dr's medical advice? Communicate via the internet? Watch TV? All of that is based on science that hasn't been "settled". Which part of jumping out of planes (presuming this is gravity) has changed in the past few centuries? A lot of science is in fact settled. It could be reopened if it fails to predict (hello GW debaters!) accurately. Now if you want to talk about the GPS units that some may over rely on for jump operations, there you will see some corrections to Newton's Laws due to relativistic concerns. But falling out the door? Pretty straightforward stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #22 April 2, 2010 QuoteQuoteNo it doesn't, any more than record high temperatures in Chicago today or record rain in Rhode Island yesterday or record snow in Philadelphia last winter mean very much taken alone. Shh - I think I hear some right-wingers struggling with the concept of "Geological Timescale". Pro-tip: It's not the RIGHT that posts charts w/o the MWP or LIA. It's not the RIGHT that keep 'adjusting' the temp records. It's not the RIGHT that talks of getting rid of the 'blip' in the 1940's.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #23 April 2, 2010 Quote Marc, twice in the past week you've posted something on climate change with accompanying comment or thread title that indicates either you didn't read what you posted, or you read it and misinterpreted what you read. You have proved conclusively that you have no credibility as a commentator on any scientific topic. So, since you've posted over and over again about 'existing law' that isn't actually extant, you're saying that you have no credibility as a commentator on any self-defense or firearm topic.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #24 April 2, 2010 Quote Quote Marc, twice in the past week you've posted something on climate change with accompanying comment or thread title that indicates either you didn't read what you posted, or you read it and misinterpreted what you read. You have proved conclusively that you have no credibility as a commentator on any scientific topic. So, since you've posted over and over again about 'existing law' that isn't actually extant, you're saying that you have no credibility as a commentator on any self-defense or firearm topic. That comment just indicates (again) that you ignore posts you don't agree with.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #25 April 2, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Marc, twice in the past week you've posted something on climate change with accompanying comment or thread title that indicates either you didn't read what you posted, or you read it and misinterpreted what you read. You have proved conclusively that you have no credibility as a commentator on any scientific topic. So, since you've posted over and over again about 'existing law' that isn't actually extant, you're saying that you have no credibility as a commentator on any self-defense or firearm topic. That comment just indicates (again) that you ignore posts you don't agree with. Maybe you can show what post I supposedly 'ignored', upthread, since I am speaking to the comment about being a 'credible commentator'.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
