1969912 0 #1 March 28, 2010 "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #2 March 28, 2010 Congratulations. You've earned the award for most idiotic thread-start of the day. Every single First World nation save the US has some form of universal national health insurance as part of the social compact in exchange for tax revenues. But those of us who wish to bring our country in line with the rest of the world are "assholes"? You're right; better we keep spending the lion's share of the national budget of the most prosperous nation on the planet on foreign wars, a military-industrial complex and a national security state. Fucking brilliant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #3 March 28, 2010 Democrat?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #4 March 28, 2010 Quote Congratulations. You've earned the award for most idiotic thread-start of the day. Every single First World nation save the US has some form of universal national health insurance as part of the social compact in exchange for tax revenues. But those of us who wish to bring our country in line with the rest of the world are "assholes"? You're right; better we keep spending the lion's share of the national budget of the most prosperous nation on the planet on foreign wars, a military-industrial complex and a national security state. Fucking brilliant. Oh my.... right winger republiclowns concerned with anus..... It just does not get any better than this for so many of them I guess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #5 March 28, 2010 Quote I dunno, why not ask your own party; sounds like they're experts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgDWAvLh0yo&feature=related Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #6 March 28, 2010 QuoteWhat's the plural form of "anus"? Congress (as in the entire body).So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #7 March 28, 2010 QuoteQuoteWhat's the plural form of "anus"? Congress (as in the entire body). We have a winner! There does seem to be a bit of upstream/downstream stratification though. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #8 March 28, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhat's the plural form of "anus"? Congress (as in the entire body). We have a winner! There does seem to be a bit of upstream/downstream stratification though. So you've now impliedly, but quite deliberately, called us (who favor HC) "assholes" twice in this thread. As I said, fucking brilliant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #9 March 28, 2010 Roll over and give lucky a nudge to wake him up. He might agree with you. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #10 March 28, 2010 QuoteRoll over and give lucky a nudge to wake him up. He might agree with you. Ah, so not only "assholes", but homosexuals, too? You're on a hell of a roll. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #11 March 28, 2010 Like a puppet on a string.... "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AdamUSN 0 #13 March 28, 2010 QuoteCongratulations. You've earned the award for most idiotic thread-start of the day. Every single First World nation save the US has some form of universal national health insurance as part of the social compact in exchange for tax revenues. But those of us who wish to bring our country in line with the rest of the world are "assholes"? You're right; better we keep spending the lion's share of the national budget of the most prosperous nation on the planet on foreign wars, a military-industrial complex and a national security state. Fucking brilliant. I do not agree with this one bit. We do have a National Health Care System. It is called Medicare. If that is not bad enough, add to it The Welfare system that is so taken advantage of. Now I would be willing to wager that each and everyone of us knows people on Welfare, that is unless you live in a cave. The Welfare system allows deadbeats to not work, sit at home, get fat and do nothing. Now I believe that this is a good system if you need help to get on your feet, but it should not be used as a soul means of income. The Medicare system is not enough, we need something better. With all of the money that we are spending Importing everything because it is too expensive to manufacture here in the US we could be using that Tax Revenue to pay for a better system. I am not sure what to do about this as I do not have a good answer. I do believe that our President Obama has screwed up the National Debt to a point that not even the Chinese will buy our bonds anymore. Everything could be routed back to 1964 in my opinion. To anyone that knows, this is the year that Silver and Gold replaced the backing for our money. In most other civilized nations in the world gold and silver still back their dollars. So lets side track back to what is going on in the world right now. In 2001 4 planes were hijacked and flown into strategic centers of the United States. 2 into New York and 1 into Washington D.C. We all know that the 4th plane was bound for someplace, but that may never be known. At this point in our Nations History I was working in Denver as a Plumber for Total Plumbing. TP was a large Non Union shop. In the Days following the Skyjacking we started losing big business. Large construction was being cut back because everyone feared for the Dollar. The rich people actually fund most things. Now take into account that a company who spends money has to hire workers, companies and others to do their work. These smaller businesses pay other companies, employees and others. This eventually brings it down to every employee that the smallest of companies has. This money is then in turn used to pay for things, food, groceries, utilities, skydiving, and everything else that we use in everyday life. So when the largest of companies starts holding onto their money it is going to put the entire country in a recession. War, War is big business. The training that we do, the gear that we use, and the services that we require all end up in the consumers' hands. ALL of the Men and Women in today's Armed Forces are doing this voluntarily, the US Military has been a completely Volunteer force since 1973. Everyday it breaks my heart to see that Men and Women are being killed in the Wars. Some of this cannot be prevented, some could with better training. Budget cuts where they are taking away 30 - 40% of our Military Budgets are just going to hurt us. Make no Mistake about it. You see on the news that some American Service Member killed, raped or did some other vile thing to bring down our Nation's respect. What you do not see is that last night our Military members killed over 20 of the Taliban's upper chain of command, their Facilitators, Commanders and Higher Ups. Now that all of this background has been laid out and most of you have stopped reading because it seems long winded lets bring everything back to the health care bill. Why do we need 1200 pages to a health care bill that basically gives us little but takes so much. I guess that you can argue that the rich do not need health care because they can pay for everything from their pockets. So why should they pay for all of the little poor peoples health care? I will tell you that this bill is only going to hurt the little people. Money is getting tighter all the time, Food, Clothing, Gasoline. It all adds up and we will feel this before we see any benefits for the Health Care Bill. Just remember Winston Churchill's Quote from George Orwell's Speach. "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." - Winston Churchill So Andy, continue to say or imply that we shouldn't be spending money on our military-industrial Complex and a national Security State. Because I maybe young, but I remember 6 days where planes didn't fly. With Respect for your Opinion, AdamIf you do things that don't make you appreciate life than why do them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #14 March 28, 2010 QuoteI do not agree with this one bit. We do have a National Health Care System. It is called Medicare. If that is not bad enough, add to it The Welfare system that is so taken advantage of. Now I would be willing to wager that each and everyone of us knows people on Welfare, that is unless you live in a cave. Yea, some people on welfare are called Boeing, Lockheed and so many other corporate welfare programs; yea I know them. QuoteThe Welfare system allows deadbeats to not work, sit at home, get fat and do nothing. Now I believe that this is a good system if you need help to get on your feet, but it should not be used as a soul means of income. Then how do we get Boeing to get back to work and to quit sucking the gov nipple? QuoteThe Medicare system is not enough, we need something better. With all of the money that we are spending Importing everything because it is too expensive to manufacture here in the US we could be using that Tax Revenue to pay for a better system. It's only too expensive due to US corps finding labor cheaper, we need to punish US companies that export work. QuoteI am not sure what to do about this as I do not have a good answer. Raise the top tax brkt to 70%+ as it was since the mid 1930's until fascist pig Ronnie slammed it down to 28%. No more overnight millionaires, but at least we can pay down the debt. QuoteI do believe that our President Obama has screwed up the National Debt to a point that not even the Chinese will buy our bonds anymore. Yea, sep since the debt was 10.6T when Obama inherited it, >8T was under Reagan, Bush, Bush and the 2 Republican runs inherited a very stable debt picture and left a total mess, GWB was the worse with a total banking and mortgage failure.....so I guess you're right, Obama hasn't fucked up the debt. QuoteEverything could be routed back to 1964 in my opinion. To anyone that knows, this is the year that Silver and Gold replaced the backing for our money. In most other civilized nations in the world gold and silver still back their dollars. Ah yea, the top tax brkt was 75%ish and the debt was not a problem. Do you think there is enough gold and silver to back the US Dollar? Me thinks not. So what do we do, contract the money supply to match the amount of gold/silver? Great, last time we did that in the early 80's it drove unemp to 10.8%. Bad idea. QuoteSo lets side track back to what is going on in the world right now. In 2001 4 planes were hijacked and flown into strategic centers of the United States. 2 into New York and 1 into Washington D.C. We all know that the 4th plane was bound for someplace, but that may never be known. At this point in our Nations History I was working in Denver as a Plumber for Total Plumbing. TP was a large Non Union shop. In the Days following the Skyjacking we started losing big business. Large construction was being cut back because everyone feared for the Dollar. The rich people actually fund most things. Rich people hold 93% of all cash and 85% of all cash and asset, so yea, rich people fund most things where distribution gives everything to the rich. QuoteNow take into account that a company who spends money has to hire workers, companies and others to do their work. These smaller businesses pay other companies, employees and others. This eventually brings it down to every employee that the smallest of companies has. This money is then in turn used to pay for things, food, groceries, utilities, skydiving, and everything else that we use in everyday life. So when the largest of companies starts holding onto their money it is going to put the entire country in a recession. Well, yes, in a fascist nation where corporations control the money, write the laws, etc. You nailed it: corporations control everything. In socialism / quasi-socialism the gov controls things for the benefit of the people; a much better system where we don't throw ourselves in front of the train and beg the corps to throw on the brakes out of the kindness of their imaginary hearts. QuoteWar, War is big business. At least in a military industrial complex it is. Probably not real big in, let's say, Scandinavia. QuoteThe training that we do, the gear that we use, and the services that we require all end up in the consumers' hands. HUH???? Do you mean the bill is footed by? Or???? QuoteALL of the Men and Women in today's Armed Forces are doing this voluntarily, the US Military has been a completely Volunteer force since 1973. Well, the is the Selective Service, which in not voluntary and is a federal law, but tehy haven't drafted yet. QuoteEveryday it breaks my heart to see that Men and Women are being killed in the Wars. Some of this cannot be prevented, some could with better training. Agreed as for the heartbreak. I think training is pretty top notch. QuoteBudget cuts where they are taking away 30 - 40% of our Military Budgets are just going to hurt us. Point out military budget cuts, I haven't seen any since GHWB and then Clinton. We match the world in military spending, so I just don't see the skimping; pls show me. QuoteYou see on the news that some American Service Member killed, raped or did some other vile thing to bring down our Nation's respect. What you do not see is that last night our Military members killed over 20 of the Taliban's upper chain of command, their Facilitators, Commanders and Higher Ups. OK, virtually all military service members are honorable, sacrificing people - no arg there. QuoteWhy do we need 1200 pages to a health care bill that basically gives us little but takes so much. Wasn't it 2700 pages? Either way, what does it take? You give us some long, emotional appeal instead of hard facts. Show us the numbers. Where is your long appeal about people w/o HC for years or for people like my GF with Crones Disease who has worked for the Sheriff for 30 years and can't retire due to her pre-existing condition and the insurance issues/costs? Your emotional appeal and waving dead GI's on this page was strictly for emotional leverage; do you think we can't see that? QuoteI guess that you can argue that the rich do not need health care because they can pay for everything from their pockets. So why should they pay for all of the little poor peoples health care? Show me where they are. Mostly, the cost of the HC Bill/Law will just be tacked onto the big rubber check called the debt, the same one that you have no issue with poking 600B for basic military operation and another 150-200B per year for the Iraq/Afg Wars. I have an issue with that spending. QuoteI will tell you that this bill is only going to hurt the little people. And you will do so, as with the rest of your argument, w/o any data. QuoteMoney is getting tighter all the time, Food, Clothing, Gasoline. It all adds up and we will feel this before we see any benefits for the Health Care Bill. Yep and it becomes harder to pay for medical svs, so the bill will bring some relief. QuoteJust remember Winston Churchill's Quote from George Orwell's Speach. Oh, Churchill; couldn't you find a warm, fuzzy Ann Coulter quote? Quote"We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." - Winston Churchill This is more emotional appeal garbage to make us want to not only match the rest of the world with military spending, but to double what we now have. Didn't Jack Nicholson say something like that in, "A Few Good Men?" QuoteSo Andy, continue to say or imply that we shouldn't be spending money on our military-industrial Complex and a national Security State. Because I maybe young, but I remember 6 days where planes didn't fly. Let me ask ya this: Is matching the world dollar for dollar not enough military spending? If not, what is a good amount. I don't expect an answer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iceburner 0 #15 March 28, 2010 the navy's budget was drastically cut last year...dont have the exact numbers, but i can look them up....but from the top of my head i remember it being cut to approx what they spent in 1 month to maintain their ships (if that's confusing, their budget for the year went down to what they had previously spent in a month). Having just gotten off of a deployment where we unfortunatly had to ride these ships...they need more money to repair them...i'm surprised they still float Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #16 March 28, 2010 QuoteCongratulations. You've earned the award for most idiotic thread-start of the day. don't mess with my boy... EDITED FOR CLARITY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smNcTfhlQXMYour secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #17 March 28, 2010 QuoteQuoteCongratulations. You've earned the award for most idiotic thread-start of the day. Every single First World nation save the US has some form of universal national health insurance as part of the social compact in exchange for tax revenues. But those of us who wish to bring our country in line with the rest of the world are "assholes"? You're right; better we keep spending the lion's share of the national budget of the most prosperous nation on the planet on foreign wars, a military-industrial complex and a national security state. Fucking brilliant. I do not agree with this one bit. We do have a National Health Care System. It is called Medicare. If that is not bad enough, add to it The Welfare system that is so taken advantage of. Now I would be willing to wager that each and everyone of us knows people on Welfare, that is unless you live in a cave. The Welfare system allows deadbeats to not work, sit at home, get fat and do nothing. Now I believe that this is a good system if you need help to get on your feet, but it should not be used as a soul means of income. The Medicare system is not enough, we need something better. With all of the money that we are spending Importing everything because it is too expensive to manufacture here in the US we could be using that Tax Revenue to pay for a better system. I am not sure what to do about this as I do not have a good answer. I do believe that our President Obama has screwed up the National Debt to a point that not even the Chinese will buy our bonds anymore. Everything could be routed back to 1964 in my opinion. To anyone that knows, this is the year that Silver and Gold replaced the backing for our money. In most other civilized nations in the world gold and silver still back their dollars. So lets side track back to what is going on in the world right now. In 2001 4 planes were hijacked and flown into strategic centers of the United States. 2 into New York and 1 into Washington D.C. We all know that the 4th plane was bound for someplace, but that may never be known. At this point in our Nations History I was working in Denver as a Plumber for Total Plumbing. TP was a large Non Union shop. In the Days following the Skyjacking we started losing big business. Large construction was being cut back because everyone feared for the Dollar. The rich people actually fund most things. Now take into account that a company who spends money has to hire workers, companies and others to do their work. These smaller businesses pay other companies, employees and others. This eventually brings it down to every employee that the smallest of companies has. This money is then in turn used to pay for things, food, groceries, utilities, skydiving, and everything else that we use in everyday life. So when the largest of companies starts holding onto their money it is going to put the entire country in a recession. War, War is big business. The training that we do, the gear that we use, and the services that we require all end up in the consumers' hands. ALL of the Men and Women in today's Armed Forces are doing this voluntarily, the US Military has been a completely Volunteer force since 1973. Everyday it breaks my heart to see that Men and Women are being killed in the Wars. Some of this cannot be prevented, some could with better training. Budget cuts where they are taking away 30 - 40% of our Military Budgets are just going to hurt us. Make no Mistake about it. You see on the news that some American Service Member killed, raped or did some other vile thing to bring down our Nation's respect. What you do not see is that last night our Military members killed over 20 of the Taliban's upper chain of command, their Facilitators, Commanders and Higher Ups. Now that all of this background has been laid out and most of you have stopped reading because it seems long winded lets bring everything back to the health care bill. Why do we need 1200 pages to a health care bill that basically gives us little but takes so much. I guess that you can argue that the rich do not need health care because they can pay for everything from their pockets. So why should they pay for all of the little poor peoples health care? I will tell you that this bill is only going to hurt the little people. Money is getting tighter all the time, Food, Clothing, Gasoline. It all adds up and we will feel this before we see any benefits for the Health Care Bill. Just remember Winston Churchill's Quote from George Orwell's Speach. "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." - Winston Churchill So Andy, continue to say or imply that we shouldn't be spending money on our military-industrial Complex and a national Security State. Because I maybe young, but I remember 6 days where planes didn't fly. With Respect for your Opinion, Adam Very well stated, thank you. I don't quite understand the need for the U.S.A. to be like every other civilized country on the planet. Our flag represents an ideal, not territory. Why our so called leaders wish to destroy that ideal leaves me dumbfounded. I am certain there is a money trail there somewhere that can be charted and followed. All that is above my pay grade. I have faith that there are some right minded individuals at that pay grade that can and will find the proper course. The starting point, hopefully, will be in November. We must vote wisely.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #18 March 28, 2010 Quote the navy's budget was drastically cut last year...dont have the exact numbers, but i can look them up....but from the top of my head i remember it being cut to approx what they spent in 1 month to maintain their ships (if that's confusing, their budget for the year went down to what they had previously spent in a month). Having just gotten off of a deployment where we unfortunatly had to ride these ships...they need more money to repair them...i'm surprised they still float I'm sure 1 division, etc cat be cut and others appropriated more heavily, but since GHWB and Clinton cut funding and fixed the economy/balanced the budget, the last turd and the R congress blew out spending both on teh military basic support and the Iraq War(s). To look at one division is a microcosm and Obama hasn't cut military spending...yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #19 March 28, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteCongratulations. You've earned the award for most idiotic thread-start of the day. Every single First World nation save the US has some form of universal national health insurance as part of the social compact in exchange for tax revenues. But those of us who wish to bring our country in line with the rest of the world are "assholes"? You're right; better we keep spending the lion's share of the national budget of the most prosperous nation on the planet on foreign wars, a military-industrial complex and a national security state. Fucking brilliant. I do not agree with this one bit. We do have a National Health Care System. It is called Medicare. If that is not bad enough, add to it The Welfare system that is so taken advantage of. Now I would be willing to wager that each and everyone of us knows people on Welfare, that is unless you live in a cave. The Welfare system allows deadbeats to not work, sit at home, get fat and do nothing. Now I believe that this is a good system if you need help to get on your feet, but it should not be used as a soul means of income. The Medicare system is not enough, we need something better. With all of the money that we are spending Importing everything because it is too expensive to manufacture here in the US we could be using that Tax Revenue to pay for a better system. I am not sure what to do about this as I do not have a good answer. I do believe that our President Obama has screwed up the National Debt to a point that not even the Chinese will buy our bonds anymore. Everything could be routed back to 1964 in my opinion. To anyone that knows, this is the year that Silver and Gold replaced the backing for our money. In most other civilized nations in the world gold and silver still back their dollars. So lets side track back to what is going on in the world right now. In 2001 4 planes were hijacked and flown into strategic centers of the United States. 2 into New York and 1 into Washington D.C. We all know that the 4th plane was bound for someplace, but that may never be known. At this point in our Nations History I was working in Denver as a Plumber for Total Plumbing. TP was a large Non Union shop. In the Days following the Skyjacking we started losing big business. Large construction was being cut back because everyone feared for the Dollar. The rich people actually fund most things. Now take into account that a company who spends money has to hire workers, companies and others to do their work. These smaller businesses pay other companies, employees and others. This eventually brings it down to every employee that the smallest of companies has. This money is then in turn used to pay for things, food, groceries, utilities, skydiving, and everything else that we use in everyday life. So when the largest of companies starts holding onto their money it is going to put the entire country in a recession. War, War is big business. The training that we do, the gear that we use, and the services that we require all end up in the consumers' hands. ALL of the Men and Women in today's Armed Forces are doing this voluntarily, the US Military has been a completely Volunteer force since 1973. Everyday it breaks my heart to see that Men and Women are being killed in the Wars. Some of this cannot be prevented, some could with better training. Budget cuts where they are taking away 30 - 40% of our Military Budgets are just going to hurt us. Make no Mistake about it. You see on the news that some American Service Member killed, raped or did some other vile thing to bring down our Nation's respect. What you do not see is that last night our Military members killed over 20 of the Taliban's upper chain of command, their Facilitators, Commanders and Higher Ups. Now that all of this background has been laid out and most of you have stopped reading because it seems long winded lets bring everything back to the health care bill. Why do we need 1200 pages to a health care bill that basically gives us little but takes so much. I guess that you can argue that the rich do not need health care because they can pay for everything from their pockets. So why should they pay for all of the little poor peoples health care? I will tell you that this bill is only going to hurt the little people. Money is getting tighter all the time, Food, Clothing, Gasoline. It all adds up and we will feel this before we see any benefits for the Health Care Bill. Just remember Winston Churchill's Quote from George Orwell's Speach. "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." - Winston Churchill So Andy, continue to say or imply that we shouldn't be spending money on our military-industrial Complex and a national Security State. Because I maybe young, but I remember 6 days where planes didn't fly. With Respect for your Opinion, Adam Very well stated, thank you. I don't quite understand the need for the U.S.A. to be like every other civilized country on the planet. Our flag represents an ideal, not territory. Why our so called leaders wish to destroy that ideal leaves me dumbfounded. I am certain there is a money trail there somewhere that can be charted and followed. All that is above my pay grade. I have faith that there are some right minded individuals at that pay grade that can and will find the proper course. The starting point, hopefully, will be in November. We must vote wisely. Whenlibs refer to rhetoric, this is what we mean. No insult intended, but the conservatives don't seem to address issues, just feelings of, you know, wink, this is how we do it, hence conservatism which is tradition/regression. Try addressing issues sunstantively instead of yelling "911" everytime you get stuck. This is teh differece of the language between libs and connies; libs talk issues, connies talk feelings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #20 March 28, 2010 QuoteI don't quite understand the need for the U.S.A. to be like every other civilized country on the planet. I'll give you a hint: it has something to do with being civilized. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #21 March 28, 2010 Quote Whenlibs refer to rhetoric, this is what we mean. No insult intended, but the conservatives don't seem to address issues, just feelings of, you know, wink, this is how we do it, hence conservatism which is tradition/regression. Try addressing issues sunstantively instead of yelling "911" everytime you get stuck. This is teh differece of the language between libs and connies; libs talk issues, connies talk feelings. Yep! Movements start with folks who share the same passion coming together. The same way BHO rallied his support to get into politics at the turn of the century. The pendulum swings back and forth and now it is time to get the swing to the conservative side.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #22 March 28, 2010 QuoteQuote Whenlibs refer to rhetoric, this is what we mean. No insult intended, but the conservatives don't seem to address issues, just feelings of, you know, wink, this is how we do it, hence conservatism which is tradition/regression. Try addressing issues sunstantively instead of yelling "911" everytime you get stuck. This is teh differece of the language between libs and connies; libs talk issues, connies talk feelings. Yep! Movements start with folks who share the same passion coming together. The same way BHO rallied his support to get into politics at the turn of the century. The pendulum swings back and forth and now it is time to get the swing to the conservative side. I see, it swung left for what, 3 years now and you think it's time to go right for 20-30 more again. OK. The point I was making I think you missed, it's the process that each ideology uses; libs examine issues, conservatives blindly support feelings that are preset. Just read this thread, the conservative approach is to get the emotion boiling and then to say, 'Now, do we really want to pass issue x?' Libs will take issue X and dissect it for it's merits rather than already know what they are going to do based upon a precept. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #23 March 28, 2010 Quote... The pendulum swings back and forth and now it is time to get the swing to the conservative side. Pah ... that's a pretty lop-sided swing you'd have going there... Bush and his mob of morons had the upper hand for way too long. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #24 March 28, 2010 QuoteQuote... The pendulum swings back and forth and now it is time to get the swing to the conservative side. Pah ... that's a pretty lop-sided swing you'd have going there... Bush and his mob of morons had the upper hand for waty too long. Yea, 20 of 28 years and these were the worst debt years in all the world likely, while these same suspects are screaming about too much spending. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #25 March 28, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote... The pendulum swings back and forth and now it is time to get the swing to the conservative side. Pah ... that's a pretty lop-sided swing you'd have going there... Bush and his mob of morons had the upper hand for waty too long. Yea, 20 of 28 years and these were the worst debt years in all the world likely, while these same suspects are screaming about too much spending. What gets me is why do you foreigners even care what our government does? I am not concerned about your country's government. Exception, how do they treat our missionaries?Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites