Fox was crazy when then said it so now what??

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When fox said things like this they were called a bunch of right wing nuts. Now what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0wc7btrpgc

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I cannot believe that came from CNN. WOW. Good for them.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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Yes, because we all know that Cafferty is the most left wing liberal of all the socialists running CNN.

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Yes, because we all know that Cafferty is the most left wing liberal of all the socialists running CNN.

So , (to put the words in your mouth) he is lying?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Yes, because we all know that Cafferty is the most left wing liberal of all the socialists running CNN.

So , (to put the words in your mouth) he is lying?

I'm saying that Cafferty is a nutjob that has no place at CNN. He's definitely not a centrist and would be very at home over at FoxNews.

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Yes, because we all know that Cafferty is the most left wing liberal of all the socialists running CNN.

So , (to put the words in your mouth) he is lying?

I'm saying that Cafferty is a nutjob that has no place at CNN. He's definitely not a centrist and would be very at home over at FoxNews.

So he is lying?

Or is the only way out for you to go after the messenger?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Yes, because we all know that Cafferty is the most left wing liberal of all the socialists running CNN.

So , (to put the words in your mouth) he is lying?

I'm saying that Cafferty is a nutjob that has no place at CNN. He's definitely not a centrist and would be very at home over at FoxNews.

So, is he lying?

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

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So he is lying?

Yes. "Informal" is not another word for "secret."

Cafferty claims Obama hasn't made an effort to maintain an open government, yet this Administration is far more open than the previous one. Cafferty claims it was all just a lie told to get elected, yet clearly that's not the case; again, this Administration is far more open than the previous one.

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So he is lying?

Yes. "Informal" is not another word for "secret."

So Obama and Pelosi have met your standard for open, honest and ethical governance?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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He used to be on Fox News but went to CNN a few years ago.

Matt

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So, start being safe, first!!!

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Ummm .....you got some of that on your shoe.

Please don't dent the planet.

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He used to be on Fox News but went to CNN a few years ago.

Matt

He was never on the Fox News Channel. He was on a local Fox 5 station in NYC for a short while.

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Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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Hmm, thought it was a National Fox program.

Any way does it matter?

He speaks his mind and apparently he has ruffled A LOT of feathers on both sides of the Isle, GOOD. He should that is the job of the media, to question and inform and if it ruffles feathers and causes the truth to come out, even better. So much of the media has lost sight of that.

Matt

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So, start being safe, first!!!

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So he is lying?

Yes. "Informal" is not another word for "secret."

Cafferty claims Obama hasn't made an effort to maintain an open government, yet this Administration is far more open than the previous one. Cafferty claims it was all just a lie told to get elected, yet clearly that's not the case; again, this Administration is far more open than the previous one.

Okay. So Obama's administration is not open. It's just "more open." Or can it be said, "less closed?" Is it kinda like "white clouds are more transoparent than black clouds." The problem is that neither are "blue skies."

Here's the thing, Paul - he's either open or he isn't. You tacitly admit that his administration isn't open because you are saying he's "more open" than Bush. Hey, if Bush was the prior record setter with blue skies then you'd have a point. But I don't think you are saying anything complimentary by your comparison. [Sly]

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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So?

***So Obama and Pelosi have met your standard for open, honest and ethical governance?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Ummm .....you got some of that on your shoe.

Stepped in it huh

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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So he is lying?

Yes. "Informal" is not another word for "secret."
Cafferty claims Obama hasn't made an effort to maintain an open government, yet this Administration is far more open than the previous one. Cafferty claims it was all just a lie told to get elected, yet clearly that's not the case; again, this Administration is far more open than the previous one.

Okay. So Obama's administration is not open. It's just "more open." Or can it be said, "less closed?" Is it kinda like "white clouds are more transoparent than black clouds." The problem is that neither are "blue skies."
Here's the thing, Paul - he's either open or he isn't. You tacitly admit that his administration isn't open because you are saying he's "more open" than Bush. Hey, if Bush was the prior record setter with blue skies then you'd have a point. But I don't think you are saying anything complimentary by your comparison. [Sly]

No government will ever be 100% transparent that's simply not possible for a number of reasons and Obama never promised his would be either.

What he did do was say it would be as transparent as possible and he's gone further in that direction than any President that you can name. That's not to say it's perfect, but it's going away from bad and towards good.

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What he did do was say it would be as transparent as possible and he's gone further in that direction than any President that you can name. That's not to say it's perfect, but it's going away from bad and towards good.

Uuuuuh... ....what? Wool? Eyes? Cave on the moon?

As for your challenge of naming a President that was more transparent, I'm sure there are many, but we all know that can't be simply "measured". Either way I'll go ahead and say, Clinton. As long as it's not Bush or another repub right?... I'm going to say' "I won your challenge." I think Clinton was more transparent, can you prove me wrong? I doubt it.

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What he did do was say it would be as transparent as possible and he's gone further in that direction than any President that you can name. That's not to say it's perfect, but it's going away from bad and towards good.

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Obama sucks less

Frankly my 6 year old could have made that hurdle...

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So he is lying?

Yes. "Informal" is not another word for "secret."
Cafferty claims Obama hasn't made an effort to maintain an open government, yet this Administration is far more open than the previous one. Cafferty claims it was all just a lie told to get elected, yet clearly that's not the case; again, this Administration is far more open than the previous one.

Okay. So Obama's administration is not open. It's just "more open." Or can it be said, "less closed?" Is it kinda like "white clouds are more transoparent than black clouds." The problem is that neither are "blue skies."
Here's the thing, Paul - he's either open or he isn't. You tacitly admit that his administration isn't open because you are saying he's "more open" than Bush. Hey, if Bush was the prior record setter with blue skies then you'd have a point. But I don't think you are saying anything complimentary by your comparison. [Sly]

No government will ever be 100% transparent that's simply not possible for a number of reasons and Obama never promised his would be either.

What he did do was say it would be as transparent as possible and he's gone further in that direction than any President that you can name. That's not to say it's perfect, but it's going away from bad and towards good.

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So Obama and Pelosi have met your standard for open, honest and ethical governance?

Yes or no?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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So Obama and Pelosi have met your standard for open, honest and ethical governance?

Yes or no?

Mine is not a binary world. They are moving in the right direction. Away from no and toward yes. It takes longer than a couple of years to undo the fuck ups of the previous eight.

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So Obama and Pelosi have met your standard for open, honest and ethical governance?

Yes or no?

Mine is not a binary world. They are moving in the right direction. Away from no and toward yes. It takes longer than a couple of years to undo the fuck ups of the previous eight.

Binary?
Principled would be a better word

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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So Obama and Pelosi have met your standard for open, honest and ethical governance?

Yes or no?

Mine is not a binary world. They are moving in the right direction. Away from no and toward yes. It takes longer than a couple of years to undo the fuck ups of the previous eight.

Binary?
Principled would be a better word

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Damn there you go again

Broke it again

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I concur with ridestrong. He's making the point that you are placing a quantitative standard on a qualitative idea. More or less transparent? The most transparent?

With what? Check out some transparency promises that he made that on which he's backed off. This is either due to: (1) transparency being campaign puffery; or (2) the promise of transparency being naivete on the campaign trail.

I'm more apt to believe the latter. IT's the reason why so many of his promises are being dropped as Bush's policies are continued. As if he's in office now and thinking, "Man. I know a lot more now than I did while campaigning."

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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"Man. I know a lot more now than I did while campaigning."

And you don't think that would be true of anyone?

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