No, it's NOT OK

[wmw999 2,586]

Threats to congresscritters

It doesn't really matter if you're pissed -- threatening others is unacceptable. And the Minority Leader's statement at the bottom is nice and unequivocal -- hopefully some people will listen to it.

I don't listen to talk radio (well, other than "Car Talk" ) -- is anyone fomenting anger over the health care bill that seems likely to spill into actual vandalism and threats?

If so, fuck'em, and I hope they can be outed, frankly. It's not OK.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rehmwa 2]

I Agree -

And it's not just threats to Dems - Our own Michelle Bachman gets daily threats for opposing the public option - but that seems ok here by many.

She doesn't seem to whine about it as much as the dems do though.

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[Andy9o8 2]

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I Agree -

And it's not just threats to Dems - Our own Michelle Bachman gets daily threats for opposing the public option - but that seems ok here by many.

She doesn't seem to whine about it as much as the dems do though.

Every senator and congressman gets nasty crank calls and mail every day. To a certain extent, it unfortunately is par for the course, and comes with the territory. It's wrong no matter who does it, or who it's done to.

But is there a concerted effort to physically intimidate people on the Republican side of this? How many bricks were hurled through Republicans' windows? How many Republicans were targeted with maps with "crosshairs" on them? How many Republicans were spat upon? How many Republicans' families' homes had propane gas lines deliberately slashed? All that has happened to Democrats within the past few days.

http://www.startribune.com/nation/89059677.html

http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2010/03/hurled_bricks_threats_surround.html

[Rstanley0312 1]

If so, fuck'em, and I hope they can be outed, frankly. It's not OK.

I love it when you drop the F bomb Wendy!

I totally agree.... it is NEVER okay!

Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it.
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www.fundraiseadventure.com

[pirana 0]

Agreed.

Take it to the ballot box.

VOTE (Vote Out The Incumbents)

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[Channman 2]

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I Agree -

And it's not just threats to Dems - Our own Michelle Bachman gets daily threats for opposing the public option - but that seems ok here by many.

She doesn't seem to whine about it as much as the dems do though.

Every senator and congressman gets nasty crank calls and mail every day. To a certain extent, it unfortunately is par for the course, and comes with the territory. It's wrong no matter who does it, or who it's done to.

But is there a concerted effort to physically intimidate people on the Republican side of this? How many bricks were hurled through Republicans' windows? How many Republicans were targeted with maps with "crosshairs" on them? How many Republicans were spat upon? How many Republicans' families' homes had propane gas lines deliberately slashed? All that has happened to Democrats within the past few days.

http://www.startribune.com/nation/89059677.html

http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2010/03/hurled_bricks_threats_surround.html

How many Democrat Presidents still living had several Movies made of their assassination? Your crying falls on deaf ears dude. Republicans have had their fair share of shit thrown at them from liberals.

This crap is wrong and those found responsible will be held to account. Dems hopefully will be held to account by the people in November when they vote.

[billvon 3,111]

> Your crying falls on deaf ears dude.

It's unfortunate that so many people here ignore violence simply because "the other side" has done bad stuff in the past. An eye for an eye doesn't work.

[airdvr 210]

Let's try and maintain some perspective here. There are cranks on both sides of this debate and I think the Dems do a better job using the media to further this perception.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[Andy9o8 2]

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How many Democrat Presidents still living had several Movies made of their assassination?

Several? More like one. Anyhow, I realize you're terribly eager at the chance to blame that on American lefties, but that was a British-made film.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_a_President

Of perverse interest is the fact that it got an award at the Toronto film festival.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-405644/George-Bush-assassination-film-wins-award.html

Interestingly enough, this article notes:

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the British film-makers had to be guarded by private security men at the film festival after threats were made on their lives.

And so it goes.

[lawrocket 3]

Absolutely, Bill. What's wrong is wrong even if everybody does it. And right is right if nobody does it.

Yes, these threatening phone calls happen daily and frequently to and from all sides. Yes, it's par for the course. Something pretty sucky about that, eh?

I would imagine that Sarah Palin gets more than Hillary Clinton. It's what happens. It's still wrong.

Vandalism is a crime. It's wrong.

Trespassing is a crime.

Unfortunately, there is such a fundamental breakdown in communications that civil conversation is difficult. There is also such a thorough and complete lack of respect shown on both sides that it is downright pathetic.

Palin is an idiot.
Obama is a socialist.
Bush is a loser.
Gore is a commie.
Etc.

All efforts to trivialize. Demean and debase the other side. The opponents. "Well, they're just rednecks who don't know better.". "They're just bible thumping bigots.". "They're just ignorant queer lovers." "They aren't REAL Americans.". "This is patriotic."

Yep. All positions seeking their moral superiority. I recall being accused on this forum a couple of years ago that I "just don't care." This was wrong. I happen to care a lot about things the other poster cared not as much.

Alas, when people feel disrespected they tically will respond in kind. When people feel powerless they will try to assert their power. When people feel ignored they will try to make themselves be heard.

It's a shame things come to this. We've been working on it for a long time.

I'd like to see it reversed.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[rushmc 23]

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I Agree -

And it's not just threats to Dems - Our own Michelle Bachman gets daily threats for opposing the public option - but that seems ok here by many.

She doesn't seem to whine about it as much as the dems do though.

Every senator and congressman gets nasty crank calls and mail every day. To a certain extent, it unfortunately is par for the course, and comes with the territory. It's wrong no matter who does it, or who it's done to.

But is there a concerted effort to physically intimidate people on the Republican side of this? How many bricks were hurled through Republicans' windows? How many Republicans were targeted with maps with "crosshairs" on them? How many Republicans were spat upon? How many Republicans' families' homes had propane gas lines deliberately slashed? All that has happened to Democrats within the past few days.

http://www.startribune.com/nation/89059677.html

http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2010/03/hurled_bricks_threats_surround.html

Only one has been shot at that I know of recently

***Cantor Says Campaign Office Was Shot At, Accuses Dems of Exploiting Threats


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/25/rep-cantors-richmond-campaign-office-shot-overnight/

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Ion01 2]

Okay, but lets ignore that some people on the other side have recieved actual threats on their life not just angry phone calls.
Lets ignore that some people were not informing the FBI they were scared but the FBI came to them saying their lives were at risk.
Lets ignore that they also claim a congressman was spit on when the video shows thats not true.
Lets ignore that they claim that the "n" and "f" word was used but they have no proof of it while the VP uses the "f" word.
Lets ignore the "tea party" protestor who got his finger bitten off by the left.
Ignore the black man who was called racial slurrs and beaten up because he was a "tea partier".
Lets ignore the violence of the left at Copenhaigen.
Ignore the fact that obama said that people needed to get in thier faces and that they will hit back twice as hard.
Ignore the man who flew his airplane into a government building in TX because, as he said in his letter on his website, that government wasn't doing enough and wasn't passing healthcare.
Lets ignore that congress just passed a completely and totally unconstitutional bill that will destroy more of the economy and that they said openly they would pass it by any means necessary.
Ignore them when they say "it takes a long time to do the necessary administrative steps that have to be taken to put the legislation together to control the people."
Ignore the video of osama bin ladin saying he will kill more americans. Ignore all the violent riots from the left over the history of the country.
Ignore the numerous lies like the transparency of the government and that everything would be on CSPAN. Ignore the fact that "tea party" people were not let in to town hall meetings.
Ignore the fact that the people in congress have called the tea party people NAZI's and points to images of people with swastika as evidence when the people are actually extreme leftist or communists.
Ignore the fact that obama said the U.S. Constitution “ reflected the fundamental flaw of this country that continues to this day”.
Ignore the fact that the people who help write the healthcare bill were involved in bombing the pentigon.
Ignore the fact that some of obama's advisors were once in prison.
Ignore the fact that many of them are tax cheats.
Ignore the fact that obama chose an admitted communist as an advisor.
Ignore the fact that in the first year the deficit quadrupled.
Ignore the fact that unemployment went over 8% when they said it wouldn't.
Ignore the fact that there were bomb threats made to tea party rallies forcing evacuations.
Ignore that Al Gore urged people to use civil disobedience.
Ignore, the racism and hate speach of the man married the obama's and where they went to church for years.
Ignore the fact that obama sought out marxist professors.
Ignore the fact that when people would call them to ask question they were cussed and and hung up on.
Ignore the fact that a reporter was shoved to the ground by one of their aids.
Ignore them when they say things like, we can't know whats in the bill until we pass it.
Ignore all the threats and deals made to democrats to get their vote on the healthcare bill.
Ignore the violence seen over and over from union protests.
Ignore obama when he said that children from failed abortions should not be given care ignore his advisor who says we can kill children until they reach the age of two because they aren't a person.
Ignore the advisor when he says animals should be able to bring sue against people and we should put something in water to make people sterile so they can control population.
Ignore their belief in things like eugenics which ultimately resulted in thousands being made sterile without them know here and the nazi exterminations.
Ignore the fact that a representative on the left said the nazi's were beating us at our own game when they started the exterminations.
Ignore the fact that they took over GM and it continues to fail and loose jobs.
Ignore the fact that they ridiculed and bussed payed protestors to peoples houses because they got bonuses but they gave themselves raises on our tax dollars.
Ignore the fact they ridiculed people for using private jets or SUV's when they use thier own private jets or use military jets for thier own or family travel. Ignore the anger and name calling of the left media against anyone who doesn't agree with them.
Ignore it all!!!!!!!!!! because they got some angry phone calls......... ignore it all because they are the real victims .....not the american people.

[Andy9o8 2]

Dude, have you never heard of paragraph breaks? I won't even begin to try reading that. I bet many others won't either.

[Andy9o8 2]

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Cantor Says Campaign Office Was Shot At, Accuses Dems of Exploiting Threats

I am a Tauron; blood for blood.

-Caprica, 2010.

[Ion01 2]

Fixed just for you

On the other hand we have Chris Matthews saying that Republicans should be looked at as criminals for ensighting this violence through thier speech but, once again, we should ignore things like this that he and others have said over and over:
"You guys see Live and Let Die, the great Bond film with Yaphet Kotto as the bad guy, Mr. Big? In the end they jam a big CO2 pellet in his face and he blew up. I have to tell you, Rush Limbaugh is looking more and more like Mr. Big, and at some point somebody's going to jam a CO2 pellet into his head and he's going to explode like a giant blimp. That day may come. Not yet. But we'll be there to watch. I think he's Mr. Big, I think Yaphet Kotto. Are you watching, Rush?"

[rushmc 23]

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Fixed just for you

On the other hand we have Chris Matthews saying that Republicans should be looked at as criminals for ensighting this violence through thier speech but, once again, we should ignore things like this that he and others have said over and over:
"You guys see Live and Let Die, the great Bond film with Yaphet Kotto as the bad guy, Mr. Big? In the end they jam a big CO2 pellet in his face and he blew up. I have to tell you, Rush Limbaugh is looking more and more like Mr. Big, and at some point somebody's going to jam a CO2 pellet into his head and he's going to explode like a giant blimp. That day may come. Not yet. But we'll be there to watch. I think he's Mr. Big, I think Yaphet Kotto. Are you watching, Rush?"

Such a compasionant (if poorly informed) opinion

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Cantor Says Campaign Office Was Shot At, Accuses Dems of Exploiting Threats

I am a Tauron; blood for blood.

-Caprica, 2010.

And who has now drawn first blood by an act?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Andy9o8 2]

Relax - he means the other Rush.

[rushmc 23]

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Relax - he means the other Rush.

Really

Oh you are such a help......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[sfzombie 3]

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Dude, have you never heard of paragraph breaks? I won't even begin to try reading that. I bet many others won't either.

i didn't intend for anyone to read it, i just needed to get it off my chest.

http://kitswv.com

[lawrocket 3]

And the disrespectful flames keep on growing...

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[Ion01 2]

Also, don't forget to ignore all the times even representatives mentioned killing George Bush.
Ignore the bumperstickers and websites and even games about killing George Bush......its the right who has all the violent speech.

[JohnnyD 0]

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I would imagine that Sarah Palin gets more than Hillary Clinton. It's what happens. It's still wrong.

How in the world would you come to that conclusion?
I would think its exactly the opposite.

[wmw999 2,586]

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And the disrespectful flames keep on growing...

Thanks. The essence of a good discussion is that each party has enough respect for the other person to listen to what they say.

Because discussion is about interchange, and not just having a forum to express your ideas and then stick your fingers in your ears to say na-na-na-na-na-na-na. Or the other favored school "you think that's bad here's what happened to my side."

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Andy9o8 2]

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And the disrespectful flames keep on growing...

You mean flames like this?

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/03/23/rnc-head-michael-steele-defends-fiery-anti-pelosi-ad/

ETA: you think that's bad here's what happened to my side.