rhaig 0 #1 March 23, 2010 Quote when there's a bill that ends up on my desk as president, you, the public, will have five days to look online and find out what's in it before I sign it. now... I'll be the first one to concede this was a campaign promise, and should never have been believed in the first place. But to all the Obama fans, is there any other explanation than this is a broken campaign promise? For other bills that he's broken this promise on they've claimed technical issues posting bills, but the bill hasn't even been on his desk 5 days much less posted.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #2 March 23, 2010 Quote Quote when there's a bill that ends up on my desk as president, you, the public, will have five days to look online and find out what's in it before I sign it. now... I'll be the first one to concede this was a campaign promise, and should never have been believed in the first place. But to all the Obama fans, is there any other explanation than this is a broken campaign promise? For other bills that he's broken this promise on they've claimed technical issues posting bills, but the bill hasn't even been on his desk 5 days much less posted. It's been under discussion for months. Anyone that wanted to know its content has had more than ample opportunity. Unfortunately, most people just wanted to believe lies about death panels and paying for abortions of illegal immigrants... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #3 March 23, 2010 The bill Obama signed (HR 3590) has been posted for quite a while. The reconciliation bill (HR 4872) is apparently dated 3/17/10. I don't know when it was posted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #4 March 23, 2010 Why read something that was changed 4503409480983405983409 times before it got to where it is now? 2300 pages worth? they could sneak in that they are going to murder entire classes of 5 year olds and get away with it. Between the amount of legal speak and the number of pages it equates to just baffling us with a ton of bullshit Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #5 March 23, 2010 Quote Why read something that was changed 4503409480983405983409 times before it got to where it is now? 2300 pages worth? they could sneak in that they are going to murder entire classes of 5 year olds and get away with it. Between the amount of legal speak and the number of pages it equates to just baffling us with a ton of bullshit DUUUUDE talk about a ton of bullshit... Yall got some BIG ASS SHOVELS yall are using out there in the third world Red States. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #6 March 23, 2010 did you read it? if you did, did you understand it in all its legalspeak? Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #7 March 23, 2010 Quote did you read it? if you did, did you understand it in all its legalspeak? I am sure the brains over at FAUX News have read it all to you right, so they can disseminate all the usual spewage??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #8 March 23, 2010 I tried to read it. Could not get through the repetivness of the sections. Need a cliff notes version without all the "on this day, according to section 150 of chaper 9 of the bla bla bla. Just say it like it is. We are doing a govt takeover of student loans you will be forced to do... We will pay for this by... All ur base belong to us! Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #9 March 23, 2010 Quote did you read it? if you did, did you understand it in all its legalspeak? I actually went through most of it back in the November time frame. Most of the main points under discussion are pretty in-your-face. The long and heavily legalese nature of it is because the bill makes numerous changes to the tax code to implement everything. Plus, I think Fox in Socks has more words per page than this bill does. It takes them several pages just to say that employers that subsidise health care have to start reporting the value on W-2s. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #10 March 23, 2010 Quote I tried to read it. Could not get through the repetivness of the sections. Need a cliff notes version without all the "on this day, according to section 150 of chaper 9 of the bla bla bla. Just say it like it is. We are doing a govt takeover of student loans you will be forced to do... We will pay for this by... All ur base belong to us! OMG ITS A SIGN OF ARMEGEDDON FOR SURE.. IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #11 March 23, 2010 2012 is right around the corner. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #12 March 23, 2010 Quote 2012 is right around the corner. I have my boat.. I think all the rest of you are fucked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TankBuster 0 #13 March 24, 2010 Quote Quote when there's a bill that ends up on my desk as president, you, the public, will have five days to look online and find out what's in it before I sign it. now... I'll be the first one to concede this was a campaign promise, and should never have been believed in the first place. But to all the Obama fans, is there any other explanation than this is a broken campaign promise? For other bills that he's broken this promise on they've claimed technical issues posting bills, but the bill hasn't even been on his desk 5 days much less posted. Why worry about another little lie? Why would anyone want to know what is in the bill? Our lawmakers know what's best for us. They are much more capable of running our lives than we are. Just go with it.The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #14 March 24, 2010 Quote Quote did you read it? if you did, did you understand it in all its legalspeak? I am sure the brains over at FAUX News have read it all to you right, so they can disseminate all the usual spewage??? THAT is the proper way to answer a direct question isn't it? simple yes or no will do . . if you can.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #15 March 24, 2010 Quote Quote Quote when there's a bill that ends up on my desk as president, you, the public, will have five days to look online and find out what's in it before I sign it. now... I'll be the first one to concede this was a campaign promise, and should never have been believed in the first place. But to all the Obama fans, is there any other explanation than this is a broken campaign promise? For other bills that he's broken this promise on they've claimed technical issues posting bills, but the bill hasn't even been on his desk 5 days much less posted. Why worry about another little lie? Why would anyone want to know what is in the bill? Our lawmakers know what's best for us. They are much more capable of running our lives than we are. Just go with it. If, after more than a year of discussion you still don't know what is in the bill, the fault is entirely yours. Or it could be that you were simply taken in by the lies and scare tactics of the GOP.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #16 March 24, 2010 Quote We are doing a govt takeover of student loans... That's in the reconciliation bill that hasn't passed yet. When it does it will be one of the best things the government has done in quite a while. By ending some corporate welfare to the banks it will not only save the fees it pays out to the banks but will be a source of revenue to the Treasury AND increase the amount of money available to college students. Republican lawmakers have vowed to try to crush it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #17 March 24, 2010 Quote Quote We are doing a govt takeover of student loans... That's in the reconciliation bill that hasn't passed yet. When it does it will be one of the best things the government has done in quite a while. By ending some corporate welfare to the banks it will not only save the fees it pays out to the banks but will be a source of revenue to the Treasury AND increase the amount of money available to college students. Republican lawmakers have vowed to try to crush it. Further driving up the already exorbitant cost of a college education. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #18 March 24, 2010 Quote Further driving up the already exorbitant cost of a college education. How? This should do just the opposite. All this legislation will do is to cut out the middle man. Now, instead of the government paying subsidies to banks to disburse the funds it will do it on its own. Banks were receiving origination subsidies from the feds AND charging students origination fees. It will be cheaper. The only people losing out are the corporate welfare recipients. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #19 March 24, 2010 Quote Quote Quote We are doing a govt takeover of student loans... That's in the reconciliation bill that hasn't passed yet. When it does it will be one of the best things the government has done in quite a while. By ending some corporate welfare to the banks it will not only save the fees it pays out to the banks but will be a source of revenue to the Treasury AND increase the amount of money available to college students. Republican lawmakers have vowed to try to crush it. Further driving up the already exorbitant cost of a college education. So don't go to college. No-one is forcing you.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #20 March 24, 2010 I agree that there were some banks out there ass raping people with interest. That is what reguation is for not taking over another private sector completely. Banks work by charging fees and interest on money you borrow. They use this to pay for their buildings in your town, to pay the salary for your mom wife son cousin ect. Now that money is gone and they can't pay this these things. People loose their jobs banks close communities loose taxes they used to get off those businesses, and everyone that lives there suffers. And before you say oh the evil banks pay these CEOs millions and kajillions of dollars in bail out money. I agree there should have been checks and balances and action by YOUR president Obama! Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #21 March 24, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote We are doing a govt takeover of student loans... That's in the reconciliation bill that hasn't passed yet. When it does it will be one of the best things the government has done in quite a while. By ending some corporate welfare to the banks it will not only save the fees it pays out to the banks but will be a source of revenue to the Treasury AND increase the amount of money available to college students. Republican lawmakers have vowed to try to crush it. Further driving up the already exorbitant cost of a college education. So don't go to college. No-one is forcing you. Well, should I decide to, it's nice to know that government has made it so expensive that I'll have little choice but to get a government loan in order to pay for it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #22 March 24, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote We are doing a govt takeover of student loans... That's in the reconciliation bill that hasn't passed yet. When it does it will be one of the best things the government has done in quite a while. By ending some corporate welfare to the banks it will not only save the fees it pays out to the banks but will be a source of revenue to the Treasury AND increase the amount of money available to college students. Republican lawmakers have vowed to try to crush it. Further driving up the already exorbitant cost of a college education. So don't go to college. No-one is forcing you. Well, should I decide to, it's nice to know that government has made it so expensive that I'll have little choice but to get a government loan in order to pay for it. It has? Our tuition and room & board rates are not decided by the government.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #23 March 24, 2010 Quote I agree that there were some banks out there ass raping people with interest. That is what reguation is for not taking over another private sector completely. That's not what this legislation does. Banks can still make loans. Quote Banks work by charging fees and interest on money you borrow. They use this to pay for their buildings in your town, to pay the salary for your mom wife son cousin ect. Now that money is gone and they can't pay this these things. People loose their jobs banks close communities loose taxes they used to get off those businesses, and everyone that lives there suffers. So these banks can't survive in the free market without a government hand out? The above is an argument for taxpayer funded welfare. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #24 March 24, 2010 Quote I agree that there were some banks out there ass raping people with interest. That is what reguation is for not taking over another private sector completely. Banks work by charging fees and interest on money you borrow. They use this to pay for their buildings in your town, to pay the salary for your mom wife son cousin ect. Now that money is gone and they can't pay this these things. People loose their jobs banks close communities loose taxes they used to get off those businesses, and everyone that lives there suffers. And before you say oh the evil banks pay these CEOs millions and kajillions of dollars in bail out money. I agree there should have been checks and balances and action by YOUR president Obama! You dont have a very strong grip on recent history do you I guess its impossible to see all the RED FUCKING INK from the last repubiclown president and the previous 2 Republican presidents thru those red state blinders you have.What was the national debt when President Carter left office??? Who did the WAll Street Bailout??? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Economic_Stabilization_Act_of_2008 Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 (Division A of Pub.L. 110-343, enacted October 3, 2008), commonly referred to as a bailout of the U.S. financial system That my dear boy was the last gasp of 30 years of failed VOODOODOO Economics Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #25 March 24, 2010 You dont think that 9/11, a huge ass war, katrina ect. had no factor in the economy? Just because it all happened when he was president does not mean he CAUSED IT. The only way a democrat knows to fix an ecomomy is to tax the SHIT out of everyone. Sure you can cut off a bleeding arm to fix it, but why not try to put a bandage on it first..... I can type in red too Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
