How many people just got put out of work and just don't know it yet?

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I will have to shut my company down shortly because of this bill. I'll simply go on welfare and all you poor fuckers that wanted this can pay for my ass to sit home and do nothing. Have fun with that.

The construction industry will virtually shut down very soon because of this. prices to recoup fines and taxes will drive construction costs so high that very few will be able to afford to build new or even remodel.

Have fun supporting me -

Psssst , The idiots that were for this, Don't Own Shit...They are the leaches of Society,and think the world owes them!

They will be years waking up...then try to figure out how they were so blind!

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figuring i'd chime in here...being on govt health care already (military) i'd let you know my experience so far....have been waiting on a knee surgery since 2007, which resulted in further tearing of miniscus, a torn petella, and barely able to walk. They are great for the minor things, but when it's a bit more serious, it just seems to take longer and longer. I'm not too certain that anyone really likes the govt health insurance that we get...although i guess it's "free" so who are we to complain? I guess i just took it for granted that many military members took the private insurance of thier spouses because the govt system that we had was pretty fucked. Now, a lot of people will be on the govt system that IMO wasn't that great to start with. I know that my insurance is not exactly like what the plan offered, but seriously, what has the govt run that people seriously liked? so go ahead dems, label me an uninformed republican and prais Obama

--Edit to add...do you buy car insurance for an oil change? Nor do you buy health insurance for regular check ups. Yea they are more expensive, but you pay higher rates for more serious injuries. I have yet to know a hospital that wont treat a patient for something serious, whether they have the $ to afford it or not...

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>I have yet to know a hospital that wont treat a patient for something
>serious, whether they have the $ to afford it or not...

Right, which is the JohnRich healthcare plan that many conservatives think is a valid option. Go to a hospital and just don't pay. As a result, hospitals and doctors are going bankrupt, and insurance companies pass along all that cost (billions) to us. That's something that has to be fixed, not encouraged.

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Yep, strong negative reaction from the business community - just look at the S&P, DOW and NASDAQ.

Oh, wait, they're all UP!

The Markets work much like the religion of Global Warming...there is a cooling tread coming, I'm sure of it.

You and Stanley ought to get together and have a nice conversation about this, he has been delluded on this issue since last October or so. He was calling for the sky to fall since then and has been on suicide watch twice as his margins came due on his shorts.

GDP, Unemp, and teh market are doing EXTREMELY WELL and have been since your turd is gone and my awesome pres is in.

As an aside, I did extremely well during the Clinton years, exceptionally horribly during the Bush years and things are really spinning around a year into Obama's time. This really makes my entire attitude positive; these kinds of things are contagious and I see a lot of people feeling the same way. If attitudes stay + I see a long, sustain growth period and a minimizing of the ugly Republicna Party, not the end, but a real cooling off period as far as R's being elected.

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exceptionally horribly during the Bush years

Really? I boomed during the Bush years so the opportunity was there-if you missed the boat because you made the wrong choices.....Dude-Sorry 'bout your damn luck,

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

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If you assume that healthcare is something your employees were already getting, with the money you gave them, then all you're doing is moving the dollars around. Cut their pay by $500/month and provide them $500/month in healthcare coverage instead.

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Sure - I'll do that as soon as I want no employees. Why don't you take a 500 dollar deduction and give it to them yourself.

Bottom line is that I will have to increase my costs and my prices to the owners and by that, they will no longer be able to afford my services.

That will be industry wide and construction which is my livelyhood will decrease and I will not have the opportunity to create a living as I have done so far.

That said - only the larger companies will be able to absorb the damage being wroght by this administration.

So ion short, I will not be able to work . . . support me. As you will be doing to millions of people that are out of employment because of this.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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That will be industry wide and construction which is my livelyhood will decrease and I will not have the opportunity to create a living as I have done so far.

Too bad you did not feel so strongly about the fucker you voted for who so totally butt fucked your business the last couple years with his wonderful policies

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Too bad you did not feel so strongly about the fucker you voted for who so totally butt fucked your business the last couple years with his wonderful policies

I don't think he lives in Barney's district. The guy that should have been paying more attention to Freddie and less to fannys

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Too bad you did not feel so strongly about the fucker you voted for who so totally butt fucked your business the last couple years with his wonderful policies

I don't think he lives in Barney's district. The guy that should have been paying more attention to Freddie and less to fannys

We both know he would never have voted for Barney... since as a Texican... he supported those who were diametrically opposed.. and keep their butt fucking to their staffers or pages offices and keep their logs in the closet of their cabins.

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>I will have to shut my company down shortly because of this bill.

Good for you! That will show that fuckhead Obama; fire all your employees, go on welfare and spend the rest of your life in blissful victimhood. You'll be in good company.

>The construction industry will virtually shut down very soon because of this.

I hear that all the hospitals will close and that skydiving will be ended by this bill as well. (I didn't see it in the bill itself, but Glenn Beck just said that on the TV.) And of course everyone's grandmothers will be killed by the Obama death boards.

You are over acting . . . what I speak of is becoming a reality . . . wait and see.

I appreciate that you will be supporting me in my depravity.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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Too bad you did not feel so strongly about the fucker you voted for who so totally butt fucked your business the last couple years with his wonderful policies

I don't think he lives in Barney's district. The guy that should have been paying more attention to Freddie and less to fannys

We both know he would never have voted for Barney... since as a Texican... he supported those who were diametrically opposed.. and keep their butt fucking to their staffers or pages offices and keep their logs in the closet of their cabins.

Wow - what a nonsensical response to a serious issue. However, i have learned to expect nothing more from you.

But still as grave as this issue is - sadly i am actually surprised at you lack this time.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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Too bad you did not feel so strongly about the fucker you voted for who so totally butt fucked your business the last couple years with his wonderful policies

I don't think he lives in Barney's district. The guy that should have been paying more attention to Freddie and less to fannys

We both know he would never have voted for Barney... since as a Texican... he supported those who were diametrically opposed.. and keep their butt fucking to their staffers or pages offices and keep their logs in the closet of their cabins.

Wow - what a nonsensical response to a serious issue. However, i have learned to expect nothing more from you.

But still as grave as this issue is - sadly i am actually surprised at you lack this time.

Hey I have come to see you got nothin but

THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING.. ITS THE END OF THE WORLD ITS THE END OF THE WORLD

OH WOE IS ME..

Jesus Christ Clint.. get the fuck over it already ......we get it.... NOV 2008 was the end of your world....boo fucking hoo

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Too bad you did not feel so strongly about the fucker you voted for who so totally butt fucked your business the last couple years with his wonderful policies

I don't think he lives in Barney's district. The guy that should have been paying more attention to Freddie and less to fannys

We both know he would never have voted for Barney... since as a Texican... he supported those who were diametrically opposed.. and keep their butt fucking to their staffers or pages offices and keep their logs in the closet of their cabins.

Wow - what a nonsensical response to a serious issue. However, i have learned to expect nothing more from you.

But still as grave as this issue is - sadly i am actually surprised at you lack this time.

Hey I have come to see you got nothin but

THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING.. ITS THE END OF THE WORLD ITS THE END OF THE WORLD

OH WOE IS ME..

Jesus Christ Clint.. get the fuck over it already ......we get it.... NOV 2008 was the end of your world....boo fucking hoo

So you are OK with putting me out of business?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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Too bad you did not feel so strongly about the fucker you voted for who so totally butt fucked your business the last couple years with his wonderful policies

I don't think he lives in Barney's district. The guy that should have been paying more attention to Freddie and less to fannys

We both know he would never have voted for Barney... since as a Texican... he supported those who were diametrically opposed.. and keep their butt fucking to their staffers or pages offices and keep their logs in the closet of their cabins.

Wow - what a nonsensical response to a serious issue. However, i have learned to expect nothing more from you.

But still as grave as this issue is - sadly i am actually surprised at you lack this time.

Hey I have come to see you got nothin but

THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING.. ITS THE END OF THE WORLD ITS THE END OF THE WORLD

OH WOE IS ME..

Jesus Christ Clint.. get the fuck over it already ......we get it.... NOV 2008 was the end of your world....boo fucking hoo

So you are OK with putting me out of business?

Compete or close your doors. I thought that is the rallying cry you guys were mouthing off about when Obama bailed out some companies.. YET not a peep out of you fuckers when BUSH was bailing out their buddies on Wall Street and the banks.... uh huh...

Last I checked.. expenses of doing business have nice write offs like so many of those construction guys who buy all kinds of goodies.... but write them off... OMG I NEED A NEW BIG ASS TEXAS TRUCK for my business..... uh huh. Nice when you can get the govment to buy all those things for yall in those small bidnezz.

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Too bad you did not feel so strongly about the fucker you voted for who so totally butt fucked your business the last couple years with his wonderful policies

I don't think he lives in Barney's district. The guy that should have been paying more attention to Freddie and less to fannys

We both know he would never have voted for Barney... since as a Texican... he supported those who were diametrically opposed.. and keep their butt fucking to their staffers or pages offices and keep their logs in the closet of their cabins.

Wow - what a nonsensical response to a serious issue. However, i have learned to expect nothing more from you.

But still as grave as this issue is - sadly i am actually surprised at you lack this time.

Hey I have come to see you got nothin but

THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING.. ITS THE END OF THE WORLD ITS THE END OF THE WORLD

OH WOE IS ME..

Jesus Christ Clint.. get the fuck over it already ......we get it.... NOV 2008 was the end of your world....boo fucking hoo

So you are OK with putting me out of business?

Compete or close your doors. I thought that is the rallying cry you guys were mouthing off about when Obama bailed out some companies.. YET not a peep out of you fuckers when BUSH was bailing out their buddies on Wall Street and the banks.... uh huh...

Last I checked.. expenses of doing business have nice write offs like so many of those construction guys who buy all kinds of goodies.... but write them off... OMG I NEED A NEW BIG ASS TEXAS TRUCK for my business..... uh huh. Nice when you can get the govment to buy all those things for yall in those small bidnezz.

When you own a small business come back and talk - until then your musing and raamblings are mute.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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When you own a small business come back and talk - until then your musing and raamblings are mute.

Small businesses are exempt, I thought. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

Obama's plan apparently DOES NOT require small businesses to provide health care:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/questions/small-business

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When you own a small business come back and talk - until then your musing and raamblings are mute.

Small businesses are exempt, I thought. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

ALL business is affected.

Simple economics - Employees get paid more or are covered by insurance via emplorers - prices escalate. Employers do not have capital to expand, nor do home owners now, construction buisness goes under . . . pretty simple.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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Or some people don't have health insurance, so they go to the ER, and afterwards, don't pay. Hospitals & insurance companies pass on the cost, prices escalate for everyone...pretty simple.

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Or some people don't have health insurance, so they go to the ER, and afterwards, don't pay. Hospitals & insurance companies pass on the cost, prices escalate for everyone...pretty simple.

Why do you have the impression that that is more expensive to the HC industry than law suits?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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if people are doing so well in the obama year, and so bad during the bush year, why did my IRA grow 700+ bucks in the last 2 years of bush, and drop 350 in the 1 year of obama?? I'm not a genius, but i'd say i was doing better under bush...although, investments tend to do better through time....guess i gotta stick it out tilll the great O is done.

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Too bad you did not feel so strongly about the fucker you voted for who so totally butt fucked your business the last couple years with his wonderful policies

I don't think he lives in Barney's district. The guy that should have been paying more attention to Freddie and less to fannys

We both know he would never have voted for Barney... since as a Texican... he supported those who were diametrically opposed.. and keep their butt fucking to their staffers or pages offices and keep their logs in the closet of their cabins.

Wow - what a nonsensical response to a serious issue. However, i have learned to expect nothing more from you.

But still as grave as this issue is - sadly i am actually surprised at you lack this time.

Hey I have come to see you got nothin but

THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING.. ITS THE END OF THE WORLD ITS THE END OF THE WORLD

OH WOE IS ME..

Jesus Christ Clint.. get the fuck over it already ......we get it.... NOV 2008 was the end of your world....boo fucking hoo

So you are OK with putting me out of business?

Compete or close your doors. I thought that is the rallying cry you guys were mouthing off about when Obama bailed out some companies.. YET not a peep out of you fuckers when BUSH was bailing out their buddies on Wall Street and the banks.... uh huh...

Last I checked.. expenses of doing business have nice write offs like so many of those construction guys who buy all kinds of goodies.... but write them off... OMG I NEED A NEW BIG ASS TEXAS TRUCK for my business..... uh huh. Nice when you can get the govment to buy all those things for yall in those small bidnezz.

When you own a small business come back and talk - until then your musing and raamblings are mute.

I did for ten years... I got tired of trying to get paid by deadbeats so that I could pay my bills.

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>You are over acting . . .

I'm not the one who's claiming that the evil Obamacare monster will force me into poverty.

>what I speak of is becoming a reality . . . wait and see.

Yep. And Obama is really a terrorist who is going to make us into an Islamic dictatorship. How'd that one work out for you?

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When you own a small business come back and talk - until then your musing and raamblings are mute.

Small businesses are exempt, I thought. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

ALL business is affected.

Simple economics - Employees get paid more or are covered by insurance via emplorers - prices escalate. Employers do not have capital to expand, nor do home owners now, construction buisness goes under . . . pretty simple.

And then the sky falls . Explain how Western Europe manages and they also, as a fed law, give every worker 4 weeks to 9 weeks vacation per year. Nevermind, you will just gloss over that anyway - prove me wrong.

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if people are doing so well in the obama year, and so bad during the bush year, why did my IRA grow 700+ bucks in the last 2 years of bush, and drop 350 in the 1 year of obama?? I'm not a genius, but i'd say i was doing better under bush...although, investments tend to do better through time....guess i gotta stick it out tilll the great O is done.

It's not scientific or statistically significant to take 1 non-random sample and draw a conclusion to the whole system.

Furthermore, your IRA may have sold stock and bought bonds, which is likely; bonds soared as the market crashed.

Management/mismanagement of 1 IRA account means absolutley zip to the argument of economy. Do I need to post the GDP #'s, the NBER saying the Great Recession started in late 2007, the 3.4% unemployment rose from Feb 08 to Feb 09 per the BLS, or the market crash from a high of 14K+ to a low of 6500 in about 2 years as it freefell before and during Obama's inauguration? Do I? Are you going to argue that GWB's economy was stellar or even acceptable? Please make the argument or ask me to make the counter-argument. I doubt you'll do either, you'll just go on telling us about your IRA and acct as tho the economy spins around it.

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>You are over acting . . .

I'm not the one who's claiming that the evil Obamacare monster will force me into poverty.

>what I speak of is becoming a reality . . . wait and see.

Yep. And Obama is really a terrorist who is going to make us into an Islamic dictatorship. How'd that one work out for you?

Gayle says he is, so I agree. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8XmerZEyHE