McCain throws tantrum; GOP will hold breath till they turn blue

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Very mature, Sen. McCain. And you were running for what? How old are you?
So much for the man who would be king (and the party that would be his king-maker). What leadership qualities!
Petulant little children.


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McCain: Don't expect GOP cooperation on legislation for the rest of this year

Democrats shouldn't expect much cooperation from Republicans the rest of this year, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) warned Monday.

McCain and another Republican senator decried the effect health reform legislation has had on the Senate, a day after the House passed the upper chamber's bill.

GOP senators emerged Monday to caution that the health debate had taken a toll on the institution, warning of little work between parties the rest of this year.

"There will be no cooperation for the rest of the year," McCain said during an interview Monday on an Arizona radio affiliate. "They have poisoned the well in what they've done and how they've done it."

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Very mature, Sen. McCain. And you were running for what? How old are you?
So much for the man who would be king (and the party that would be his king-maker). What leadership qualities!
Petulant little children.


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/88285-mccain-dont-expect-gop-cooperation-the-rest-of-this-year

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McCain: Don't expect GOP cooperation on legislation for the rest of this year

Democrats shouldn't expect much cooperation from Republicans the rest of this year, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) warned Monday.

McCain and another Republican senator decried the effect health reform legislation has had on the Senate, a day after the House passed the upper chamber's bill.

GOP senators emerged Monday to caution that the health debate had taken a toll on the institution, warning of little work between parties the rest of this year.

"There will be no cooperation for the rest of the year," McCain said during an interview Monday on an Arizona radio affiliate. "They have poisoned the well in what they've done and how they've done it."

Best to just start cramming things down their collective fucking throats as they did while they had control of the Senate and House under King George II

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I've thought for a long time, John McCain should just find a front porch, rocking chair, an afghan and a cat!


Chuck

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Petulant little children.

I know you are but what am i?

Please don't dent the planet.

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McCain is one of the reasons I voted libertarian in the last election.

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Petulant little children.

I know you are but what am i?

I'm not touching you.
I'm not touching you.
I'm not touching you.

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Best to just start cramming things down their collective fucking throats as they did while they had control of the Senate and House under King George II

and King George the 2nd really is beginning to look like a Conservative spender compared to Obama who is dwarfing all other previous presidents with his massive ever growing government bureaucracy. When your largest job growth demographics are in government, you know you are on the road to <<< CENSORED BY THE FRIENDS OF OBAMA >>>.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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when you become a citizen then you can have a say in the matters, till then hush up.............

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I understand!


Chuck

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We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement, and they led us to abject and irreversible defeat.

There were leaders who knew better, who would have liked to deal. But they were trapped. Conservative talkers on Fox and talk radio had whipped the Republican voting base into such a frenzy that deal-making was rendered impossible. How do you negotiate with somebody who wants to murder your grandmother? Or - more exactly - with somebody whom your voters have been persuaded to believe wants to murder their grandmother?

I've been on a soapbox for months now about the harm that our overheated talk is doing to us. Yes it mobilizes supporters - but by mobilizing them with hysterical accusations and pseudo-information, overheated talk has made it impossible for representatives to represent and elected leaders to lead. The real leaders are on TV and radio, and they have very different imperatives from people in government. Talk radio thrives on confrontation and recrimination. When Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted President Obama to fail, he was intelligently explaining his own interests. What he omitted to say - but what is equally true - is that he also wants Republicans to fail. If Republicans succeed - if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office - Rush's listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds.

So today's defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers on television and radio. For them, it's mission accomplished. For the cause they purport to represent, it's Waterloo all right: ours.

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Best to just start cramming things down their collective fucking throats as they did while they had control of the Senate and House under King George II

and King George the 2nd really is beginning to look like a Conservative spender compared to Obama who is dwarfing all other previous presidents with his massive ever growing government bureaucracy. When your largest job growth demographics are in government, you know you are on the road to >>.

I see, the 2nd worst economy of US history doesn't require spending to bailout upon. Judge Obama afterward, not now, as we would expect of any admin/pres.

Economic recovery is virtually unprecedented, if not unprecedented. I realize 2 weeks after turd George left his throne it was "Obama's economy."

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Very mature, Sen. McCain. And you were running for what? How old are you?
So much for the man who would be king (and the party that would be his king-maker). What leadership qualities!
Petulant little children.


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/88285-mccain-dont-expect-gop-cooperation-the-rest-of-this-year

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McCain: Don't expect GOP cooperation on legislation for the rest of this year

Democrats shouldn't expect much cooperation from Republicans the rest of this year, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) warned Monday.

McCain and another Republican senator decried the effect health reform legislation has had on the Senate, a day after the House passed the upper chamber's bill.

GOP senators emerged Monday to caution that the health debate had taken a toll on the institution, warning of little work between parties the rest of this year.

"There will be no cooperation for the rest of the year," McCain said during an interview Monday on an Arizona radio affiliate. "They have poisoned the well in what they've done and how they've done it."

Best to just start cramming things down their collective fucking throats as they did while they had control of the Senate and House under King George II

Yea, they used reconcilliation to get the tax cuts thru, yet that was ok

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Petulant little children.

I know you are but what am i?

I'm not touching you.
I'm not touching you.
I'm not touching you.

"Nebbish"

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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I've thought for a long time, John McCain should just find a front porch, rocking chair, an afghan and a cat!


Chuck

Focus here:

http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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I've thought for a long time, John McCain should just find a front porch, rocking chair, an afghan and a cat!


Chuck

Focus here:

http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/

From that website: " Thomas Jefferson: “Whensoever the General [i.e., federal] Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force”

Historically, the only really, really serious time the States pressed that argument in earnest was in the 19th Century; and that dynamic ultimately culminated in the Civil War. The Federal government controls the military, and did not tolerate that level of rebellion. There were some grumblings among the Southern states about invoking this during the civil rights era of the 1960s, but those were mainly grumblings. A few times, JFK and/or LBJ was forced to nationalize one or another state's national guard to force them to uphold federal law over state objection, and that was it. The federal courts - which are pre-eminent over state courts - virtually always rule in favor of the federal government on this type of issue.

I fully understand the 10th Amendment argument. It has some traction, but only intellectually. As a practical matter, it will virtually always fail, because the federal courts will always have the last word. Those who think that it will be a viable tool in the toolbox against federal health care legislation are wasting their time, energy and resources.

Or even better yet: the US can join every other Western-style industrialized nation on Planet Earth and do the right thing.

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Or even better yet: the US can join every other Western-style industrialized nation on Planet Earth and do the right thing.

But that wouldn't be very Christian of us...

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I fully understand the 10th Amendment argument. It has some traction, but only intellectually. As a practical matter, it will virtually always fail, because the federal courts will always have the last word. Those who think that it will be a viable tool in the toolbox against federal health care legislation are wasting their time, energy and resources.

so you acknowledge that the 10th amendment argument has intellectual traction, then dismiss it because the feds control the military.

So the states should see that their 10th amendment rights are being trampled by the federal govt because they hold a big stick. But don't bother wasting your time against a government that isn't abiding by it's constitution because their courts will rule in their favor.

Is that what you're saying?

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I fully understand the 10th Amendment argument. It has some traction, but only intellectually. As a practical matter, it will virtually always fail, because the federal courts will always have the last word. Those who think that it will be a viable tool in the toolbox against federal health care legislation are wasting their time, energy and resources.

so you acknowledge that the 10th amendment argument has intellectual traction, then dismiss it because the feds control the military.

So the states should see that their 10th amendment rights are being trampled by the federal govt because they hold a big stick. But don't bother wasting your time against a government that isn't abiding by it's constitution because their courts will rule in their favor.

Is that what you're saying?

No.
What I'm saying is what I said. I'm not playing the silly game of rebutting your twisting spin of it.

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I've thought for a long time, John McCain should just find a front porch, rocking chair, an afghan and a cat!


Chuck

Focus here:

http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/

I 'focused'. To me, it's just more rhetoric from the opposition. Then there is the other side and their point of view and blah, blah, blah... The House has their version of the bill and the Senate has the changes they want to make to the bill and so-on and so-on. All that 'we the people' know is what the politicians want us to know about it. Has anyone in the general population actually seen this bill? All we know about the bill are the bits and pieces of information we get from the media. No matter which side wins, we the people are going to take it in the shorts. Why isn't there a nation-wide outcry from the people? Simple... we have no idea what this bill is about... only what the 'slick' politicians tell us. As for McCain, he's the biggest mouth in the scare tactics.


Chuck

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I fully understand the 10th Amendment argument. It has some traction, but only intellectually. As a practical matter, it will virtually always fail, because the federal courts will always have the last word. Those who think that it will be a viable tool in the toolbox against federal health care legislation are wasting their time, energy and resources.

so you acknowledge that the 10th amendment argument has intellectual traction, then dismiss it because the feds control the military.

So the states should see that their 10th amendment rights are being trampled by the federal govt because they hold a big stick. But don't bother wasting your time against a government that isn't abiding by it's constitution because their courts will rule in their favor.

Is that what you're saying?

No.
What I'm saying is what I said. I'm not playing the silly game of rebutting your twisting spin of it.

I'm reading what you wrote. I keep seeing that there is valid intellectual traction, but it doesn't matter because the federal courts will always rule with the federal government. That's what I'm seeing you wrote.

I'm glad nobody listened to opinion like this 235 years ago.

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***McCain: Don't expect GOP cooperation on legislation for the rest of this year

I don't think that anyone was expecting any GOP cooperation.
So, big whoop.

Isn't he being challenged for his Senate seat this year? Methinks he's appealing to those who think that statesmanship is a sign of weakness.

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This whole healthcare bill thing has me puzzled. Perhaps, you or someone else here can clear the murky waters of it all. First of all, everyone is all in an up-roar over this bill. The politicians on both sides are spreading their side of the story and I doubt, there is one single citizen who has been able to read the entire bill. Is this to say, we just accept some politicians 'spin' on it? Seems to me, this whole thing is about which side can get their way and we can just accept it. We're all arguing about it and we don't have a clue as to what is 'really' in it. My head's fixin' to explode! Where is the truth?


Chuck

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I fully understand the 10th Amendment argument. It has some traction, but only intellectually. As a practical matter, it will virtually always fail, because the federal courts will always have the last word. Those who think that it will be a viable tool in the toolbox against federal health care legislation are wasting their time, energy and resources.

so you acknowledge that the 10th amendment argument has intellectual traction, then dismiss it because the feds control the military.

So the states should see that their 10th amendment rights are being trampled by the federal govt because they hold a big stick. But don't bother wasting your time against a government that isn't abiding by it's constitution because their courts will rule in their favor.

Is that what you're saying?

No.
What I'm saying is what I said. I'm not playing the silly game of rebutting your twisting spin of it.

I'm reading what you wrote. I keep seeing that there is valid intellectual traction, but it doesn't matter because the federal courts will always rule with the federal government. That's what I'm seeing you wrote.

I'm glad nobody listened to opinion like this 235 years ago.

Well, at least now you're trying to correctly characterize what I wrote.
In any event, while I think the 10th Amendment argument has "traction", what I meant by that is that it's not a completely spurious argument; it has some degree of validity. But the counter-argument based on the Commerce Clause also has some validity; and the trick is to balance, reconcile and harmonize the competing valid arguments as best as possible.

I wasn't being an advocate, I was being a messenger: that based upon the Federal Courts' and SCOTUS's track record over the past 150 years, Commerce Clause arguments tend to win out over 10th Amendment arguments frequently enough that it can be reasonably predicted (although it's only a prediction) that the federal courts will likely continue to rule the same way regarding federal HC legislation. But who knows? - my crystal ball is currently at the mfgr. for its 10-year service & battery replacement.

Anyhow, don't shoot the messenger.

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This whole healthcare bill thing has me puzzled. Perhaps, you or someone else here can clear the murky waters of it all. First of all, everyone is all in an up-roar over this bill. The politicians on both sides are spreading their side of the story and I doubt, there is one single citizen who has been able to read the entire bill. Is this to say, we just accept some politicians 'spin' on it? Seems to me, this whole thing is about which side can get their way and we can just accept it. We're all arguing about it and we don't have a clue as to what is 'really' in it. My head's fixin' to explode! Where is the truth?

I'm still very much still in the "educating-myself" phase, too. Quite a morass to wade through.

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Well, at least now you're trying to correctly characterize what I wrote.
In any event, while I think the 10th Amendment argument has "traction", what I meant by that is that it's not a completely spurious argument; it has some degree of validity. But the counter-argument based on the Commerce Clause also has some validity; and the trick is to balance, reconcile and harmonize the competing valid arguments as best as possible.

I wasn't being an advocate, I was being a messenger: that based upon the Federal Courts' and SCOTUS's track record over the past 150 years, Commerce Clause arguments tend to win out over 10th Amendment arguments frequently enough that it can be reasonably predicted (although it's only a prediction) that the federal courts will likely continue to rule the same way regarding federal HC legislation. But who knows? - my crystal ball is currently at the mfgr. for its 10-year service & battery replacement.

Anyhow, don't shoot the messenger.

ok... makes more sense now.

Totally wasn't trying to shoot the messenger, just thought you were dismissing the 10th out of hand because the fed.gov held the big stick of the military and had the fed courts in their pocket. I see where you're coming from now.

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