I'm against universal healthcare because...

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Where were all these rock throwing gun toting "patriots" when Bush was making a mockery of liberty and the Constitution?
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They are one in the same; the tea baggers never bitched about the 5 trillion in rubber money, yet Obama bails out the economy and wants to provide HC to all and it's the end of the world.

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Yeah.. great country we got there. Just think what kind of country we could have if we were spending the money we are using to pay the interest on all that debt for actually making this a better country instead of making a few people very very wealthy.

Do you have health care?

I thought I did, provided by my employers, till I tried to use it a couple times. I am a few thousand out of pocket now for stuff like an MRI .. not covered even after having the Dr CALL The fuking insurance company to make sure it WAS covered.. oh my they lied..

That was after an earlier episode of having tests done ( not covered )so the doctors could tell how much of my lungs were affected by the pneumonia that was killing me

Two separate companies.. same kind of WONDERFUL return on investment.

Personally I wish ALL you fuckers could get the kind of care I have gotten in the last 3 years. Once you see what the state of our health care is in REALITY... not your fantasy that you will be covered, really is you MIGHT change your mind.

And you think that the government can do better?

THAT is the sigle most ludicrous idea I have considered in a LONG while - cuz the gubmen't gunna make it all bettah!

SIgh - welcome to our side.

We have 2 main choices:

- Conservatism = sameness, regression, tradition = let it alone, it will fix itself.

- Liberalism = change, progression = fix it by trying different things.

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Where were all these rock throwing gun toting "patriots" when Bush was making a mockery of liberty and the Constitution? This isn't about health care. It's about a bunch of white people who don't like black people . . .

NickD

I think this has far more to do with socioeconomics than race.

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i believe the amount of posts does nothing more than show the veracity of the people here and our passion for what we believe.

Being a fool and yelling, "I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore" is an example of that - go for it. Be veracious; fuck it, yell, sccream, shoot; I don't give a fuck, but just watch as the Obamster runs his game up yer asses.

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Yes, I was a *tad* condescending to your posts.. and will continue to be until you can articulate in a cogent manner why you are right and I am wrong. STOP with the typical, tired rhetoric that has permeated these discussions for years. Other than this law is "the right thing" to do, why the hell should we pay for it????

This is my turning point, I'm happy as fuck, I just don't care, I'm glad you're pissed; life is great - have a crappy day

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Where were all these rock throwing gun toting "patriots" when Bush was making a mockery of liberty and the Constitution? This isn't about health care. It's about a bunch of white people who don't like black people . . .

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I think this has far more to do with socioeconomics than race.

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Where were all these rock throwing gun toting "patriots" when Bush was making a mockery of liberty and the Constitution? This isn't about health care. It's about a bunch of white people who don't like black people . . .

NickD

Your also forgetting about the jews, illegal mexicans, and various legal immigrants.

Joking aside, I noticed that it seems alot are against it for that reason. Some are just flat out racist, and some may just see a social trend in attitudes and antics for a particular group of people.

I only hope that that thinking is not the majority of the opposers. I can only stick by my beliefs and not some party. I claim republican, but share views from both. Thats why I never brought up anything trashing another party or justifying one party over the other. Stick with your own beliefs and not the popular belief of the side of your chosing.

Side note: We don't throw rocks, we are toting guns remember. You never know when we might need to defend ourselves via semi-auto/automatic weapons at a political event.

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For example, I am a California resident, visit my doctor and hospital in California, and my California employer purchases insurance for me from a company based in California. ...

Your health insurance provider, though, is no doubt part of a nationwide network and cannot unilaterally change the basic parameters of its service without approval from entities in other states.

Much of this legislation strikes me as a pretty clear cut case of trying to regulate an industry which has grown nationwide--which seems a pretty clear cut case of interstate commerce legitimately subject to federal jurisdiction. I think the parts of this legislation that deal with regulating the health insurance industry will pass muster in the courts.

Other aspects of the legislation--for example REQUIRING Americans to purchase health insurance--do seem to go beyond the traditional constitutional role of the federal government and will, I think, be struck down by the courts.

To Obama/Congress' credit I think they knew there were controversial aspects to this legislation and set the main implementation date--2014--far enough in the future to give both the electorate and the courts a chance to weigh in before all of this gets too deeply entrenched in the federal bureaucracy. I think that was a gutsy call for which they deserve credit.

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...fix it by trying different things...

Do it with your own money.

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
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...fix it by trying different things...

Do it with your own money.

Deal with it, and oh, have a crappy day .

BTW, pay for the war with your won money. Pay for the 5T your hero ran up the debt with your own money. Pay for all the exclusive things with your own money. Go live in the hills if ya don't like the way society comes together and to a small degree, co-ops.

Oh, and have a crappy day

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PROVIDE for the common defense, PROMOTE the general welfare - not vice versa.

Mike
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Of course it gain 150 points since the passage of the HC Bill, so I guess you're perfect: PERFECTLY WRONG .

How much you want to bet most if not all of it was due to insurance company gains - you know, those people you were ranting about charging so much?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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>Let's promote the general welfare-fuck all on PROVIDING the general welfare.

Might want to find a country that doesn't have that statement in its constitution, then.

May want to find a copy and re-read the preamble, Bill.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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PROVIDE for the common defense, PROMOTE the general welfare - not vice versa.

I bet the founding fathers did not think that PROVIDING for the common defense... would have the amount of mission creep we have seen in the last century either... things like you aresupporting while our troops are in Kosovo.

If we are going to play COP to the whole fucking world I want to make sure we are protecting and serving our OWN people here at home.

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PROVIDE for the common defense, PROMOTE the general welfare - not vice versa.

I bet the founding fathers did not think that PROVIDING for the common defense... would have the amount of mission creep we have seen in the last century either... things like you aresupporting while our troops are in Kosovo.

If we are going to play COP to the whole fucking world I want to make sure we are protecting and serving our OWN people here at home.

Yeah, the war sucks, we get it. I'm republican, but am not fully for the war. Stop using that as an excuse for our lack of progression. Like the war has set us back another 30 years of technology and social advancements. When is Obama bringing the troops home as promised, and contributing to Bushes mistake and pouring money into it? I can here it now: Well, its eight years of, boo hoo, Bush that makes it so hard. Obama does not even express concern for it now, and is too worried about fastracking legislation through congress.

Now wipe those tears, remember the savior is now in office, and the scary monster is gone.

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Oh and the majority of Americans are against this bill....

Right, the majority of Americans wanted a public option included.

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I am sorry for whatever you went through, but I never said I had the Cadillac health insurance plan. Only I realize it is in fact just insurance. They are out to make a buck. The more you make them spend, the more they will make you spend.

That's a good argument for single payer.

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Of course it gain 150 points since the passage of the HC Bill, so I guess you're perfect: PERFECTLY WRONG .

How much you want to bet most if not all of it was due to insurance company gains - you know, those people you were ranting about charging so much?

Hardly the reaction that one would expect after a "government takeover".

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Of course it gain 150 points since the passage of the HC Bill, so I guess you're perfect: PERFECTLY WRONG .

How much you want to bet most if not all of it was due to insurance company gains - you know, those people you were ranting about charging so much?

I saw Kallend proved you wrong and posted that. I was talking Blue Chies, are HMO's blue chip? Not only that but S&P and NASDAQ did well too, so there goes yet another of your flawed theories.

Face it, it's a bad day for guys like you and Stanley, the market is and has done well since March-April as Obama's stimulus ended the GWB market freefall at 6500, now it's near twice that at 10,888. Oh well, you can still hope for destruction of the US so you can blame it on Obama.

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OMG ITS A SIGN OF ARMEGEDDON FOR SURE.. IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT

Really? There are many that think this really is the beginning of the end by the way. Oh and the majority of Americans are against this bill....

There were also some people who thought the stock market would collapse last October was it? Of course it gain 150 points since the passage of the HC Bill, so I guess you're perfect: PERFECTLY WRONG .

BTW, do you recall who that person was who predicted the market fall? And second question; have you paid the marggins on your shorts yet?

There you go again being an........ wait I already typed it once and don't want te get banned again but you know what I said. I love how you make things up.... I never said it would collapse and I never gave a month or time it would.

Let's review.... everything you type is garbage... its rhetoric you repeat from far left sources, its writing comparable to a jr. highers, and its lies for the most part. You asssume so much and know so little. If you knew dick about the market....... I may actually continue this conversation.... run along now. I am also happy to report to you that 2010 is on its way to beating my best ROI yet which happened in 2009. Get a clue and stop trying to start some pissing match when I did not address you in any way nor do I care to because your opinions are a joke.

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Of course it gain 150 points since the passage of the HC Bill, so I guess you're perfect: PERFECTLY WRONG .

How much you want to bet most if not all of it was due to insurance company gains - you know, those people you were ranting about charging so much?

I'll take your bet.

How many health insurance companies are in the DOW, Mike?

Pick them from the list:

MMM 3M Co 82.35 +0.51 +0.62% 18.2 4.2M -0.39%
AA Alcoa Inc 14.50 +0.16 +1.12% NM 28.5M -10.05%
AXP American Express Co 41.24 +0.16 +0.39% 26.8 8.6M +1.78%
T AT&T Inc 26.55 +0.15 +0.57% 12.5 18.1M -5.28%
BAC Bank of America Corp 17.13 +0.17 +1.00% NM 131.2M +13.75%
BA Boeing Co 72.18 +0.27 +0.38% 38.6 5.0M +33.35%
CAT Caterpillar Inc 62.41 +2.46 +4.10% 43.6 14.3M +9.51%
CVX Chevron Corp 74.77 +0.31 +0.42% 14.3 8.0M -2.88%
CSCO Cisco Systems Inc 26.64 +0.36 +1.37% 25.6 48.8M +11.28%
KO Coca-Cola Co 55.30 +0.76 +1.39% 18.9 9.5M -2.98%
DD E I du Pont de Nemours and Co 38.31 +0.52 +1.38% 20.0 10.6M +13.78%
XOM Exxon Mobil Corp 66.95 -0.02 -0.03% 16.8 24.8M -1.82%
GE General Electric Co 18.33 +0.26 +1.44% 17.8 107.6M +21.15%
HPQ Hewlett-Packard Co 53.15 +0.20 +0.38% 16.1 9.7M +3.18%
HD Home Depot Inc 32.59 -0.08 -0.24% 21.0 11.5M +12.65%
NTC Intel Corp 22.67 +0.4325 +1.94% 29.4 64.7M +11.14%
IBM International Business Machine... 129.37 +1.39 +1.09% 12.9 6.0M -1.17%
JNJ Johnson & Johnson 65.36 +0.26 +0.40% 14.9 9.5M +1.47%
JPM JPMorgan Chase & Co 44.58 +0.84 +1.92% 19.9 33.7M +6.98%
KFT Kraft Foods Inc 30.78 +1.05 +3.53% 15.2 28.2M +13.25%
MCD McDonald's Corp 67.35 +0.34 +0.51% 16.4 8.1M +7.86%
MRK Merck & Co Inc 38.50 +0.20 +0.52% 6.8 12.3M +5.36%
MSFT Microsoft Corp 29.88 +0.28 +0.95% 16.5 42.0M -1.97%
PFE Pfizer Inc 17.54 +0.39 +2.27% 14.3 73.9M -3.57%
PG Procter & Gamble Co 64.53 +0.65 +1.02% 17.9 11.8M +6.43%
TRV Travelers Companies Inc 53.90 +0.51 +0.96% 8.5 3.2M +8.10%
UTX United Technologies Corp 73.09 +0.48 +0.66% 17.7 5.0M +5.30%
VZ Verizon Communications Inc 30.98 +0.33 +1.08% 24.0 14.4M -6.49%
WMT Wal-Mart Stores Inc 55.89 +0.27 +0.49% 15.0 9.4M +4.57%
DIS Walt Disney Co 34.01 +0.06 +0.18% 19.4 7.0M +5.46%

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Oh and the majority of Americans are against this bill....

Right, the majority of Americans wanted a public option included.

Every pole I have seen does not support your claim???

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Every pole I have seen does not support your claim???

Ok.... that one's just too easy...

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Every pole I have seen does not support your claim???

Ok.... that one's just too easy...

haha.... I see what you are getting at but I tend to read as opposed to watch news channels and the non biased polls show that the majority was not for the public option.

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Every pole I have seen does not support your claim???

Ok.... that one's just too easy...

haha.... I see what you are getting at but I tend to read as opposed to watch news channels and the non biased polls show that the majority was not for the public option.

Not sure what happened to my earlier reply.
I'm a bit busy this morning. Sorry for the brevity.
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Of course it gain 150 points since the passage of the HC Bill, so I guess you're perfect: PERFECTLY WRONG .

How much you want to bet most if not all of it was due to insurance company gains - you know, those people you were ranting about charging so much?

Hardly the reaction that one would expect after a "government takeover".

Except it makes perfect sense when you look at it - they will now have to bump their rates and fees to accommodate for the change. So the rise is temporary.

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