idrankwhat 0 #126 March 24, 2010 Quote Except it makes perfect sense when you look at it - they will now have to bump their rates and fees to accommodate for the change. So the rise is temporary. Except that they are also being guaranteed a new few million customers. So there should be a continual upward trend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #127 March 24, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Every pole I have seen does not support your claim??? Ok.... that one's just too easy... haha.... I see what you are getting at but I tend to read as opposed to watch news channels and the non biased polls show that the majority was not for the public option. Not sure what happened to my earlier reply. I'm a bit busy this morning. Sorry for the brevity. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3810977;search_string=public%20option;#3810977 Ok... but that is one state.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #128 March 24, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Every pole I have seen does not support your claim??? Ok.... that one's just too easy... haha.... I see what you are getting at but I tend to read as opposed to watch news channels and the non biased polls show that the majority was not for the public option. Not sure what happened to my earlier reply. I'm a bit busy this morning. Sorry for the brevity. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3810977;search_string=public%20option;#3810977 Ok... but that is one state. Actually it's not. Keep reading the thread. The ~60% support figure keeps coming up in poll after poll. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #129 March 24, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Every pole I have seen does not support your claim??? Ok.... that one's just too easy... haha.... I see what you are getting at but I tend to read as opposed to watch news channels and the non biased polls show that the majority was not for the public option. Not sure what happened to my earlier reply. I'm a bit busy this morning. Sorry for the brevity. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3810977;search_string=public%20option;#3810977 Ok... but that is one state. Actually it's not. Keep reading the thread. The ~60% support figure keeps coming up in poll after poll. I reread it... its just Iowa.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #130 March 24, 2010 Quote I reread it... its just Iowa. Next page in the thread, taken from the same poll: * In Nevada, only 34% support the Senate bill, while 56% support the public option. * In Illinois, only 37% support the Senate bill, while 68% support the public option. * In Washington State, only 38% support the Senate bill, while 65% support the public option. * In Missouri, only 33% support the Senate bill, while 57% support the public option. * In Virginia, only 36% support the Senate bill, while 61% support the public option. * In Iowa, only 35% support the Senate bill, while 62% support the public option. *In Minnesota, only 35% support the Senate bill, while 62% support the public option. * In Colorado, only 32% support the Senate bill, while 58% support the public option Another puts the figure at 77% support for public option. This one shows a 63% support by doctors. Another poll by reuters indicated 59% support for a public option. So it looks like about 60% support keeps rearing its head. People seem to want an "option", not a takeover. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #131 March 24, 2010 Quote Quote Quote PROVIDE for the common defense, PROMOTE the general welfare - not vice versa. I bet the founding fathers did not think that PROVIDING for the common defense... would have the amount of mission creep we have seen in the last century either... things like you aresupporting while our troops are in Kosovo. If we are going to play COP to the whole fucking world I want to make sure we are protecting and serving our OWN people here at home. Yeah, the war sucks, we get it. I'm republican, but am not fully for the war. Stop using that as an excuse for our lack of progression. Like the war has set us back another 30 years of technology and social advancements. When is Obama bringing the troops home as promised, and contributing to Bushes mistake and pouring money into it? I can here it now: Well, its eight years of, boo hoo, Bush that makes it so hard. Obama does not even express concern for it now, and is too worried about fastracking legislation through congress. Now wipe those tears, remember the savior is now in office, and the scary monster is gone. Have you checked the current status of your troops in Iraq?? What is their current mission??? What was the national debt under President Carter.... before the ADVENT of VOODOODOO economics???????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #132 March 24, 2010 I was looking for a next page tab but I could not find it... oops Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #133 March 24, 2010 QuoteQuote I reread it... its just Iowa. Next page in the thread, taken from the same poll: * In Nevada, only 34% support the Senate bill, while 56% support the public option. * In Illinois, only 37% support the Senate bill, while 68% support the public option. * In Washington State, only 38% support the Senate bill, while 65% support the public option. * In Missouri, only 33% support the Senate bill, while 57% support the public option. * In Virginia, only 36% support the Senate bill, while 61% support the public option. * In Iowa, only 35% support the Senate bill, while 62% support the public option. *In Minnesota, only 35% support the Senate bill, while 62% support the public option. * In Colorado, only 32% support the Senate bill, while 58% support the public option Another puts the figure at 77% support for public option. This one shows a 63% support by doctors. Another poll by reuters indicated 59% support for a public option. So it looks like about 60% support keeps rearing its head. People seem to want an "option", not a takeover. Still ... a small amount of states represented.... but if a public option could be given and that bill could be written well I may support that.... this bill however is garbage and americans stated that loud and clear. If only the govt. would have set out to reform health care instead of making this a bash and destroy insurance companies bill. P.s My fiancee is a nurse and her network of hospitals are very much agaisnt this bill bc they know what it is like to deal with govt. healthcare programs.....Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #134 March 24, 2010 Quote Still ... a small amount of states represented.... but if a public option could be given and that bill could be written well I may support that.... this bill however is garbage and americans stated that loud and clear. If only the govt. would have set out to reform health care instead of making this a bash and destroy insurance companies bill. P.s My fiancee is a nurse and her network of hospitals are very much agaisnt this bill bc they know what it is like to deal with govt. healthcare programs..... The problem with the bill is that it had to be approved by the HC lobbyists before it could even see the light of day. Obama met with the insurers and made significant concessions (no buying drugs from Canada, no bargaining for bulk pricing, no single payer debate) so that they would not crush this legislation right off the bat. The insurers didn't like being dragged through the mud but they certainly don't hate this bill and it is no threat to their livelihood. Sure, they'd rather have free rein (or reign) over the industry but they're quite happy with 30-50 million more guaranteed customers. As for the HC workers' opinions on the bill, one of the reasons given in the poll of Dr.s who supported the public option was that with the government program the paperwork was easier. Having different procedures for numerous companies makes things more complicated and therefore, more expensive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #135 March 24, 2010 Quote P.s My fiancee is a nurse and her network of hospitals are very much agaisnt this bill bc they know what it is like to deal with govt. healthcare programs..... PPS - The American Medical Association is in favor.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #136 March 24, 2010 QuoteQuote Still ... a small amount of states represented.... but if a public option could be given and that bill could be written well I may support that.... this bill however is garbage and americans stated that loud and clear. If only the govt. would have set out to reform health care instead of making this a bash and destroy insurance companies bill. P.s My fiancee is a nurse and her network of hospitals are very much agaisnt this bill bc they know what it is like to deal with govt. healthcare programs..... The problem with the bill is that it had to be approved by the HC lobbyists before it could even see the light of day. Obama met with the insurers and made significant concessions (no buying drugs from Canada, no bargaining for bulk pricing, no single payer debate) so that they would not crush this legislation right off the bat. The insurers didn't like being dragged through the mud but they certainly don't hate this bill and it is no threat to their livelihood. Sure, they'd rather have free rein (or reign) over the industry but they're quite happy with 30-50 million more guaranteed customers. As for the HC workers' opinions on the bill, one of the reasons given in the poll of Dr.s who supported the public option was that with the government program the paperwork was easier. Having different procedures for numerous companies makes things more complicated and therefore, more expensive. I hear the exact opposite... govt. paper work is lengthy and even more cumbersome. I dealt with govt. paper work and that is what I find as well. But if that is what it says then thats the opinion of Dr.'s. I don't doubt Dr's support the public option... that is a good idea but it has to be done right and most of the crap in this bill has not been done right... jmoLife is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #137 March 24, 2010 QuoteQuote P.s My fiancee is a nurse and her network of hospitals are very much agaisnt this bill bc they know what it is like to deal with govt. healthcare programs..... PPS - The American Medical Association is in favor. Of the bill or the public option? Bc I was talking about the bill not the public option.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #138 March 24, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote P.s My fiancee is a nurse and her network of hospitals are very much agaisnt this bill bc they know what it is like to deal with govt. healthcare programs..... PPS - The American Medical Association is in favor. Of the bill or the public option? Bc I was talking about the bill not the public option. AMA statement: www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/health-system-reform/ama-supports-reform-passage.shtml “The pending bill is imperfect, but we cannot let the perfect be the enemy of the good when it comes to something as important as the health of Americans,” said J. James Rohack, M.D., AMA president. “By extending health coverage to the vast majority of the uninsured, improving competition and choice in the insurance marketplace, promoting prevention and wellness, reducing administrative burdens, and promoting clinical comparative effectiveness research, this bill will help patients and their physicians.”... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #139 March 24, 2010 QuoteQuote P.s My fiancee is a nurse and her network of hospitals are very much agaisnt this bill bc they know what it is like to deal with govt. healthcare programs..... PPS - The American Medical Association is in favor. Ok, that's 20% or so of them...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #140 March 24, 2010 Quote Quote Quote P.s My fiancee is a nurse and her network of hospitals are very much agaisnt this bill bc they know what it is like to deal with govt. healthcare programs..... PPS - The American Medical Association is in favor. Ok, that's 20% or so of them... More than the % of the DOW represented by health insurance companies.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #141 March 24, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Of course it gain 150 points since the passage of the HC Bill, so I guess you're perfect: PERFECTLY WRONG . How much you want to bet most if not all of it was due to insurance company gains - you know, those people you were ranting about charging so much? Then there is thishttp://www.breitbart.tv/shocking-audio-rep-dingell-says-obamacare-will-eventually-control-the-people Hardly the reaction that one would expect after a "government takeover". Except it makes perfect sense when you look at it - they will now have to bump their rates and fees to accommodate for the change. So the rise is temporary. "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #142 March 24, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Of course it gain 150 points since the passage of the HC Bill, so I guess you're perfect: PERFECTLY WRONG . How much you want to bet most if not all of it was due to insurance company gains - you know, those people you were ranting about charging so much? Then there is thishttp://www.breitbart.tv/shocking-audio-rep-dingell-says-obamacare-will-eventually-control-the-people Hardly the reaction that one would expect after a "government takeover". Except it makes perfect sense when you look at it - they will now have to bump their rates and fees to accommodate for the change. So the rise is temporary. 3rd time of asking - how many health insurance companies are in the DOW?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #143 March 24, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Of course it gain 150 points since the passage of the HC Bill, so I guess you're perfect: PERFECTLY WRONG . How much you want to bet most if not all of it was due to insurance company gains - you know, those people you were ranting about charging so much? Then there is thishttp://www.breitbart.tv/shocking-audio-rep-dingell-says-obamacare-will-eventually-control-the-people Hardly the reaction that one would expect after a "government takeover". Except it makes perfect sense when you look at it - they will now have to bump their rates and fees to accommodate for the change. So the rise is temporary. 3rd time of asking - how many health insurance companies are in the DOW? I dont know I was talking about the market in general"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #144 March 24, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote P.s My fiancee is a nurse and her network of hospitals are very much agaisnt this bill bc they know what it is like to deal with govt. healthcare programs..... PPS - The American Medical Association is in favor. Of the bill or the public option? Bc I was talking about the bill not the public option. AMA statement: www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/health-system-reform/ama-supports-reform-passage.shtml “The pending bill is imperfect, but we cannot let the perfect be the enemy of the good when it comes to something as important as the health of Americans,” said J. James Rohack, M.D., AMA president. “By extending health coverage to the vast majority of the uninsured, improving competition and choice in the insurance marketplace, promoting prevention and wellness, reducing administrative burdens, and promoting clinical comparative effectiveness research, this bill will help patients and their physicians.” Ya I found it.... there other goals are interesting as well. It is a % of doctors but so is the hospital group my wonderful future wife works for.....Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #145 March 24, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Of course it gain 150 points since the passage of the HC Bill, so I guess you're perfect: PERFECTLY WRONG . How much you want to bet most if not all of it was due to insurance company gains - you know, those people you were ranting about charging so much? Then there is thishttp://www.breitbart.tv/shocking-audio-rep-dingell-says-obamacare-will-eventually-control-the-people Hardly the reaction that one would expect after a "government takeover". Except it makes perfect sense when you look at it - they will now have to bump their rates and fees to accommodate for the change. So the rise is temporary. 3rd time of asking - how many health insurance companies are in the DOW? Kall you are not going to let this go so I will just say it...... out of the top 10 .... 3 are traded and technically anthem is now wellpoint so 3 of 9 of the top health insurers.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #146 March 24, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Of course it gain 150 points since the passage of the HC Bill, so I guess you're perfect: PERFECTLY WRONG . How much you want to bet most if not all of it was due to insurance company gains - you know, those people you were ranting about charging so much? Then there is thishttp://www.breitbart.tv/shocking-audio-rep-dingell-says-obamacare-will-eventually-control-the-people Hardly the reaction that one would expect after a "government takeover". Except it makes perfect sense when you look at it - they will now have to bump their rates and fees to accommodate for the change. So the rise is temporary. 3rd time of asking - how many health insurance companies are in the DOW? I dont know I was talking about the market in general Besides the DOW, how many other US market indexes rose over 100 points since the HC law passed?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #147 March 24, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Of course it gain 150 points since the passage of the HC Bill, so I guess you're perfect: PERFECTLY WRONG . How much you want to bet most if not all of it was due to insurance company gains - you know, those people you were ranting about charging so much? Then there is thishttp://www.breitbart.tv/shocking-audio-rep-dingell-says-obamacare-will-eventually-control-the-people Hardly the reaction that one would expect after a "government takeover". Except it makes perfect sense when you look at it - they will now have to bump their rates and fees to accommodate for the change. So the rise is temporary. 3rd time of asking - how many health insurance companies are in the DOW? Kall you are not going to let this go so I will just say it...... out of the top 10 .... 3 are traded and technically anthem is now wellpoint so 3 of 9 of the top health insurers. And what contribution did Wellpoint and the other two make to the Dow Jones index? The unsubstantiated claim is that the market rise (and specifically the DOW) was driven by health insurance providers. WELL, GEE, turns out Wellpoint is DOWN since the HC bill passed.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #148 March 24, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Of course it gain 150 points since the passage of the HC Bill, so I guess you're perfect: PERFECTLY WRONG . How much you want to bet most if not all of it was due to insurance company gains - you know, those people you were ranting about charging so much? Then there is thishttp://www.breitbart.tv/shocking-audio-rep-dingell-says-obamacare-will-eventually-control-the-people Hardly the reaction that one would expect after a "government takeover". Except it makes perfect sense when you look at it - they will now have to bump their rates and fees to accommodate for the change. So the rise is temporary. 3rd time of asking - how many health insurance companies are in the DOW? Kall you are not going to let this go so I will just say it...... out of the top 10 .... 3 are traded and technically anthem is now wellpoint so 3 of 9 of the top health insurers. And what contribution did Wellpoint and the other two make to the Dow Jones index? The unsubstantiated claim is that the market rise (and specifically the DOW) was driven by health insurance providers. WELL, GEE, turns out Wellpoint is DOWN since the HC bill passed. That is true. I've got a spread on Wellpoint right now so lets hope it doesn't move too much either way No.... the market did not rise bc of ins. co's so you are correct in stating that. Now can we move on? Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #149 March 24, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Of course it gain 150 points since the passage of the HC Bill, so I guess you're perfect: PERFECTLY WRONG . How much you want to bet most if not all of it was due to insurance company gains - you know, those people you were ranting about charging so much? Then there is thishttp://www.breitbart.tv/shocking-audio-rep-dingell-says-obamacare-will-eventually-control-the-people Hardly the reaction that one would expect after a "government takeover". Except it makes perfect sense when you look at it - they will now have to bump their rates and fees to accommodate for the change. So the rise is temporary. 3rd time of asking - how many health insurance companies are in the DOW? Kall you are not going to let this go so I will just say it...... out of the top 10 .... 3 are traded and technically anthem is now wellpoint so 3 of 9 of the top health insurers. And what contribution did Wellpoint and the other two make to the Dow Jones index? The unsubstantiated claim is that the market rise (and specifically the DOW) was driven by health insurance providers. WELL, GEE, turns out Wellpoint is DOWN since the HC bill passed. That is true. I've got a spread on Wellpoint right now so lets hope it doesn't move too much either way No.... the market did not rise bc of ins. co's so you are correct in stating that. Now can we move on? Depends. If Mike and Marc follow their normal MO and ignore every fact that disagrees with their world view, I'll keep on their case. I notice that the economies of, for example, Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, Norway, Ireland, Australia, Canada and Switzerland didn't collapse when they "socialized" their medical care. In fact, capitalist bankers have done more damage to the world economy of late than have any health care issues.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #150 March 24, 2010 Quote Besides the DOW, how many other US market indexes rose over 100 points since the HC law passed? Bit of a silly question when the other major indexes are on a much smaller scale. S&P500, a much more valid marker, but it's currently at 1168, 11% of the quantity of the DOW marker. Note both are down 50 basis points today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
