Rstanley0312 1 #51 March 23, 2010 QuoteQuoteOMG ITS A SIGN OF ARMEGEDDON FOR SURE.. IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT Really? There are many that think this really is the beginning of the end by the way. Oh and the majority of Americans are against this bill....Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tjm 0 #52 March 23, 2010 I'm 21, I pay for my cost of living, college (student loans which I will have to pay back), car insurance, and health care. If I can come from a family living from pay check to pay check to acquiring a decent job on my own and putting myself through college while paying for insurances, living, and skydiving, then the majority can do something similar. Its hard out there, but still doable. It actually sucks that many who don't even put in the effort will have equal opportunity along with those who bust ass at life. Now, I agree some people are not capable of doing on there own, but alot don't deserve. Different legislation should be set to protect them more efficiently and not freeloaders. Off topic, I can't even get a grant for college because my mom "makes too much"(which is not alot) and she can't help out. In Louisiana your seen as a dependent college student until age 23 or 24. I can't remember. If you're not living on the edge; you're taking up too much room! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #53 March 23, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteOMG ITS A SIGN OF ARMEGEDDON FOR SURE.. IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT Really? There are many that think this really is the beginning of the end by the way. Oh and the majority of Americans are against this bill.... Yup and most of them are stupid cocksuckers driven by greed and avirice that someone might get something that they are not getting and that will believe anything the fat drug addicted gay boy in West Palm will tell them on his daily spewage on the EIB. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,113 #54 March 23, 2010 Quote I'm 21, I pay for my cost of living, college (student loans which I will have to pay back), car insurance, and health care. If I can come from a family living from pay check to pay check to acquiring a decent job on my own and putting myself through college while paying for insurances, living, and skydiving, then the majority can do something similar. Its hard out there, but still doable. It actually sucks that many who don't even put in the effort will have equal opportunity along with those who bust ass at life. Now, I agree some people are not capable of doing on there own, but alot don't deserve. Different legislation should be set to protect them more efficiently and not freeloaders. Off topic, I can't even get a grant for college because my mom "makes too much"(which is not alot) and she can't help out. In Louisiana your seen as a dependent college student until age 23 or 24. I can't remember. Did you go to a public grade school? High school? Do you drive on public roads? Does the plane you skydive from talk to publicly funded ATC?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,080 #55 March 23, 2010 >It actually sucks that many who don't even put in the effort will have equal >opportunity along with those who bust ass at life. They don't. I know people like that. They will never have the opportunities that you will have, and no legislation will ever change that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tumbler 0 #56 March 23, 2010 QuoteThey don't. I know people like that. They will never have the opportunities that you will have, and no legislation will ever change that. Bill I am sorry but your statement is not accurate. I volunteer at the City Mission in Schenectady New York. I work with homeless people that are trying to make something of themselves. I teach a 10 week course called "life skills". It is about working, getting a job, keeping a job, moving up at work and how to manage life. Every person at the mission/homeless shelter has the opportunity to come into this program. Many do not because it takes effort, work, dedication to come off the governments tit. It males me crazy to see able bodied, mentally healthy people blow off work time and again because they can and the system continues to take care of them. They ALL have a chance. Every single one of them. They have a chance because the war mongering, fire breathing, baby killing people like me really do care. As do the gay unicorn people that fart health care rainbows... This law is nothing more than another free tool to be used and abused by people that know how to do it best... and cost me more in taxes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,080 #57 March 23, 2010 >Bill I am sorry but your statement is not accurate. But then you say . . . >Every person at the mission/homeless shelter has the opportunity to > come into this program. Many do not because it takes effort, work, > dedication to come off the governments tit. Yes. And those people will never have the opportunities that a hardworking college grad will have. >They ALL have a chance. Every single one of them. Yes, they do. And the only way to take advantage of that chance is to stop being a freeloader, work hard, put themselves through school, get a good job etc. People who are not willing to do that will never have the opportunities that someone like TJ has, and all the government programs in the world won't change that. Overall it sounds like you agree with me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tumbler 0 #58 March 23, 2010 Quote>Bill I am sorry but your statement is not accurate. But then you say . . . >Every person at the mission/homeless shelter has the opportunity to > come into this program. Many do not because it takes effort, work, > dedication to come off the governments tit. Yes. And those people will never have the opportunities that a hardworking college grad will have. >They ALL have a chance. Every single one of them. Yes, they do. And the only way to take advantage of that chance is to stop being a freeloader, work hard, put themselves through school, get a good job etc. People who are not willing to do that will never have the opportunities that someone like TJ has, and all the government programs in the world won't change that. Overall it sounds like you agree with me. I think our definitions of opportunity must be different. You seem to be mixing it with desire, drive and a penchant to achieve. Just because they are not willing to take advantage of the opportunities does not mean the opportunities are not there... Lazy is lazy... it is not an excuse for a lack of opportunities and chances to better yourself. This law will only promote another level of entitlement, and more of your dollars and mine to the freeloading members of our society. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,080 #59 March 23, 2010 > Just because they are not willing to take advantage of the opportunities > does not mean the opportunities are not there... After a while it becomes that way. Sure, opportunities abound, especially here in the US. But if you drop out of high school, never go to college, live off your family and the government, and then at age 50 decide that you want a high paying job at a fortune-500 company - you may not have that opportunity. Can you turn your life around? Definitely. But your options are a lot more limited than someone who has a master's in engineering, an MBA and twenty years of experience in business. >Lazy is lazy... it is not an excuse for a lack of opportunities and chances >to better yourself. Right. That's pretty much what I'm saying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tumbler 0 #60 March 23, 2010 Quote> Just because they are not willing to take advantage of the opportunities > does not mean the opportunities are not there... After a while it becomes that way. Sure, opportunities abound, especially here in the US. But if you drop out of high school, never go to college, live off your family and the government, and then at age 50 decide that you want a high paying job at a fortune-500 company - you may not have that opportunity. Can you turn your life around? Definitely. But your options are a lot more limited than someone who has a master's in engineering, an MBA and twenty years of experience in business. >Lazy is lazy... it is not an excuse for a lack of opportunities and chances >to better yourself. Right. That's pretty much what I'm saying. Then we agree. :-) Overall, throughout all the threads the last two days I have enjoyed the banter and have taken several moments of pause to reflect on my own beliefs. These have been great conversations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tjm 0 #61 March 24, 2010 Yes, yes, and no. Public school - paid by taxes in which my parents have contributed to and that I conbribute to now. Public Roads - Same answer as public schools. Plane is privatley leased and barely breaks even. If the plane was somehow fully or partialy funded, I personally would have to pay the same amount if it was or wasn't, so I'm still working just as hard to finance that. The way I see it, if it was somehow funded I would be paying my jump to plus whatever insignificant amout out of my taxes to fund that portion, so would be paying more. Public school and roads have nothing to do with Healthcare. I pay taxes, so they are there. Its part of our infastructure. However, healthcare is not. I do not pay a premium for new road work to be done even if there is nothing wrong with it. I do however pay a premium for health insurance I've acquired for ?it? (my body), even though nothing is wrong with 'it'. There is a difference. To Billvon - If an oportunity is not there, one must create it themselves. Like I said, life is tough and nothing is owed to you. If you don't like life on lifes terms, kick it in the nuts and find a new one for yourself. If I followed the life I was dealt with, I would not have any ambition to improve myself, be a composive gambler, quit school, find some job to just get by, be an alchoholic, try to pay as little taxes as I can, have the government pay for my housing and get foods stamps and/or government healthcare. Sorry for the weird examples, but some referenced my parents and there lack of ambitions and problems(again not insulting my parents. I love both, but I stated facts to prove a point).If you're not living on the edge; you're taking up too much room! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tjm 0 #62 March 24, 2010 Quote> Just because they are not willing to take advantage of the opportunities > does not mean the opportunities are not there... After a while it becomes that way. Sure, opportunities abound, especially here in the US. But if you drop out of high school, never go to college, live off your family and the government, and then at age 50 decide that you want a high paying job at a fortune-500 company - you may not have that opportunity. Can you turn your life around? Definitely. But your options are a lot more limited than someone who has a master's in engineering, an MBA and twenty years of experience in business. >Lazy is lazy... it is not an excuse for a lack of opportunities and chances >to better yourself. Right. That's pretty much what I'm saying. As you said above, if they throw away the opportunity then it is not there. Just because they through away an oppotunity does means those who embrace there's or creates there's should suffer for it so that they can have one later on. Completly immoral just not right. You only get one chance at life if you mess it up, of course it will be heard to get back on track. It is infact life, she will throw all she's got at you. Of course I said early to kick life in the nuts, but I just refered to life as a she. Contradiction, I know, but he must have payed for a sex change which was allowed by the new bill passed. :) Joking aside, I'm on my blackberry right now and, Can't follow along good right now, so Billvon I'm not sure if we are agreeing with each other or not. I'll check into in a little while.:pIf you're not living on the edge; you're taking up too much room! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #63 March 24, 2010 Quote Yes, yes, and no. Public school - paid by taxes in which my parents have contributed to and that I conbribute to now. Public Roads - Same answer as public schools. Plane is privatley leased and barely breaks even. If the plane was somehow fully or partialy funded, I personally would have to pay the same amount if it was or wasn't, so I'm still working just as hard to finance that. The way I see it, if it was somehow funded I would be paying my jump to plus whatever insignificant amout out of my taxes to fund that portion, so would be paying more. Public school and roads have nothing to do with Healthcare. I pay taxes, so they are there. Its part of our infastructure. However, healthcare is not. I do not pay a premium for new road work to be done even if there is nothing wrong with it. I do however pay a premium for health insurance I've acquired for ?it? (my body), even though nothing is wrong with 'it'. There is a difference. To Billvon - If an oportunity is not there, one must create it themselves. Like I said, life is tough and nothing is owed to you. If you don't like life on lifes terms, kick it in the nuts and find a new one for yourself. If I followed the life I was dealt with, I would not have any ambition to improve myself, be a composive gambler, quit school, find some job to just get by, be an alchoholic, try to pay as little taxes as I can, have the government pay for my housing and get foods stamps and/or government healthcare. Sorry for the weird examples, but some referenced my parents and there lack of ambitions and problems(again not insulting my parents. I love both, but I stated facts to prove a point). I get the feeling that a LOT of conservatives would just LOVE to have a country with no public schools... to hell with the roads and all the other infrastructure that they use but do not want to pay for... Look.. its about making this a better society to be a part of, to deny those things decry's logic. Public schools tend to educate most of the people to a place where they stand a chance of having more than a couple brain cells rubbing together to be able to live and prosper in this modern society. The Taxes also go to keep all that infrastructure (and yes that includes the Air Traffic Control you glossed over and is part of that.. or would you prefer airliners falling from the sky randomly after collisions) I don't think you or your fellow travellers would like the kind of anarchy of living in a world such as many of you espouse. If we do get to that state of affairs.. I am going to enjoy hunting for some of those fat cats who put us into that post apocalyptic world. It would be RUDE not to Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tjm 0 #64 March 24, 2010 ATC = Air traffic Control. Awww. I missed that on my blackberry. So, yes, yes, and yes. All three with the same respond. IMO still irrelevant to the health insurance issues. My paying for a service, does not mean I have a nature right to pay a premium to a guy to finance another service when it is needed. Is this what your insisting? I didn't quite understand your respond to the answers I provided to you questions. If you're not living on the edge; you're taking up too much room! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #65 March 24, 2010 Quote ATC = Air traffic Control. Awww. I missed that on my blackberry. So, yes, yes, and yes. All three with the same respond. IMO still irrelevant to the health insurance issues. My paying for a service, does not mean I have a nature right to pay a premium to a guy to finance another service when it is needed. Is this what your insisting? I didn't quite understand your respond to the answers I provided to you questions. Ever hear this one????? "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." WE are all in this together..... I would rather live in a country... that lives up to this promise. I once swore to uphold that Constitution. I guess it is not so important to so many of those who claim to be so Patriotic that they forget their fellow Americans. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #66 March 24, 2010 My initial thought is that it's legally sound. Congress can make their own rules. They did. It's part of the rules. So that's not a problem. I also think that under the established (fucked up) jurisprudence, Congress can regulate anything it wants. Take a Constitutional government of limited power, construe "limited" to be "typo - unlimited" and you've got the recipe for this. I think this stands. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #67 March 24, 2010 QuoteMy initial thought is that it's legally sound. Congress can make their own rules. They did. It's part of the rules. So that's not a problem. I also think that under the established (fucked up) jurisprudence, Congress can regulate anything it wants. Take a Constitutional government of limited power, construe "limited" to be "typo - unlimited" and you've got the recipe for this. I think this stands. But most importantly.. a lot of lawyers make lots of money Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tumbler 0 #68 March 24, 2010 Quote Quote ATC = Air traffic Control. Awww. I missed that on my blackberry. So, yes, yes, and yes. All three with the same respond. IMO still irrelevant to the health insurance issues. My paying for a service, does not mean I have a nature right to pay a premium to a guy to finance another service when it is needed. Is this what your insisting? I didn't quite understand your respond to the answers I provided to you questions. Ever hear this one????? "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." WE are all in this together..... I would rather live in a country... that lives up to this promise. I once swore to uphold that Constitution. I guess it is not so important to so many of those who claim to be so Patriotic that they forget their fellow Americans. I call BULLSHIT!! Now I am not patriotic because I dont agree with this law? My goodness what are you smoking? I care about and tend to my fellow Americans, more than most I believe. That does not give you or the government the right to jack me while I am going about my business. That is all this law does, jack me out of my money and give it to those that dont care to work like we do. It seems the gay unicorns are on the stampede. None of us are more American or patriotic than the next. This is not a democrat or republican thing. It is a right and wrong thing. This bill is wrong in so many ways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites futuredivot 0 #69 March 24, 2010 Cool-Let's promote the general welfare-fuck all on PROVIDING the general welfare.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #70 March 24, 2010 Quote Quote Quote ATC = Air traffic Control. Awww. I missed that on my blackberry. So, yes, yes, and yes. All three with the same respond. IMO still irrelevant to the health insurance issues. My paying for a service, does not mean I have a nature right to pay a premium to a guy to finance another service when it is needed. Is this what your insisting? I didn't quite understand your respond to the answers I provided to you questions. Ever hear this one????? "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." WE are all in this together..... I would rather live in a country... that lives up to this promise. I once swore to uphold that Constitution. I guess it is not so important to so many of those who claim to be so Patriotic that they forget their fellow Americans. I call BULLSHIT!! Now I am not patriotic because I dont agree with this law? My goodness what are you smoking? I care about and tend to my fellow Americans, more than most I believe. That does not give you or the government the right to jack me while I am going about my business. That is all this law does, jack me out of my money and give it to those that dont care to work like we do. It seems the gay unicorns are on the stampede. None of us are more American or patriotic than the next. This is not a democrat or republican thing. It is a right and wrong thing. This bill is wrong in so many ways. So we will put you down as wanting a worse off America for all... ok got it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #71 March 24, 2010 QuoteCool-Let's promote the general welfare-fuck all on PROVIDING the general welfare. Hey I am down with the dog eat dog world you want as well.. I would love to keep that 30K+ a year I pay a year in taxes.... I can live after it all falls apart.. and be very well off. I bet very few of you on the fringe right will like your brave new world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #72 March 24, 2010 QuoteI also think that under the established (fucked up) jurisprudence, Congress can regulate anything it wants. Very simple. People send their Fed taxes in and the Fed govt gives a part of that back in education, roads, etc. If your state doesn't do what the SC says, they cut the funding and effectively close your schools. They have run over the backs of Fla govt so many times that the footprints won't come out of the laundry. That is why nobody tries to change legislation at the state level and just builds a SC case. Get all 50 states at once. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tjm 0 #73 March 24, 2010 "WE are all in this together..... I would rather live in a country... that lives up to this promise. I once swore to uphold that Constitution." We are all in this together only if we chose. It is a "free" country. Being forced to share your resources with anyone, IMO, is not what the creators of the constitution had in mind. "I guess it is not so important to so many of those who claim to be so Patriotic that they forget their fellow Americans." Forgetting one group, in my case the legitimate hard working class who are self sufficient, to help out another group is not the way to do be patriotic and is i fact forgetting fellow americans. If it is patriotic, then explain how? Alot of those for the health care bill, IMO, are more selfish in that they just want to make life easy for themselves at others expense.If you're not living on the edge; you're taking up too much room! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #74 March 24, 2010 Quote "WE are all in this together..... I would rather live in a country... that lives up to this promise. I once swore to uphold that Constitution." We are all in this together only if we chose. It is a "free" country. Being forced to share your resources with anyone, IMO, is not what the creators of the constitution had in mind. "I guess it is not so important to so many of those who claim to be so Patriotic that they forget their fellow Americans." Forgetting one group, in my case the legitimate hard working class who are self sufficient, to help out another group is not the way to do be patriotic and is i fact forgetting fellow americans. If it is patriotic, then explain how? Alot of those for the health care bill, IMO, are more selfish in that they just want to make life easy for themselves at others expense. How much have you paid for the support of the bogus war in Iraq compliments of the PNAC???? There are a lot of people who THOUGHT they had good health care till they had to use it. I got some VERY BIG surprises when I tried to use mine. In fact I wish ALL the fucking "conservatives" around here could have the same experience I have had with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tumbler 0 #75 March 24, 2010 Quote So we will put you down as wanting a worse off America for all... ok got it. That is one broad brush you paint with. I am either with you or evil? I read about your thinking in history books... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 3 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
tjm 0 #52 March 23, 2010 I'm 21, I pay for my cost of living, college (student loans which I will have to pay back), car insurance, and health care. If I can come from a family living from pay check to pay check to acquiring a decent job on my own and putting myself through college while paying for insurances, living, and skydiving, then the majority can do something similar. Its hard out there, but still doable. It actually sucks that many who don't even put in the effort will have equal opportunity along with those who bust ass at life. Now, I agree some people are not capable of doing on there own, but alot don't deserve. Different legislation should be set to protect them more efficiently and not freeloaders. Off topic, I can't even get a grant for college because my mom "makes too much"(which is not alot) and she can't help out. In Louisiana your seen as a dependent college student until age 23 or 24. I can't remember. If you're not living on the edge; you're taking up too much room! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #53 March 23, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteOMG ITS A SIGN OF ARMEGEDDON FOR SURE.. IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT Really? There are many that think this really is the beginning of the end by the way. Oh and the majority of Americans are against this bill.... Yup and most of them are stupid cocksuckers driven by greed and avirice that someone might get something that they are not getting and that will believe anything the fat drug addicted gay boy in West Palm will tell them on his daily spewage on the EIB. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,113 #54 March 23, 2010 Quote I'm 21, I pay for my cost of living, college (student loans which I will have to pay back), car insurance, and health care. If I can come from a family living from pay check to pay check to acquiring a decent job on my own and putting myself through college while paying for insurances, living, and skydiving, then the majority can do something similar. Its hard out there, but still doable. It actually sucks that many who don't even put in the effort will have equal opportunity along with those who bust ass at life. Now, I agree some people are not capable of doing on there own, but alot don't deserve. Different legislation should be set to protect them more efficiently and not freeloaders. Off topic, I can't even get a grant for college because my mom "makes too much"(which is not alot) and she can't help out. In Louisiana your seen as a dependent college student until age 23 or 24. I can't remember. Did you go to a public grade school? High school? Do you drive on public roads? Does the plane you skydive from talk to publicly funded ATC?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,080 #55 March 23, 2010 >It actually sucks that many who don't even put in the effort will have equal >opportunity along with those who bust ass at life. They don't. I know people like that. They will never have the opportunities that you will have, and no legislation will ever change that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tumbler 0 #56 March 23, 2010 QuoteThey don't. I know people like that. They will never have the opportunities that you will have, and no legislation will ever change that. Bill I am sorry but your statement is not accurate. I volunteer at the City Mission in Schenectady New York. I work with homeless people that are trying to make something of themselves. I teach a 10 week course called "life skills". It is about working, getting a job, keeping a job, moving up at work and how to manage life. Every person at the mission/homeless shelter has the opportunity to come into this program. Many do not because it takes effort, work, dedication to come off the governments tit. It males me crazy to see able bodied, mentally healthy people blow off work time and again because they can and the system continues to take care of them. They ALL have a chance. Every single one of them. They have a chance because the war mongering, fire breathing, baby killing people like me really do care. As do the gay unicorn people that fart health care rainbows... This law is nothing more than another free tool to be used and abused by people that know how to do it best... and cost me more in taxes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,080 #57 March 23, 2010 >Bill I am sorry but your statement is not accurate. But then you say . . . >Every person at the mission/homeless shelter has the opportunity to > come into this program. Many do not because it takes effort, work, > dedication to come off the governments tit. Yes. And those people will never have the opportunities that a hardworking college grad will have. >They ALL have a chance. Every single one of them. Yes, they do. And the only way to take advantage of that chance is to stop being a freeloader, work hard, put themselves through school, get a good job etc. People who are not willing to do that will never have the opportunities that someone like TJ has, and all the government programs in the world won't change that. Overall it sounds like you agree with me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tumbler 0 #58 March 23, 2010 Quote>Bill I am sorry but your statement is not accurate. But then you say . . . >Every person at the mission/homeless shelter has the opportunity to > come into this program. Many do not because it takes effort, work, > dedication to come off the governments tit. Yes. And those people will never have the opportunities that a hardworking college grad will have. >They ALL have a chance. Every single one of them. Yes, they do. And the only way to take advantage of that chance is to stop being a freeloader, work hard, put themselves through school, get a good job etc. People who are not willing to do that will never have the opportunities that someone like TJ has, and all the government programs in the world won't change that. Overall it sounds like you agree with me. I think our definitions of opportunity must be different. You seem to be mixing it with desire, drive and a penchant to achieve. Just because they are not willing to take advantage of the opportunities does not mean the opportunities are not there... Lazy is lazy... it is not an excuse for a lack of opportunities and chances to better yourself. This law will only promote another level of entitlement, and more of your dollars and mine to the freeloading members of our society. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,080 #59 March 23, 2010 > Just because they are not willing to take advantage of the opportunities > does not mean the opportunities are not there... After a while it becomes that way. Sure, opportunities abound, especially here in the US. But if you drop out of high school, never go to college, live off your family and the government, and then at age 50 decide that you want a high paying job at a fortune-500 company - you may not have that opportunity. Can you turn your life around? Definitely. But your options are a lot more limited than someone who has a master's in engineering, an MBA and twenty years of experience in business. >Lazy is lazy... it is not an excuse for a lack of opportunities and chances >to better yourself. Right. That's pretty much what I'm saying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tumbler 0 #60 March 23, 2010 Quote> Just because they are not willing to take advantage of the opportunities > does not mean the opportunities are not there... After a while it becomes that way. Sure, opportunities abound, especially here in the US. But if you drop out of high school, never go to college, live off your family and the government, and then at age 50 decide that you want a high paying job at a fortune-500 company - you may not have that opportunity. Can you turn your life around? Definitely. But your options are a lot more limited than someone who has a master's in engineering, an MBA and twenty years of experience in business. >Lazy is lazy... it is not an excuse for a lack of opportunities and chances >to better yourself. Right. That's pretty much what I'm saying. Then we agree. :-) Overall, throughout all the threads the last two days I have enjoyed the banter and have taken several moments of pause to reflect on my own beliefs. These have been great conversations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tjm 0 #61 March 24, 2010 Yes, yes, and no. Public school - paid by taxes in which my parents have contributed to and that I conbribute to now. Public Roads - Same answer as public schools. Plane is privatley leased and barely breaks even. If the plane was somehow fully or partialy funded, I personally would have to pay the same amount if it was or wasn't, so I'm still working just as hard to finance that. The way I see it, if it was somehow funded I would be paying my jump to plus whatever insignificant amout out of my taxes to fund that portion, so would be paying more. Public school and roads have nothing to do with Healthcare. I pay taxes, so they are there. Its part of our infastructure. However, healthcare is not. I do not pay a premium for new road work to be done even if there is nothing wrong with it. I do however pay a premium for health insurance I've acquired for ?it? (my body), even though nothing is wrong with 'it'. There is a difference. To Billvon - If an oportunity is not there, one must create it themselves. Like I said, life is tough and nothing is owed to you. If you don't like life on lifes terms, kick it in the nuts and find a new one for yourself. If I followed the life I was dealt with, I would not have any ambition to improve myself, be a composive gambler, quit school, find some job to just get by, be an alchoholic, try to pay as little taxes as I can, have the government pay for my housing and get foods stamps and/or government healthcare. Sorry for the weird examples, but some referenced my parents and there lack of ambitions and problems(again not insulting my parents. I love both, but I stated facts to prove a point).If you're not living on the edge; you're taking up too much room! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tjm 0 #62 March 24, 2010 Quote> Just because they are not willing to take advantage of the opportunities > does not mean the opportunities are not there... After a while it becomes that way. Sure, opportunities abound, especially here in the US. But if you drop out of high school, never go to college, live off your family and the government, and then at age 50 decide that you want a high paying job at a fortune-500 company - you may not have that opportunity. Can you turn your life around? Definitely. But your options are a lot more limited than someone who has a master's in engineering, an MBA and twenty years of experience in business. >Lazy is lazy... it is not an excuse for a lack of opportunities and chances >to better yourself. Right. That's pretty much what I'm saying. As you said above, if they throw away the opportunity then it is not there. Just because they through away an oppotunity does means those who embrace there's or creates there's should suffer for it so that they can have one later on. Completly immoral just not right. You only get one chance at life if you mess it up, of course it will be heard to get back on track. It is infact life, she will throw all she's got at you. Of course I said early to kick life in the nuts, but I just refered to life as a she. Contradiction, I know, but he must have payed for a sex change which was allowed by the new bill passed. :) Joking aside, I'm on my blackberry right now and, Can't follow along good right now, so Billvon I'm not sure if we are agreeing with each other or not. I'll check into in a little while.:pIf you're not living on the edge; you're taking up too much room! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #63 March 24, 2010 Quote Yes, yes, and no. Public school - paid by taxes in which my parents have contributed to and that I conbribute to now. Public Roads - Same answer as public schools. Plane is privatley leased and barely breaks even. If the plane was somehow fully or partialy funded, I personally would have to pay the same amount if it was or wasn't, so I'm still working just as hard to finance that. The way I see it, if it was somehow funded I would be paying my jump to plus whatever insignificant amout out of my taxes to fund that portion, so would be paying more. Public school and roads have nothing to do with Healthcare. I pay taxes, so they are there. Its part of our infastructure. However, healthcare is not. I do not pay a premium for new road work to be done even if there is nothing wrong with it. I do however pay a premium for health insurance I've acquired for ?it? (my body), even though nothing is wrong with 'it'. There is a difference. To Billvon - If an oportunity is not there, one must create it themselves. Like I said, life is tough and nothing is owed to you. If you don't like life on lifes terms, kick it in the nuts and find a new one for yourself. If I followed the life I was dealt with, I would not have any ambition to improve myself, be a composive gambler, quit school, find some job to just get by, be an alchoholic, try to pay as little taxes as I can, have the government pay for my housing and get foods stamps and/or government healthcare. Sorry for the weird examples, but some referenced my parents and there lack of ambitions and problems(again not insulting my parents. I love both, but I stated facts to prove a point). I get the feeling that a LOT of conservatives would just LOVE to have a country with no public schools... to hell with the roads and all the other infrastructure that they use but do not want to pay for... Look.. its about making this a better society to be a part of, to deny those things decry's logic. Public schools tend to educate most of the people to a place where they stand a chance of having more than a couple brain cells rubbing together to be able to live and prosper in this modern society. The Taxes also go to keep all that infrastructure (and yes that includes the Air Traffic Control you glossed over and is part of that.. or would you prefer airliners falling from the sky randomly after collisions) I don't think you or your fellow travellers would like the kind of anarchy of living in a world such as many of you espouse. If we do get to that state of affairs.. I am going to enjoy hunting for some of those fat cats who put us into that post apocalyptic world. It would be RUDE not to Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tjm 0 #64 March 24, 2010 ATC = Air traffic Control. Awww. I missed that on my blackberry. So, yes, yes, and yes. All three with the same respond. IMO still irrelevant to the health insurance issues. My paying for a service, does not mean I have a nature right to pay a premium to a guy to finance another service when it is needed. Is this what your insisting? I didn't quite understand your respond to the answers I provided to you questions. If you're not living on the edge; you're taking up too much room! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #65 March 24, 2010 Quote ATC = Air traffic Control. Awww. I missed that on my blackberry. So, yes, yes, and yes. All three with the same respond. IMO still irrelevant to the health insurance issues. My paying for a service, does not mean I have a nature right to pay a premium to a guy to finance another service when it is needed. Is this what your insisting? I didn't quite understand your respond to the answers I provided to you questions. Ever hear this one????? "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." WE are all in this together..... I would rather live in a country... that lives up to this promise. I once swore to uphold that Constitution. I guess it is not so important to so many of those who claim to be so Patriotic that they forget their fellow Americans. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #66 March 24, 2010 My initial thought is that it's legally sound. Congress can make their own rules. They did. It's part of the rules. So that's not a problem. I also think that under the established (fucked up) jurisprudence, Congress can regulate anything it wants. Take a Constitutional government of limited power, construe "limited" to be "typo - unlimited" and you've got the recipe for this. I think this stands. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #67 March 24, 2010 QuoteMy initial thought is that it's legally sound. Congress can make their own rules. They did. It's part of the rules. So that's not a problem. I also think that under the established (fucked up) jurisprudence, Congress can regulate anything it wants. Take a Constitutional government of limited power, construe "limited" to be "typo - unlimited" and you've got the recipe for this. I think this stands. But most importantly.. a lot of lawyers make lots of money Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tumbler 0 #68 March 24, 2010 Quote Quote ATC = Air traffic Control. Awww. I missed that on my blackberry. So, yes, yes, and yes. All three with the same respond. IMO still irrelevant to the health insurance issues. My paying for a service, does not mean I have a nature right to pay a premium to a guy to finance another service when it is needed. Is this what your insisting? I didn't quite understand your respond to the answers I provided to you questions. Ever hear this one????? "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." WE are all in this together..... I would rather live in a country... that lives up to this promise. I once swore to uphold that Constitution. I guess it is not so important to so many of those who claim to be so Patriotic that they forget their fellow Americans. I call BULLSHIT!! Now I am not patriotic because I dont agree with this law? My goodness what are you smoking? I care about and tend to my fellow Americans, more than most I believe. That does not give you or the government the right to jack me while I am going about my business. That is all this law does, jack me out of my money and give it to those that dont care to work like we do. It seems the gay unicorns are on the stampede. None of us are more American or patriotic than the next. This is not a democrat or republican thing. It is a right and wrong thing. This bill is wrong in so many ways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites futuredivot 0 #69 March 24, 2010 Cool-Let's promote the general welfare-fuck all on PROVIDING the general welfare.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #70 March 24, 2010 Quote Quote Quote ATC = Air traffic Control. Awww. I missed that on my blackberry. So, yes, yes, and yes. All three with the same respond. IMO still irrelevant to the health insurance issues. My paying for a service, does not mean I have a nature right to pay a premium to a guy to finance another service when it is needed. Is this what your insisting? I didn't quite understand your respond to the answers I provided to you questions. Ever hear this one????? "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." WE are all in this together..... I would rather live in a country... that lives up to this promise. I once swore to uphold that Constitution. I guess it is not so important to so many of those who claim to be so Patriotic that they forget their fellow Americans. I call BULLSHIT!! Now I am not patriotic because I dont agree with this law? My goodness what are you smoking? I care about and tend to my fellow Americans, more than most I believe. That does not give you or the government the right to jack me while I am going about my business. That is all this law does, jack me out of my money and give it to those that dont care to work like we do. It seems the gay unicorns are on the stampede. None of us are more American or patriotic than the next. This is not a democrat or republican thing. It is a right and wrong thing. This bill is wrong in so many ways. So we will put you down as wanting a worse off America for all... ok got it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #71 March 24, 2010 QuoteCool-Let's promote the general welfare-fuck all on PROVIDING the general welfare. Hey I am down with the dog eat dog world you want as well.. I would love to keep that 30K+ a year I pay a year in taxes.... I can live after it all falls apart.. and be very well off. I bet very few of you on the fringe right will like your brave new world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #72 March 24, 2010 QuoteI also think that under the established (fucked up) jurisprudence, Congress can regulate anything it wants. Very simple. People send their Fed taxes in and the Fed govt gives a part of that back in education, roads, etc. If your state doesn't do what the SC says, they cut the funding and effectively close your schools. They have run over the backs of Fla govt so many times that the footprints won't come out of the laundry. That is why nobody tries to change legislation at the state level and just builds a SC case. Get all 50 states at once. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tjm 0 #73 March 24, 2010 "WE are all in this together..... I would rather live in a country... that lives up to this promise. I once swore to uphold that Constitution." We are all in this together only if we chose. It is a "free" country. Being forced to share your resources with anyone, IMO, is not what the creators of the constitution had in mind. "I guess it is not so important to so many of those who claim to be so Patriotic that they forget their fellow Americans." Forgetting one group, in my case the legitimate hard working class who are self sufficient, to help out another group is not the way to do be patriotic and is i fact forgetting fellow americans. If it is patriotic, then explain how? Alot of those for the health care bill, IMO, are more selfish in that they just want to make life easy for themselves at others expense.If you're not living on the edge; you're taking up too much room! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #74 March 24, 2010 Quote "WE are all in this together..... I would rather live in a country... that lives up to this promise. I once swore to uphold that Constitution." We are all in this together only if we chose. It is a "free" country. Being forced to share your resources with anyone, IMO, is not what the creators of the constitution had in mind. "I guess it is not so important to so many of those who claim to be so Patriotic that they forget their fellow Americans." Forgetting one group, in my case the legitimate hard working class who are self sufficient, to help out another group is not the way to do be patriotic and is i fact forgetting fellow americans. If it is patriotic, then explain how? Alot of those for the health care bill, IMO, are more selfish in that they just want to make life easy for themselves at others expense. How much have you paid for the support of the bogus war in Iraq compliments of the PNAC???? There are a lot of people who THOUGHT they had good health care till they had to use it. I got some VERY BIG surprises when I tried to use mine. In fact I wish ALL the fucking "conservatives" around here could have the same experience I have had with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tumbler 0 #75 March 24, 2010 Quote So we will put you down as wanting a worse off America for all... ok got it. That is one broad brush you paint with. I am either with you or evil? I read about your thinking in history books... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 3 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
kallend 2,113 #54 March 23, 2010 Quote I'm 21, I pay for my cost of living, college (student loans which I will have to pay back), car insurance, and health care. If I can come from a family living from pay check to pay check to acquiring a decent job on my own and putting myself through college while paying for insurances, living, and skydiving, then the majority can do something similar. Its hard out there, but still doable. It actually sucks that many who don't even put in the effort will have equal opportunity along with those who bust ass at life. Now, I agree some people are not capable of doing on there own, but alot don't deserve. Different legislation should be set to protect them more efficiently and not freeloaders. Off topic, I can't even get a grant for college because my mom "makes too much"(which is not alot) and she can't help out. In Louisiana your seen as a dependent college student until age 23 or 24. I can't remember. Did you go to a public grade school? High school? Do you drive on public roads? Does the plane you skydive from talk to publicly funded ATC?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #55 March 23, 2010 >It actually sucks that many who don't even put in the effort will have equal >opportunity along with those who bust ass at life. They don't. I know people like that. They will never have the opportunities that you will have, and no legislation will ever change that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tumbler 0 #56 March 23, 2010 QuoteThey don't. I know people like that. They will never have the opportunities that you will have, and no legislation will ever change that. Bill I am sorry but your statement is not accurate. I volunteer at the City Mission in Schenectady New York. I work with homeless people that are trying to make something of themselves. I teach a 10 week course called "life skills". It is about working, getting a job, keeping a job, moving up at work and how to manage life. Every person at the mission/homeless shelter has the opportunity to come into this program. Many do not because it takes effort, work, dedication to come off the governments tit. It males me crazy to see able bodied, mentally healthy people blow off work time and again because they can and the system continues to take care of them. They ALL have a chance. Every single one of them. They have a chance because the war mongering, fire breathing, baby killing people like me really do care. As do the gay unicorn people that fart health care rainbows... This law is nothing more than another free tool to be used and abused by people that know how to do it best... and cost me more in taxes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #57 March 23, 2010 >Bill I am sorry but your statement is not accurate. But then you say . . . >Every person at the mission/homeless shelter has the opportunity to > come into this program. Many do not because it takes effort, work, > dedication to come off the governments tit. Yes. And those people will never have the opportunities that a hardworking college grad will have. >They ALL have a chance. Every single one of them. Yes, they do. And the only way to take advantage of that chance is to stop being a freeloader, work hard, put themselves through school, get a good job etc. People who are not willing to do that will never have the opportunities that someone like TJ has, and all the government programs in the world won't change that. Overall it sounds like you agree with me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tumbler 0 #58 March 23, 2010 Quote>Bill I am sorry but your statement is not accurate. But then you say . . . >Every person at the mission/homeless shelter has the opportunity to > come into this program. Many do not because it takes effort, work, > dedication to come off the governments tit. Yes. And those people will never have the opportunities that a hardworking college grad will have. >They ALL have a chance. Every single one of them. Yes, they do. And the only way to take advantage of that chance is to stop being a freeloader, work hard, put themselves through school, get a good job etc. People who are not willing to do that will never have the opportunities that someone like TJ has, and all the government programs in the world won't change that. Overall it sounds like you agree with me. I think our definitions of opportunity must be different. You seem to be mixing it with desire, drive and a penchant to achieve. Just because they are not willing to take advantage of the opportunities does not mean the opportunities are not there... Lazy is lazy... it is not an excuse for a lack of opportunities and chances to better yourself. This law will only promote another level of entitlement, and more of your dollars and mine to the freeloading members of our society. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #59 March 23, 2010 > Just because they are not willing to take advantage of the opportunities > does not mean the opportunities are not there... After a while it becomes that way. Sure, opportunities abound, especially here in the US. But if you drop out of high school, never go to college, live off your family and the government, and then at age 50 decide that you want a high paying job at a fortune-500 company - you may not have that opportunity. Can you turn your life around? Definitely. But your options are a lot more limited than someone who has a master's in engineering, an MBA and twenty years of experience in business. >Lazy is lazy... it is not an excuse for a lack of opportunities and chances >to better yourself. Right. That's pretty much what I'm saying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tumbler 0 #60 March 23, 2010 Quote> Just because they are not willing to take advantage of the opportunities > does not mean the opportunities are not there... After a while it becomes that way. Sure, opportunities abound, especially here in the US. But if you drop out of high school, never go to college, live off your family and the government, and then at age 50 decide that you want a high paying job at a fortune-500 company - you may not have that opportunity. Can you turn your life around? Definitely. But your options are a lot more limited than someone who has a master's in engineering, an MBA and twenty years of experience in business. >Lazy is lazy... it is not an excuse for a lack of opportunities and chances >to better yourself. Right. That's pretty much what I'm saying. Then we agree. :-) Overall, throughout all the threads the last two days I have enjoyed the banter and have taken several moments of pause to reflect on my own beliefs. These have been great conversations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tjm 0 #61 March 24, 2010 Yes, yes, and no. Public school - paid by taxes in which my parents have contributed to and that I conbribute to now. Public Roads - Same answer as public schools. Plane is privatley leased and barely breaks even. If the plane was somehow fully or partialy funded, I personally would have to pay the same amount if it was or wasn't, so I'm still working just as hard to finance that. The way I see it, if it was somehow funded I would be paying my jump to plus whatever insignificant amout out of my taxes to fund that portion, so would be paying more. Public school and roads have nothing to do with Healthcare. I pay taxes, so they are there. Its part of our infastructure. However, healthcare is not. I do not pay a premium for new road work to be done even if there is nothing wrong with it. I do however pay a premium for health insurance I've acquired for ?it? (my body), even though nothing is wrong with 'it'. There is a difference. To Billvon - If an oportunity is not there, one must create it themselves. Like I said, life is tough and nothing is owed to you. If you don't like life on lifes terms, kick it in the nuts and find a new one for yourself. If I followed the life I was dealt with, I would not have any ambition to improve myself, be a composive gambler, quit school, find some job to just get by, be an alchoholic, try to pay as little taxes as I can, have the government pay for my housing and get foods stamps and/or government healthcare. Sorry for the weird examples, but some referenced my parents and there lack of ambitions and problems(again not insulting my parents. I love both, but I stated facts to prove a point).If you're not living on the edge; you're taking up too much room! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tjm 0 #62 March 24, 2010 Quote> Just because they are not willing to take advantage of the opportunities > does not mean the opportunities are not there... After a while it becomes that way. Sure, opportunities abound, especially here in the US. But if you drop out of high school, never go to college, live off your family and the government, and then at age 50 decide that you want a high paying job at a fortune-500 company - you may not have that opportunity. Can you turn your life around? Definitely. But your options are a lot more limited than someone who has a master's in engineering, an MBA and twenty years of experience in business. >Lazy is lazy... it is not an excuse for a lack of opportunities and chances >to better yourself. Right. That's pretty much what I'm saying. As you said above, if they throw away the opportunity then it is not there. Just because they through away an oppotunity does means those who embrace there's or creates there's should suffer for it so that they can have one later on. Completly immoral just not right. You only get one chance at life if you mess it up, of course it will be heard to get back on track. It is infact life, she will throw all she's got at you. Of course I said early to kick life in the nuts, but I just refered to life as a she. Contradiction, I know, but he must have payed for a sex change which was allowed by the new bill passed. :) Joking aside, I'm on my blackberry right now and, Can't follow along good right now, so Billvon I'm not sure if we are agreeing with each other or not. I'll check into in a little while.:pIf you're not living on the edge; you're taking up too much room! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #63 March 24, 2010 Quote Yes, yes, and no. Public school - paid by taxes in which my parents have contributed to and that I conbribute to now. Public Roads - Same answer as public schools. Plane is privatley leased and barely breaks even. If the plane was somehow fully or partialy funded, I personally would have to pay the same amount if it was or wasn't, so I'm still working just as hard to finance that. The way I see it, if it was somehow funded I would be paying my jump to plus whatever insignificant amout out of my taxes to fund that portion, so would be paying more. Public school and roads have nothing to do with Healthcare. I pay taxes, so they are there. Its part of our infastructure. However, healthcare is not. I do not pay a premium for new road work to be done even if there is nothing wrong with it. I do however pay a premium for health insurance I've acquired for ?it? (my body), even though nothing is wrong with 'it'. There is a difference. To Billvon - If an oportunity is not there, one must create it themselves. Like I said, life is tough and nothing is owed to you. If you don't like life on lifes terms, kick it in the nuts and find a new one for yourself. If I followed the life I was dealt with, I would not have any ambition to improve myself, be a composive gambler, quit school, find some job to just get by, be an alchoholic, try to pay as little taxes as I can, have the government pay for my housing and get foods stamps and/or government healthcare. Sorry for the weird examples, but some referenced my parents and there lack of ambitions and problems(again not insulting my parents. I love both, but I stated facts to prove a point). I get the feeling that a LOT of conservatives would just LOVE to have a country with no public schools... to hell with the roads and all the other infrastructure that they use but do not want to pay for... Look.. its about making this a better society to be a part of, to deny those things decry's logic. Public schools tend to educate most of the people to a place where they stand a chance of having more than a couple brain cells rubbing together to be able to live and prosper in this modern society. The Taxes also go to keep all that infrastructure (and yes that includes the Air Traffic Control you glossed over and is part of that.. or would you prefer airliners falling from the sky randomly after collisions) I don't think you or your fellow travellers would like the kind of anarchy of living in a world such as many of you espouse. If we do get to that state of affairs.. I am going to enjoy hunting for some of those fat cats who put us into that post apocalyptic world. It would be RUDE not to Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tjm 0 #64 March 24, 2010 ATC = Air traffic Control. Awww. I missed that on my blackberry. So, yes, yes, and yes. All three with the same respond. IMO still irrelevant to the health insurance issues. My paying for a service, does not mean I have a nature right to pay a premium to a guy to finance another service when it is needed. Is this what your insisting? I didn't quite understand your respond to the answers I provided to you questions. If you're not living on the edge; you're taking up too much room! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #65 March 24, 2010 Quote ATC = Air traffic Control. Awww. I missed that on my blackberry. So, yes, yes, and yes. All three with the same respond. IMO still irrelevant to the health insurance issues. My paying for a service, does not mean I have a nature right to pay a premium to a guy to finance another service when it is needed. Is this what your insisting? I didn't quite understand your respond to the answers I provided to you questions. Ever hear this one????? "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." WE are all in this together..... I would rather live in a country... that lives up to this promise. I once swore to uphold that Constitution. I guess it is not so important to so many of those who claim to be so Patriotic that they forget their fellow Americans. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #66 March 24, 2010 My initial thought is that it's legally sound. Congress can make their own rules. They did. It's part of the rules. So that's not a problem. I also think that under the established (fucked up) jurisprudence, Congress can regulate anything it wants. Take a Constitutional government of limited power, construe "limited" to be "typo - unlimited" and you've got the recipe for this. I think this stands. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #67 March 24, 2010 QuoteMy initial thought is that it's legally sound. Congress can make their own rules. They did. It's part of the rules. So that's not a problem. I also think that under the established (fucked up) jurisprudence, Congress can regulate anything it wants. Take a Constitutional government of limited power, construe "limited" to be "typo - unlimited" and you've got the recipe for this. I think this stands. But most importantly.. a lot of lawyers make lots of money Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tumbler 0 #68 March 24, 2010 Quote Quote ATC = Air traffic Control. Awww. I missed that on my blackberry. So, yes, yes, and yes. All three with the same respond. IMO still irrelevant to the health insurance issues. My paying for a service, does not mean I have a nature right to pay a premium to a guy to finance another service when it is needed. Is this what your insisting? I didn't quite understand your respond to the answers I provided to you questions. Ever hear this one????? "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." WE are all in this together..... I would rather live in a country... that lives up to this promise. I once swore to uphold that Constitution. I guess it is not so important to so many of those who claim to be so Patriotic that they forget their fellow Americans. I call BULLSHIT!! Now I am not patriotic because I dont agree with this law? My goodness what are you smoking? I care about and tend to my fellow Americans, more than most I believe. That does not give you or the government the right to jack me while I am going about my business. That is all this law does, jack me out of my money and give it to those that dont care to work like we do. It seems the gay unicorns are on the stampede. None of us are more American or patriotic than the next. This is not a democrat or republican thing. It is a right and wrong thing. This bill is wrong in so many ways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #69 March 24, 2010 Cool-Let's promote the general welfare-fuck all on PROVIDING the general welfare.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #70 March 24, 2010 Quote Quote Quote ATC = Air traffic Control. Awww. I missed that on my blackberry. So, yes, yes, and yes. All three with the same respond. IMO still irrelevant to the health insurance issues. My paying for a service, does not mean I have a nature right to pay a premium to a guy to finance another service when it is needed. Is this what your insisting? I didn't quite understand your respond to the answers I provided to you questions. Ever hear this one????? "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." WE are all in this together..... I would rather live in a country... that lives up to this promise. I once swore to uphold that Constitution. I guess it is not so important to so many of those who claim to be so Patriotic that they forget their fellow Americans. I call BULLSHIT!! Now I am not patriotic because I dont agree with this law? My goodness what are you smoking? I care about and tend to my fellow Americans, more than most I believe. That does not give you or the government the right to jack me while I am going about my business. That is all this law does, jack me out of my money and give it to those that dont care to work like we do. It seems the gay unicorns are on the stampede. None of us are more American or patriotic than the next. This is not a democrat or republican thing. It is a right and wrong thing. This bill is wrong in so many ways. So we will put you down as wanting a worse off America for all... ok got it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #71 March 24, 2010 QuoteCool-Let's promote the general welfare-fuck all on PROVIDING the general welfare. Hey I am down with the dog eat dog world you want as well.. I would love to keep that 30K+ a year I pay a year in taxes.... I can live after it all falls apart.. and be very well off. I bet very few of you on the fringe right will like your brave new world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #72 March 24, 2010 QuoteI also think that under the established (fucked up) jurisprudence, Congress can regulate anything it wants. Very simple. People send their Fed taxes in and the Fed govt gives a part of that back in education, roads, etc. If your state doesn't do what the SC says, they cut the funding and effectively close your schools. They have run over the backs of Fla govt so many times that the footprints won't come out of the laundry. That is why nobody tries to change legislation at the state level and just builds a SC case. Get all 50 states at once. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tjm 0 #73 March 24, 2010 "WE are all in this together..... I would rather live in a country... that lives up to this promise. I once swore to uphold that Constitution." We are all in this together only if we chose. It is a "free" country. Being forced to share your resources with anyone, IMO, is not what the creators of the constitution had in mind. "I guess it is not so important to so many of those who claim to be so Patriotic that they forget their fellow Americans." Forgetting one group, in my case the legitimate hard working class who are self sufficient, to help out another group is not the way to do be patriotic and is i fact forgetting fellow americans. If it is patriotic, then explain how? Alot of those for the health care bill, IMO, are more selfish in that they just want to make life easy for themselves at others expense.If you're not living on the edge; you're taking up too much room! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #74 March 24, 2010 Quote "WE are all in this together..... I would rather live in a country... that lives up to this promise. I once swore to uphold that Constitution." We are all in this together only if we chose. It is a "free" country. Being forced to share your resources with anyone, IMO, is not what the creators of the constitution had in mind. "I guess it is not so important to so many of those who claim to be so Patriotic that they forget their fellow Americans." Forgetting one group, in my case the legitimate hard working class who are self sufficient, to help out another group is not the way to do be patriotic and is i fact forgetting fellow americans. If it is patriotic, then explain how? Alot of those for the health care bill, IMO, are more selfish in that they just want to make life easy for themselves at others expense. How much have you paid for the support of the bogus war in Iraq compliments of the PNAC???? There are a lot of people who THOUGHT they had good health care till they had to use it. I got some VERY BIG surprises when I tried to use mine. In fact I wish ALL the fucking "conservatives" around here could have the same experience I have had with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tumbler 0 #75 March 24, 2010 Quote So we will put you down as wanting a worse off America for all... ok got it. That is one broad brush you paint with. I am either with you or evil? I read about your thinking in history books... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
