airdvr 210 #1 March 22, 2010 What's in their future? Personally, if you voted for HC you're not getting my vote...regardless of party.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #2 March 22, 2010 QuoteWhat's in their future? Personally, if you voted for HC you're not getting my vote...regardless of party. In addition to the disaster that is the HC bill, as the economy continues to stagnate/decline, I'm betting the majorities will look a little bit different in November. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #3 March 22, 2010 QuoteQuoteWhat's in their future? Personally, if you voted for HC you're not getting my vote...regardless of party. In addition to the disaster that is the HC bill, as the economy continues to stagnate/decline, I'm betting the majorities will look a little bit different in November. It's hard to say. If history is any indicator then Republicans will pick up seats in Congress, regardless of any legislation concerns. On the other hand, the D's will have a few months to talk about the good aspects of the health care bill. Those benefits poll well and the R's completely severed any relationship to them. The R's are courting the tea party movement but that's also a potentially perilous position. You have to embrace a lot of idiots and CONservatives in order to get to the actual conservatives who sympathize with the movement. The D's will have all summer to talk about the avoided depression and growing economy, the health care "win", the troops coming home from Iraq, and the good work they're doing WRT student lending so they've got some stuff to work with in their favor. The R's have spent all of their energy obstructing and not offering up much in the form of solutions to anything. I expect the R's to pray for a failing economy or some other catastrophe and to use the deficit arguments to their advantage, along with, of course, a tremendous amount of fear mongering. So let's see. I'd say that the R's have have a good chance for winning in Nov. On their side they have historical trends, fear mongering (the media loves that crap) and the reality that the D's will be inept in their ability to publicly present their accomplishments to a society of people can't think beyond 140 character tweets. P.S. I'm not sure how immigration reform will play into the election but that may turn out to be the deciding factor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #4 March 22, 2010 QuotePersonally, if you voted for HC you're not getting my vote...regardless of party. given that every GOP voted against it, that's not quite the non partisan angle you implied. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,156 #5 March 22, 2010 QuoteQuoteWhat's in their future? Personally, if you voted for HC you're not getting my vote...regardless of party. In addition to the disaster that is the HC bill, as the economy continues to stagnate/decline, I'm betting the majorities will look a little bit different in November. When it becomes apparent that the death panels and other GOP scares don't really exist, the situation will change.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #6 March 22, 2010 QuoteQuotePersonally, if you voted for HC you're not getting my vote...regardless of party. given that every GOP voted against it, that's not quite the non partisan angle you implied. I knew that no R's voted Yea...not the point I was going for. Wouldn't have mattered to me. The idea of reform was a good one...the implimentation will be bad for me.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #7 March 22, 2010 Quote Quote Quote What's in their future? Personally, if you voted for HC you're not getting my vote...regardless of party. In addition to the disaster that is the HC bill, as the economy continues to stagnate/decline, I'm betting the majorities will look a little bit different in November. When it becomes apparent that the death panels and other GOP scares don't really exist, the situation will change. http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/22/news/economy/obama_proposal_payfors/index.htm?postversion=2010022216 Actually, I think when this becomes more apparant the situation will most definitely change. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #8 March 22, 2010 Quote Actually, I think when this becomes more apparant the situation will most definitely change. Damned Democrats and their insistence in paying for things. One day they'll learn that it's "emergency" supplementals that are the answer to balancing the budget! It will definitely work if they call it something like the "Free Patriot's Freedom and Liberty Supplement for Freedom" act. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #9 March 22, 2010 Quote Quote Actually, I think when this becomes more apparant the situation will most definitely change. Damned Democrats and their insistence in paying for things. One day they'll learn that it's "emergency" supplementals that are the answer to balancing the budget! It will definitely work if they call it something like the "Free Patriot's Freedom and Liberty Supplement for Freedom" act. Have some more kool-aid if you think it's going to be paid for.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #10 March 22, 2010 Quote Damned Democrats and their insistence in paying for things. Yeah, it was really impressive seeing them use returned TARP money to pay for a new job bill act. Oh wait, you mean that TARP money wasn't real money, it was just more debt? Face it, "Pay as you go" is just as much a fraud as their pledge to end earmarks. I do wonder what the imbalanced tax increases (200k for individual, 250k for married couples) will do to marriage rates in big cities where the cost of living is 50-100% higher than the average. The marriage penalty is back and bigger than ever! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #11 March 22, 2010 QuoteQuote Damned Democrats and their insistence in paying for things. Yeah, it was really impressive seeing them use returned TARP money to pay for a new job bill act. Oh wait, you mean that TARP money wasn't real money, it was just more debt? Face it, "Pay as you go" is just as much a fraud as their pledge to end earmarks. I do wonder what the imbalanced tax increases (200k for individual, 250k for married couples) will do to marriage rates in big cities where the cost of living is 50-100% higher than the average. The marriage penalty is back and bigger than ever! You have to give the Dems credit for reducing earmarks from the all time highs of a few years ago. But that argument is basically "hey, they suck less", which admittedly isn't a very good one. Who knows, Pay-Go may actually pan out to be a good thing if it is ever actually implemented. But at least they're paying specific lip service to addressing costs, as opposed to the emergency supplemental fiscal magic that we saw in the Bush years, which was the reason for my post. As for the marriage penalty crap, I hope they don't figure out another way to gouge the middle class again. I think they should institute a "failed leadership" tax. If you've ever run a company (or country) into such financial trouble that you needed a taxpayer bailout, then you owe "X" percentage of your most recent bonus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,121 #12 March 22, 2010 >In addition to the disaster that is the HC bill, as the economy continues to >stagnate/decline, I'm betting the majorities will look a little bit different in >November. I think a lot of Republicans really believed in the "healthcare will be Obama's Waterloo" thing. Now that it's succeeded, he's going to be perceived as a more effective president. (In partisan terms, he "defeated the Republicans" "stood up to the opposition" etc etc.) In addition, the economy is starting to recover; that's going to help democrats when it comes to elections. It won't be back to pre-2007 levels though, so it won't help them that much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #13 March 22, 2010 Quote In addition, the economy is starting to recover; that's going to help democrats when it comes to elections. It won't be back to pre-2007 levels though, so it won't help them that much. I think the slope matters more. And a positive slope there will improve people's opinions on the passed HC. The GOP does have to move on pretty quickly. If their summer campaign will be "we tried to stop bad HC" and nothing more, it will be hard for them to capitalize on any voter anger. Better for them to focus on budget issues. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #14 March 23, 2010 Actually, all they have to say is, "we've got.a healthcare bill that wasn't voted on." It seems funny to me. The HC passage was not a war between GOP and Dem. It was Democrats against Democrats. I found it an interesting example of, "toe the line." Or rather, "we'll give you x, y and z if you vote with us." I think if the GOP focuses on HOW the bill was passed they'll have success, as well. Personally, I don't think the country was run better that when there was a Dem president and a GOP congress. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #15 March 23, 2010 Quote It seems funny to me. The HC passage was not a war between GOP and Dem. It was Democrats against Democrats. Only because the Republicans completely removed themselves from the conversation. Failing to participate, after doing most of the damage to get to this point, is not really an endearing quality in a candidate, imo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #16 March 23, 2010 Have sex with me. Or at the very least give me a BJ. Come to the table and let's meet somewhere in the middle. Or are there certain things that you just aren't going to negotiate? Are you that seyt in your ideology that you won't come to the table? You partisan!!! My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #17 March 23, 2010 QuoteActually, all they have to say is, "we've got.a healthcare bill that wasn't voted on." It seems funny to me. The HC passage was not a war between GOP and Dem. It was Democrats against Democrats. I found it an interesting example of, "toe the line." Or rather, "we'll give you x, y and z if you vote with us." That's how they (meaning "politicians") do it. This is nothing new. Quote I think if the GOP focuses on HOW the bill was passed they'll have success, as well. You may be right. Even though the GOP has used the same tactics when they were in power, for some reason they seem to be able to get the media to behave like it's unprecedented when the Dems do it. Quote Personally, I don't think the country was run better that when there was a Dem president and a GOP congress. My first reaction is to agree with you. Unfortunately the dynamics in Washington have changed. The health care bill that just passed is, at its roots, what was proposed by Dole and the Heritage Foundation a decade and a half ago. My bet is that if the GOP takes Congress this fall then they will have their eyes fixed on the next election. The partisanship will be crippling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #18 March 23, 2010 QuoteWhat's in their future? Personally, if you voted for HC you're not getting my vote...regardless of party. Focus here: http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
