French TV's "Game of Death"

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I really wish we could get this in the US. It's a callback to a study done in the 1960s, but I don't think people are generally aware of it.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2010/03/17/cb.game.show.death.cnn?hpt=C2

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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Kinda like seeing how many times you can get a Dem to vote for crappy legislation?

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[DanG 1]

Or how many times you can get poor working class people to vote Republican?

- Dan G

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Kinda like seeing how many times you can get a Dem to vote for crappy legislation?

Sigh . . . no . . . more like how you can turn a fairly normal person into a torturer.

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Kinda like seeing how many times you can get a Dem to vote for crappy legislation?

Sigh . . . no . . . more like how you can turn a fairly normal person into a torturer.

Yea...like I was sayin'

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

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I really wish we could get this in the US. It's a callback to a study done in the 1960s, but I don't think people are generally aware of it.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2010/03/17/cb.game.show.death.cnn?hpt=C2

As you note, it has been done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

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I really wish we could get this in the US. It's a callback to a study done in the 1960s, but I don't think people are generally aware of it.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2010/03/17/cb.game.show.death.cnn?hpt=C2

As you note, it has been done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

At last, an intelligent person to chat with!

Windsor, you didn't happen to see "Inglourious Basterds" did you? I thought Tarantino was also making a similar statement when he essentially makes the members of the viewing audience cheer for the torture of the Nazis.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Remster 30]

Between the Milgram experiment, that, the Stanford prison project, and now that TV show, there is a lot of supporting evidence that man can be turned into evil being very easily.

If you are interested, this book is a great look into this issue
http://www.lucifereffect.com/

Remster

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Or how many times you can get poor working class people to vote Republican?

You can't get poor working class people to vote Republican, that requires a mindset with a higher IQ.

You live more in the few minutes of skydiving than many people live in their lifetime

[billvon 3,120]

>You can't get poor working class people to vote Republican, that
>requires a mindset with a higher IQ.

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ScienceDaily (Feb. 24, 2010) — More intelligent people are statistically significantly more likely to exhibit social values and religious and political preferences that are novel to the human species in evolutionary history. Specifically, liberalism and atheism, and for men (but not women), preference for sexual exclusivity correlate with higher intelligence, a new study finds.

The study, published in the March 2010 issue of the peer-reviewed scientific journal Social Psychology Quarterly, advances a new theory to explain why people form particular preferences and values. The theory suggests that more intelligent people are more likely than less intelligent people to adopt evolutionarily novel preferences and values, but intelligence does not correlate with preferences and values that are old enough to have been shaped by evolution over millions of years.
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On the plus side, it's easier to temporarily decrease intelligence than increase it. So if you really want to get a GOP candidate elected, giving out free liquor, or perhaps decreasing the oxygen available in the polling location, might just give you the edge you need.

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Or how many times you can get poor working class people to vote Republican?

You can't get poor working class people to vote Republican, that requires a mindset with a higher IQ.

Has your higher IQ still not noticed that you've got your Churchill quote totally back-asswards?

I Know it's been pointed out to you before...

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Between the Milgram experiment, that, the Stanford prison project, and now that TV show, there is a lot of supporting evidence that man can be turned into evil being very easily.

And on a slightly larger scale there are also the armies of Hitler, Hirohito, Pol Pot, the militias of Rwanda, the DRC and countless other tin pot African republics...

Every major atrocity in human history, no matter how twisted and evil the people who planned it, has been carried out by 'normal' people.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Between the Milgram experiment, that, the Stanford prison project, and now that TV show, there is a lot of supporting evidence that man can be turned into evil being very easily.

And on a slightly larger scale there are also the armies of Hitler, Hirohito, Pol Pot, the militias of Rwanda, the DRC and countless other tin pot African republics...

Every major atrocity in human history, no matter how twisted and evil the people who planned it, has been carried out by 'normal' people.

Very true, but the basic difference is that in the _actual_ cases of evil you mention, one could easily argue that the level or coercion (real, implied, or perceived) was much much higher.

Having your comrades in arm in your little para-military group threaten to kill you if you dont rape the little girl you captured, isnt quite on the same level as a TV show host reminding you that you signed an agreement to follow orders.

Its alot easier to slip into it than most people realize. I am sure the 101st fighting keyboard division will reply in a typical Rambo way "No way, I'd do the right thing man!", but reality as shown something else entirely.

Remster

[captain1976 0]

Has your higher IQ still not noticed that you've got your Churchill quote totally back-asswards?

I Know it's been pointed out to you before...

That quote is one of several versions I read, but regardless of how the words are re-arranged, is still conveys the point he was making.

Who said anything about having a high IQ? I was just sitting here with Billy Weber and looking for some fun, we were trying to see how much trouble a simple sentence could cause.

I'm disappointed, I was looking forward to more insults.

You live more in the few minutes of skydiving than many people live in their lifetime

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That quote is one of several versions I read,

And it's very easy to find out what the right one is.

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but regardless of how the words are re-arranged, is still conveys the point he was making.

No, it doesn't. It conveys exactly the opposite point. When I said you had it back-asswards, I said it for a reason.

Do you even know what he was talking about?

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Who said anything about having a high IQ?

You did. High IQ but a poor memory, apparently.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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I really wish we could get this in the US. It's a callback to a study done in the 1960s, but I don't think people are generally aware of it.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2010/03/17/cb.game.show.death.cnn?hpt=C2

As you note, it has been done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

I remember reading about that several years ago - I *do* wonder, however, how many people turned them down.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[wmw999 2,589]

Either he said something or he didn't. The actual quote is "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few." He said it on August 20, 1940.

It's cute to turn it on its head as a commentary on the welfare state, but then you shouldn't attribute it to Winston Churchill. It's the opposite of what he said.

And "I heard different versions" is a bullshit excuse.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Its alot easier to slip into it than most people realize. I am sure the 101st fighting keyboard division will reply in a typical Rambo way "No way, I'd do the right thing man!", but reality as shown something else entirely.

This is the interesting thing to me. Just as almot everybody believe they are of above average intelligence, I'm sure we'd all like to think we are in the minority that would refuse.

I'm enough of a rule-follower to suspect I would be one of the ones that would follow orders. Not particularly something to be proud of in this case but a matter of truth and self-awareness.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

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I really wish we could get this in the US. It's a callback to a study done in the 1960s, but I don't think people are generally aware of it.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2010/03/17/cb.game.show.death.cnn?hpt=C2

As you note, it has been done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

I remember reading about that several years ago - I *do* wonder, however, how many people turned them down.

I'm sorry Mike, but you you even read what people post? If you really wondered, you'd read the dam links.

Its in the 2nd section of the wiki article... You know, the part called "results"... Even the French TV show results are on that page, in the Replications section.

Remster

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I really wish we could get this in the US. It's a callback to a study done in the 1960s, but I don't think people are generally aware of it.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2010/03/17/cb.game.show.death.cnn?hpt=C2

As you note, it has been done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

I remember reading about that several years ago - I *do* wonder, however, how many people turned them down.

I'm sorry Mike, but you you even read what people post? If you really wondered, you'd read the dam links.

Its in the 2nd section of the wiki article... You know, the part called "results"... Even the French TV show results are on that page, in the Replications section.

I'm sorry, Remi, I didn't know it was required to read whatever is linked to in a post before answering, especially when the answer was a general comment and not any sort of argument for or against. Can you point me to where the new posting rules are? I'd hate to offend such delicate sensibilities.

But, since we're on the subject now, maybe you can show me where on that page that it mentions people that refused to participate in the experiment - you know, referring to that part I wrote that says "how many people turned them down".

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[Remster 30]

If you really wonder, you can do your own reading.

Remster

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If you really wonder, you can do your own reading.

I did - and neither your wiki page nor what I recall reading several years ago mention the number or percentage of people that refused to participate in the experiment at all.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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But, since we're on the subject now, maybe you can show me where on that page that it mentions people that refused to participate in the experiment - you know, referring to that part I wrote that says "how many people turned them down".

The advert for the experiment does not mention what the participants are required to do. Participants only find out what they are required to do once they are participating. Anyone who refused to administer even one shock would be recorded as such. Therefore, "people who turned them down" is not seperate from the rest of the results.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Either he said something or he didn't. The actual quote is "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few." He said it on August 20, 1940.

It's cute to turn it on its head as a commentary on the welfare state, but then you shouldn't attribute it to Winston Churchill. It's the opposite of what he said.

And "I heard different versions" is a bullshit excuse.

Wendy W.

There are about 10 different version I found online. But I explained that in previous emails. Never knew you to be insulting as I always thought you were perfect.

You live more in the few minutes of skydiving than many people live in their lifetime

[billvon 3,120]

>There are about 10 different version I found online.

Is this the flexible, non-reality-based world of the modern conservative? Anything you find online is valid? I like it! A few quotes I might use:

"Ask not what you can do for your country, ask rather what your country can do for you." - JFK

"The nine most comforting words in the English language are... I'm from the government and I'm here to help." - Ronald Reagan

"Government does not subsidize problems; it solves them." - Ronald Reagan

"Think health care is expensive now? Wait till we ignore it." - PJ O’Rourke