christelsabine 1 #26 March 31, 2010 QuoteQuoteDo you let them know that you think they have low IQ's? Their IQ's are normal. They were raised in American and were brought up properly by literate parents. .... raised in American .... That means what? And what is "normal" IQ (level) ?? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #27 March 31, 2010 QuoteQuoteWhat part of "low IQ's in general" do you think meant something other than, "Palestinians are stupid?" I'd bet dollars to donuts that the good Captain1976 has not met too many Arabs in the flesh. They are no more stupid than anyone else, including Jews. I have quite a few Arab friends. We joke around a lot since they aren't fanatics. As Dan has pointed out, you are confusing education with IQ. Ignorance != stupidity. Given how much anger the topic generates, it's usually better to avoid inflammatory statements like the Arabs are too stupid to handle the situation. There are better ways to say that their leadership is unwilling to look in the interests of their people, and would rather leave them to rot. But that comes down to self centered leadership, not low IQs among the Arabs of the region. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #28 March 31, 2010 Quote"Let us be clear. All settlement activity is illegal anywhere in occupied territory and must be stopped." UN chief Ban Ki Moon http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArtVty.jhtml?sw=settlement&itemNo=1157660 UN Human Rights Council passes 3 resolutions condemning Israel: Another resolution called on Israel to stop building all settlements and move to withdrawing those now there, was passed by 45 votes with the EU supporting it and only the United States opposing. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArtVty.jhtml?sw=settlements&itemNo=1158708 No doubt you think Ban Ki Moon, the UN and the EU are also uneducated. tell me did yu support apartheid in South Africa also? The key difference being that the blacks in ZA weren't trying to kill off the whites. The UN is a political entity, not an impartial one, and Israel is outnumbered greatly by muslim nations. That the mob can pass these resolutions is just as bad as that the US can block them all. The only advice the UN seems willing to provide to solve the problem is to tell Israel to surrender. Not much of a contribution, honestly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #29 March 31, 2010 Quotetell me did yu support apartheid in South Africa also? Hell Ya man... who the hell wants those prawns livin next door. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #30 March 31, 2010 Quote Quote "Let us be clear. All settlement activity is illegal anywhere in occupied territory and must be stopped." UN chief Ban Ki Moon http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArtVty.jhtml?sw=settlement&itemNo=1157660 UN Human Rights Council passes 3 resolutions condemning Israel: Another resolution called on Israel to stop building all settlements and move to withdrawing those now there, was passed by 45 votes with the EU supporting it and only the United States opposing. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArtVty.jhtml?sw=settlements&itemNo=1158708 No doubt you think Ban Ki Moon, the UN and the EU are also uneducated. tell me did yu support apartheid in South Africa also? The key difference being that the blacks in ZA weren't trying to kill off the whites. The UN is a political entity, not an impartial one, and Israel is outnumbered greatly by muslim nations. That the mob can pass these resolutions is just as bad as that the US can block them all. The only advice the UN seems willing to provide to solve the problem is to tell Israel to surrender. Not much of a contribution, honestly. the palestinians are merely trying to regain their own nation - the same as south african blacks (and aren't you being a bit ungrateful to the UN who voted israel into existence in the first place)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #31 March 31, 2010 Quotethe palestinians are merely trying to regain their own nation The Palistinians and their arab neighbors attacked a very young helpless country from the moment it came into existence.... THEY LOST FUCK THEM Unless you want to start rewriting history across the board in Europe...in Asia....in south America...in North America for the last few thousands of years that people have been doing the whole WAR thing. It would have behooved them to make peace in 1948.....1956.....1967....1973....and since the beginning of the Intefada. At some point you need to get a firm grip on reality and realize you are just making it worse for your aspirations of being a nation and the betterment of your people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #32 March 31, 2010 Quote Quote the palestinians are merely trying to regain their own nation The Palistinians and their arab neighbors attacked a very young helpless country from the moment it came into existence.... ...voted into existence by the UN (surely then they have the power to 'unvote' israel)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyhays 86 #33 March 31, 2010 Quote(surely then they have the power to 'unvote' israel) They've been trying that for years...and failing.“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #34 March 31, 2010 QuoteQuote(surely then they have the power to 'unvote' israel) They've been trying that for years...and failing. then israel have won their state and are secure...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #35 March 31, 2010 Quote the palestinians are merely trying to regain their own nation - the same as south african blacks (and aren't you being a bit ungrateful to the UN who voted israel into existence in the first place) Which nation are you referring to? The post WWII environment is not the same as the existing one, and it was Britain and the Allied winners that choose this route to handle the millions of Jewish refugees. It would be funny for the UN to try to tell Israel, with its hundreds of nukes, that they had to dissolve. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #36 March 31, 2010 Quote The UN is a political entity, not an impartial one, and Israel is outnumbered greatly by muslim nations. And supported greatly by (a) non-muslim nation. Quote That the mob can pass these resolutions is just as bad as that the US can block them all. The only advice the UN seems willing to provide to solve the problem is to tell Israel to surrender. Not much of a contribution, honestly. Asking Israel to abide by their agreements or asking them to quit exacerbating the situation is not calling for their surrender. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #37 March 31, 2010 Quote Asking Israel to abide by their agreements or asking them to quit exacerbating the situation is not calling for their surrender. Asking only they to abide by agreements with parties that won't do so as well, or the very vague "quite exacerbating the situation" isn't very realistic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #38 March 31, 2010 Quote Asking only they to abide by agreements with parties that won't do so as well,..... To which party are you referring? Ignoring the failures of all participants will do nothing but delay a solution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #39 April 1, 2010 Quote Quote the palestinians are merely trying to regain their own nation - the same as south african blacks (and aren't you being a bit ungrateful to the UN who voted israel into existence in the first place) Which nation are you referring to? palestine of course (waits for inevitable denial)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #40 April 1, 2010 QuoteHowever history has shows that "these" humans generally take more from society than they give. That is by far the most ignorant post I have yet seen. Not because I am insulted but the amount of facts that are conveniently left out. Like when the Christians were killing people that said the world was not flat Islam was embracing science. Like that Baghdad was an escape for smart people and the educated. Like where math and algebra came from. The first medical documents and on and on and on. What has hurt the region for the past hundreds of years is the industrial revolution and those countries happened to have oil. Ever sense then there has been other countries mainly Britain, Russia, France, and the US who have sacrificed the progression of the region for their gain. Puppet governments, overthrowing democratically elected governments, making a state without any consideration for the people who already lived on the land. Honestly read study something before you open your mouth. The facts always outweigh your opinion.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #41 April 1, 2010 Quote Quote Quote the palestinians are merely trying to regain their own nation - the same as south african blacks (and aren't you being a bit ungrateful to the UN who voted israel into existence in the first place) Which nation are you referring to? palestine of course (waits for inevitable denial) Reality isn't a denial. Former British colonies aren't nations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #42 April 1, 2010 Quote Not because I am insulted but the amount of facts that are conveniently left out. Like when the Christians were killing people that said the world was not flat Islam was embracing science. Like that Baghdad was an escape for smart people and the educated. Like where math and algebra came from. The first medical documents and on and on and on. Yes, it's rather sad that they then stopped evolving after Europe left the dark/middle ages. The oil money should have been a catalyst to move forward. And there's little excuse for the continued subjugation of women. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #43 April 2, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote the palestinians are merely trying to regain their own nation - the same as south african blacks (and aren't you being a bit ungrateful to the UN who voted israel into existence in the first place) Which nation are you referring to? palestine of course (waits for inevitable denial) Reality isn't a denial. Former British colonies aren't nations. i think you'll find the US is a former british colony and is a nation - same for palestine (waits for next pathetic denial of everybodies human rights except israelis)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #44 April 2, 2010 Quote i think you'll find the US is a former british colony and is a nation - same for palestine (waits for next pathetic denial of everybodies human rights except israelis) The United States was 13 colonies and then it became a nation. Not the same story for Palestine, which never existed. If you had any leg to stand on, you could prove it, but instead you're left with nothing but lame bleating. Ask Rhys how to do it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #45 April 2, 2010 Quote Quote i think you'll find the US is a former british colony and is a nation - same for palestine (waits for next pathetic denial of everybodies human rights except israelis) The United States was 13 colonies and then it became a nation. Not the same story for Palestine, which never existed. If you had any leg to stand on, you could prove it, but instead you're left with nothing but lame bleating. Ask Rhys how to do it. you'll find palestine has existed for a lot longer than the US stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #46 April 2, 2010 Quote Yes, it's rather sad that they then stopped evolving after Europe left the dark/middle ages. The oil money should have been a catalyst to move forward. And there's little excuse for the continued subjugation of women. is this the europe that slaughtered its way round the world armed with bigger guns than everyone else? and there is little excuse for the richest nation in the world to imprison/subjugate so many blacks... QuoteWithin the span of a few decades, Jerusalem shifted from Roman to Persian rule and returned to Roman dominion once more. Following Sassanid Khosrau II's early seventh century push into Byzantine, advancing through Syria, Sassanid Generals Shahrbaraz and Shahin attacked the Byzantine-controlled city of Jerusalem (Persian: Dej Houdkh). They were aided by the Jews of Palestine, who had risen up against the Byzantines. In the Siege of Jerusalem (614), after 21 days of relentless siege warfare, Jerusalem was captured. The Byzantine chronicles relate that the Sassanid army and the Jews slaughtered tens of thousands of Christians in the city, an episode which has been the subject of much debate between historians. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalemstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #47 April 2, 2010 Quote Not the same story for Palestine, which never existed. Fill in the blank: "British mandate of ____________" Here's a hint Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #48 April 2, 2010 It's cute the way you and DD keep trying to dance, because you can't actually support the claim. Quote Back on March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper "Trouw" published an interview it had with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. This is what he had to say: "The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism. For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #49 April 2, 2010 so we've got the historical facts and you've got an uncredited single individual giving an opinion (pretty pathetic) stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #50 April 2, 2010 your historical facts talked about Roman and Persian rule. Never once did it refer to Palestinian rule. Your ability to avoid using actual arguments is the pathetic part. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
