dreamdancer 0 #1 March 17, 2010 have the israelis gone too far... QuoteBoth Obama and his predecessors have let worse insults from the Israelis slide in the past. What's different now? Journalist Mark Perry, writing on the Foreign Policy website, has at least one significant part of the answer. It seems that General "King David" Petraeus sent a briefing team to the Joint Chiefs of Staff back in January to give them the results of conversations U.S. military leaders had with officials throughout the Arab world. The consensus: Because of the administration's failure to stand up to the Israelis, "America was not only viewed as weak, but its military posture in the region was eroding." Perry claims (though he cites no specific sources) that this news "hit the White House like a bombshell." Huh? It's news that the U.S. image has suffered from looking like it's being pushed around by little Israel? The White House didn't know that before? Hard to imagine. I suspect that the real bombshell was that the Pentagon was expressing concern at the highest level. As Perry concludes, no DC lobby, not even the Israel lobby, "is as important, or as powerful, as the U.S. military." Perhaps this was the first time that such a level of anxiety had wafted across the Potomac from the Pentagon to the White House. Obama did imply, in his groundbreaking Cairo speech, that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was harmful to U.S. security interests. But he said it in such elliptical terms that no one took it very seriously -- apparently not even he himself, judging from his weak and waffling stances on the issue. Perhaps now, with alarm bells ringing in the JCS office, he will start to get serious about forcing the Israelis to do what's necessary to create the peace agreement that most of the world has long seen as inevitable. http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/03/16-1stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #2 March 17, 2010 US Israeli relations are at a all time low, its about time the US stood up to Israeli policy in regards to the settlements.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #3 March 17, 2010 QuoteUS Israeli relations are at a all time low, its about time the US stood up to Israeli policy in regards to the settlements. +1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #4 March 31, 2010 aipac look bust... QuoteAipac has persuaded more than three-quarters of the members of the US House of Representatives to sign a letter calling for an end to public criticism of Israel and urging the US to "reinforce" its relationship with the Jewish state. The open letter, which has been circulating among members of Congress for the last week, says that while it is recognised that there will be differences between the two countries, they should be kept behind closed doors. "Our view is that such differences are best resolved quietly, in trust and confidence," it says. The public differences, and revelations of Obama's private snubs of Netanyahu at the White House last week, have proved embarrassing to the Israeli leader at home, where he has been accused of undermining Israel's most important relationship. Signatories to Aipac's letter include Steny Hoyer, the Democrat majority leader, and Eric Cantor, the Republican whip. The wording is similar to an email Aipac sent out during Netanyahu's visit, describing Obama's criticisms of the Israeli government as "a matter of serious concern" and calling on the US administration "to take immediate steps to defuse the tension with the Jewish state". But while Aipac has for years influenced US policy on Israel, by targeting members of Congress who criticise the Jewish state, it may no longer have the same impact. Robert Malley, a former special assistant to President Bill Clinton for Arab-Israeli affairs, said the administration's decision to take a once routine disagreement over settlement construction in East Jerusalem and turn it in to a confrontation is a reflection of the determination in the White House. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/30/us-israel-lobby-pressure-obamastay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain1976 0 #5 March 31, 2010 When I read that a growing majority of American oppose Israel building settlements, it’s because they aren’t told the facts, just a bunch of rhetoric. The 1600 units they propose to build in Jerusalem that aren’t just for Jews, they are also for Arab and Palestinian families as well. That sounds pretty generous of Israel. Besides, that land doesn’t belong to the Palestinians, it belongs to Israel, just like Texas belongs to the United States. Actually, the Arabs and Palestinians have always shrugged the opportunity to be part of the political scene in Jerusalem. The 31 member “Democratic” City Council headed by the mayor allows for Arabs and Palestinians to be a part of all decisions in regards to building, but they refuse. Partly because they are fanatics with an extremely low literacy rate (low IQ’s in general), others are threatened and intimidated by their own people.You live more in the few minutes of skydiving than many people live in their lifetime Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #6 March 31, 2010 Quoteaipac look bust... *** "Our view is that such differences are best resolved quietly, in trust and confidence," it says. Sunlight is the best way to handle this. The above means "shut up and quit bringing attention to the fact that we ignore our agreements and prefer to continue to thumb our nose at your requests. You've put up with it for decades. Don't change now. Oh, and please don't forget to send the check." I don't have time to pursue this today unfortunately. But I think this topic would be best served to be addressed very publicly (internationally), openly and with as much information and documentation as possible. That's the only way we'll ever come to some sort of solution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #7 March 31, 2010 Quotelow IQ’s in general And there we have it. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #8 March 31, 2010 QuotePartly because they are fanatics with an extremely low literacy rate (low IQ’s in general), others are threatened and intimidated by their own people. are we talking jews or arabs here?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain1976 0 #9 March 31, 2010 QuoteQuotePartly because they are fanatics with an extremely low literacy rate (low IQ’s in general), others are threatened and intimidated by their own people. are we talking jews or arabs here? I don't think Israelis have low IQ's or literacyYou live more in the few minutes of skydiving than many people live in their lifetime Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #10 March 31, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuotePartly because they are fanatics with an extremely low literacy rate (low IQ’s in general), others are threatened and intimidated by their own people. are we talking jews or arabs here? I don't think Israelis have low IQ's or literacy so arabs are a bit 'substandard' as humans?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #11 March 31, 2010 "Let us be clear. All settlement activity is illegal anywhere in occupied territory and must be stopped." UN chief Ban Ki Moon http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArtVty.jhtml?sw=settlement&itemNo=1157660 UN Human Rights Council passes 3 resolutions condemning Israel: Another resolution called on Israel to stop building all settlements and move to withdrawing those now there, was passed by 45 votes with the EU supporting it and only the United States opposing. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArtVty.jhtml?sw=settlements&itemNo=1158708 No doubt you think Ban Ki Moon, the UN and the EU are also uneducated. tell me did yu support apartheid in South Africa also?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timmyfitz 0 #12 March 31, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotePartly because they are fanatics with an extremely low literacy rate (low IQ’s in general), others are threatened and intimidated by their own people. are we talking jews or arabs here? I don't think Israelis have low IQ's or literacy so arabs are a bit 'substandard' as humans? You certainly have a way of twisting someones comments. Just par for the course for you. Your post usually do give me a good laugh though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #13 March 31, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Partly because they are fanatics with an extremely low literacy rate (low IQ’s in general), others are threatened and intimidated by their own people. are we talking jews or arabs here? I don't think Israelis have low IQ's or literacy so arabs are a bit 'substandard' as humans? You certainly have a way of twisting someones comments. Just par for the course for you. Your post usually do give me a good laugh though. what IQ do you have - i want to work out whether you're jew or arab stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain1976 0 #14 March 31, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotePartly because they are fanatics with an extremely low literacy rate (low IQ’s in general), others are threatened and intimidated by their own people. are we talking jews or arabs here? I don't think Israelis have low IQ's or literacy so arabs are a bit 'substandard' as humans? Substandard? I love when people twist words to come up with their own meanings. Because people are undereducated, fanatical or just plain stupid fucks, it doesn't mean they are less human. However history has shows that "these" humans generally take more from society than they give.You live more in the few minutes of skydiving than many people live in their lifetime Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #15 March 31, 2010 Quote "Let us be clear. All settlement activity is illegal anywhere in occupied territory and must be stopped." UN chief Ban Ki Moon http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArtVty.jhtml?sw=settlement&itemNo=1157660 UN Human Rights Council passes 3 resolutions condemning Israel: Another resolution called on Israel to stop building all settlements and move to withdrawing those now there, was passed by 45 votes with the EU supporting it and only the United States opposing. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArtVty.jhtml?sw=settlements&itemNo=1158708...... Well that's one "sunlight" post, to be countered by a dozen name-calling posts. As usual, a thread on this topic will likely continue the emotional rhetoric death spiral. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #16 March 31, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Partly because they are fanatics with an extremely low literacy rate (low IQ’s in general), others are threatened and intimidated by their own people. are we talking jews or arabs here? I don't think Israelis have low IQ's or literacy so arabs are a bit 'substandard' as humans? Substandard? I love when people twist words to come up with their own meanings. Because people are undereducated, fanatical or just plain stupid fucks, it doesn't mean they are less human. However history has shows that "these" humans generally take more from society than they give. history has shown that many times groups of people are accused of 'taking more from society than they give', of having 'low intelligence' (do you suggest marking 'these' people in some way so we can identify them. perhaps putting them in a specific area away from high IQ people)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timmyfitz 0 #17 March 31, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuotePartly because they are fanatics with an extremely low literacy rate (low IQ’s in general), others are threatened and intimidated by their own people. are we talking jews or arabs here? I don't think Israelis have low IQ's or literacy so arabs are a bit 'substandard' as humans? Substandard? I love when people twist words to come up with their own meanings. Because people are undereducated, fanatical or just plain stupid fucks, it doesn't mean they are less human. However history has shows that "these" humans generally take more from society than they give. (do you suggest marking 'these' people in some way so we can identify them. perhaps putting them in a specific area away from high IQ people) I think it has already begun. Where do you live? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain1976 0 #18 March 31, 2010 (do you suggest marking 'these' people in some way so we can identify them. perhaps putting them in a specific area away from high IQ people) Great idea! Maybe we can make them wear a patch like the jews had to wear in Germany. How about a "Camel" patch?You live more in the few minutes of skydiving than many people live in their lifetime Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #19 March 31, 2010 What part of "low IQ's in general" do you think meant something other than, "Palestinians are stupid?" I'd bet dollars to donuts that the good Captain1976 has not met too many Arabs in the flesh. They are no more stupid than anyone else, including Jews. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain1976 0 #20 March 31, 2010 QuoteWhat part of "low IQ's in general" do you think meant something other than, "Palestinians are stupid?" I'd bet dollars to donuts that the good Captain1976 has not met too many Arabs in the flesh. They are no more stupid than anyone else, including Jews. I have quite a few Arab friends. We joke around a lot since they aren't fanatics.You live more in the few minutes of skydiving than many people live in their lifetime Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #21 March 31, 2010 Quote (do you suggest marking 'these' people in some way so we can identify them. perhaps putting them in a specific area away from high IQ people) Great idea! Maybe we can make them wear a patch like the jews had to wear in Germany. How about a "Camel" patch?good thinking batman (you round them up - i'll order the ovens)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #22 March 31, 2010 Do you let them know that you think they have low IQ's? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #23 March 31, 2010 Quote Do you let them know that you think they have low IQ's? he's too clever to do that stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain1976 0 #24 March 31, 2010 QuoteDo you let them know that you think they have low IQ's? Their IQ's are normal. They were raised in American and were brought up properly by literate parents.You live more in the few minutes of skydiving than many people live in their lifetime Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #25 March 31, 2010 IQ is a measure of intelligence, not education. By saying they have low IQ's you are saying they they are inately less smart. If you want to say that they are illiterate or uneducated, then you should say so. Otherwise you come off as an uneducated bigot with a low IQ. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
