Church punishes gay people's children

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I agree with the Church/School. Allowing children known to be living in a household which goes against the teachings of what is morally right, sends a wrong message to the other kids and their families.

First, let them purge every solitary priest or Brother who sexually abused children, or enabled it by aiding the cover-up. (Probably includes the big Guy, too).

Next, let them pay compensation to every single victim of said sexual abuse, without hiding behind long-expired statutes of limitations, as they have done.

Next, let them purge every single nun, priest, brother, etc. who gleefully was physically violent with children they were "teaching" or supervising, in the name of ...uh... oh, yeah - "discipline".

Next, let them drop the rule commanding celibacy for priests, nuns and brothers, which has manifested itself in the de facto recruiting of some of the most emotionally and psycho-sexually crippled people into those vocations, a disproportionate sampling of whom are, themselves, gay.

When they do that, they can have the moral foundation to presume to "teach what is morally right" and dictate how the laity lives in the privacy of their own homes. Until then, they can eat shit.


Pope's Brother in German Catholic Church Abuse Scandal


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Do you advocate that the same be done for secular schools when abuses occur?

Mike
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Do you advocate that the same be done for secular schools when abuses occur?

Leaving aside the fact that the issues mentioned either don't exist or exist to a much lesser extent in secular schools... Do you not??

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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I agree with the Church/School. Allowing children known to be living in a household which goes against the teachings of what is morally right, sends a wrong message to the other kids and their families.

I really hope you live long enough to see how most of your Christian beliefs will end up on the losing side of civilized history. Just like all The previous positions held by conservative Christians on woman's rights, slavery, interracial marriage, segregation, and a host of other positions, all of which were claimed to be based on Christian values and what is morally right.

Get on the winning side for once.

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http://www.shjsnyc.org/faculty.html Here's a page with their contact information.

Thanks for the site info, I sent them a letter of support

Good for you. Now go see what the rest of the other sinless parents are up to.

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>Now go see what the rest of the other sinless parents are up to.

If they're white heterosexuals - that's invasion of privacy!

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I agree with the Church/School. Allowing children known to be living in a household which goes against the teachings of what is morally right, sends a wrong message to the other kids and their families.

First, let them purge every solitary priest or Brother who sexually abused children, or enabled it by aiding the cover-up. (Probably includes the big Guy, too).

Next, let them pay compensation to every single victim of said sexual abuse, without hiding behind long-expired statutes of limitations, as they have done.

Next, let them purge every single nun, priest, brother, etc. who gleefully was physically violent with children they were "teaching" or supervising, in the name of ...uh... oh, yeah - "discipline".

Next, let them drop the rule commanding celibacy for priests, nuns and brothers, which has manifested itself in the de facto recruiting of some of the most emotionally and psycho-sexually crippled people into those vocations, a disproportionate sampling of whom are, themselves, gay.

When they do that, they can have the moral foundation to presume to "teach what is morally right" and dictate how the laity lives in the privacy of their own homes. Until then, they can eat shit.


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The kid's not gay so why punish the child? ... they don't even appear to punish their own clergy for being gay (or a lo worse) - seems to be that they are being rather hypocritical - for a change

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A totally different issue

BS (writ' VERY BIG)

How so? It's all about 'suposed' morality -

This kid is being victimised for something that is so far beyond it's control and that gets support here - fan-blooddy-tastic How can anyone in their right mind support an organisation like this?

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And the gay couple were surprised that there was pushback from a Catholic school why? Like it or not, it is their playground and they can invite who they want.

Exactly.

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Do you advocate that the same be done for secular schools when abuses occur?

Leaving aside the fact that the issues mentioned either don't exist or exist to a much lesser extent in secular schools... Do you not??

I don't recall making that statement - care to show where I did?

Mike
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Do you advocate that the same be done for secular schools when abuses occur?

Leaving aside the fact that the issues mentioned either don't exist or exist to a much lesser extent in secular schools... Do you not??

I don't recall making that statement - care to show where I did?

I copied and pasted directly from your post. It's about 10 up from this one.

Memory problems much?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Do you advocate that the same be done for secular schools when abuses occur?

Leaving aside the fact that the issues mentioned either don't exist or exist to a much lesser extent in secular schools... Do you not??

I don't recall making that statement - care to show where I did?

I copied and pasted directly from your post. It's about 10 up from this one.

Memory problems much?

I'll type slowly so you can keep up, since you seem to have comprehension problems:

Show.....where.....I.....made.....any.....statement.....of.....support.....or.....non-support.....for.....religious.....or.....secular.....schools.....in.....my.....response.....to.....Andy akarunway.

Hope that helped clear things up for you.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Do you advocate that the same be done for secular schools when abuses occur?

Leaving aside the fact that the issues mentioned either don't exist or exist to a much lesser extent in secular schools... Do you not??

I don't recall making that statement - care to show where I did?

I copied and pasted directly from your post. It's about 10 up from this one.

Memory problems much?

I'll type slowly so you can keep up, since you seem to have comprehension problems:

Show.....where.....I.....made.....any.....statement.....of.....support.....or.....non-support.....for.....religious.....or.....secular.....schools.....in.....my.....response.....to.....Andy.

Hope that helped clear things up for you.

Why do I need to do that? I haven't remotely suggested that you did such a thing. You see the squiggly punctuation mark at the end of my post - looks like this --> ?

That's called a question mark. It meens that I'm not making a statement, but that I'm asking a... y'know what - the clue's in the name.




BTW, interesting thing here is that I'm simply asking you the exact same thing that you asked Andy, but you're getting all confrontational and defensive about it. Why on earth is that?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Guys, can we please stay on topic? Just a friendly request.

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In their 2002 survey, the AAUW reported that, of students who had been harassed, 38% were harassed by teachers or other school employees. One survey, conducted with psychology students, reports that 10% had sexual interactions with their educators; in turn, 13% of educators reported sexual interaction with their students.[7] In a survey of high school students, 14% reported that they had engaged in sexual intercourse with a teacher. (Wishnietsky, 1991) In a national survey conducted for the American Association of University Women Educational Foundation in 2000 found that roughly 290,000 students experienced some sort of physical sexual abuse by a public school employee between 1991 and 2000. And a major 2004 study commissioned by the U.S. Department of Education found that nearly 10 percent of U.S. public school students reported having been targeted with sexual attention by school employees.

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Consider the statistics: In accordance with a requirement of President Bush’s No Child Left Behind Act, in 2002 the Department of Education carried out a study of sexual abuse in the school system.

Hofstra University researcher Charol Shakeshaft looked into the problem, and the first thing that came to her mind when Education Week reported on the study were the daily headlines about the Catholic Church.

“[T]hink the Catholic Church has a problem?” she said. “The physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests.”

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"The best estimate is that 15% of students will be sexually abused by a member of the school staff during their school career." (Shakeshaft, Ph.D., Hofstra University: Testimony, NYS Senate Commitee On Children & Families, 2/12/98)

"Criminal convictions of Ontario teachers in 1996-97 involves enoughvictims to fill an entire classroom." (The Kingston Whig-Standard, Ontario,9/13/97, p.1)

"Survey of high school graduates: 17.7% of males and 82.2% of females reported sexual harassment by faculty or staff during their schoolcareers. 13.5% of those surveyed said they had engaged in sexual intercourse with a teacher." (Wishnietsky, "Reported and UnreportedTeacher-Student Sexual Harassment", Journal of Ed Research, Vol. 3, 1991, pp.164-69)

"Many abusers are in positions of power or trust in relation to their victims, which makes it easier to overcome a child's resistance." (Finkelhor, "Child Sexual Abuse: New Theory & Research", '84)

"When there is denial (including institutional denial), disbelief or placement of blame on the victim, recovery is more difficult." (Ken Singer, LCSW, SESAME Newsletter, Fall, '97, p.5)

http://sexualharassmentsupport.org/speakupse/category/sexual-harassment-in-education/

Mike
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Guys, can we please stay on topic? Just a friendly request.

Sorry, Andy.

Mike
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When they do that, they can have the moral foundation to presume to "teach what is morally right" and dictate how the laity lives in the privacy of their own homes. Until then, they can eat shit.

I'd add that they need to treat any other member of their parish who commits an act deemed "immoral" the same way. Adultery... you're out. Pre-marital sex.... you're out too. Blasphemy... see ya. Shrimp coacktail for lunch.... out ya go.

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Shrimp cocktail for lunch.... out ya go.

Wrong club. (Remember? - the OT was, uh, repealed by the NT.) You meant "beer during Lent".

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Why should a privately run day care, run by a religious organization, be forced to conform to something that is specifically forbidden by their faith?

Do you believe that the government should step in an regulate the church run day care?

Personally I would have no issue with that kid being at my son's day care, especially since its a secular run day care.

Why does the church allow many hundreds of murderers to be good Catholics???

Seems to me that murder is one of the BIG TEN..... not one of the measly Levitican Laws.. ( which does not even mention that sort of "abomination" with respect to women)

What do you think the Good Fellas confess to every week.... and get absolution with a few Hail Mary's etc.

Whackin people for Christ Let the usual hypocrisy begin

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Do you believe that the government should step in an regulate the church run day care?

Personally, I think a private school can and should do exactly what it wants to. I plan putting my oldest daughter in Waldorf this fall, because I agree with what they teach there. And they make it very clear what they do and do not teach, and what is acceptable behavior for both children and parents.

Likewise, I think that people that are utterly homophobic should have a place that they can send their kids to school and be assured that they are not being tainted by the sin of those other kids, who are doomed to an afterlife of Hell because of what their parents do in their bedroom.

I am utterly amazed that a huge organization (probably the largest in the world) is making a statement that the sins of the mother are cause for social outcasting of the children. I am equally amazed that they would do exactly the opposite of what Christ himself taught.

So, I disagree with their moral views, so what? Well, at the very least, I think they need to make it very clear, maybe put a big sign on the front of the school, about what is acceptable behavior of the parents. Things like, if you're gay, don't bother to bring your little demon children here. Even if they are not gay. We're pretty sure they'll grow up that way, anyhow.

Using the word of god as a pretense of homophobia, racism or persecution is one of religion's most bitter tenets.

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>As much as I disagree with the church on their tossing the kids, it is within
> their rights as a private institution to set their own standards for
>attendence at their school.

True. They could also exclude people whose parents were black, or who have a mixed-race marriage (which is abhorrent to God per the state of Virginia, after all.) They could exclude kids with genetic defects or whose parents both work (bad family situation.) Up to them. Also up to the people who live near there as to whether or not to send their kids there, or picket them, or delve deeply into the activities of the priests and brothers there to make sure there are no more cases of pedophilia.

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Why should a privately run day care, run by a religious organization, be forced to conform to something that is specifically forbidden by their faith?

Do you believe that the government should step in an regulate the church run day care?

Personally I would have no issue with that kid being at my son's day care, especially since its a secular run day care.

Why does the church allow many hundreds of murderers to be good Catholics???

Seems to me that murder is one of the BIG TEN..... not one of the measly Levitican Laws.. ( which does not even mention that sort of "abomination" with respect to women)

What do you think the Good Fellas confess to every week.... and get absolution with a few Hail Mary's etc.

Whackin people for Christ Let the usual hypocrisy begin

Wow - who knew so many abortion doctors were Catholic?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Why should a privately run day care, run by a religious organization, be forced to conform to something that is specifically forbidden by their faith?

Do you believe that the government should step in an regulate the church run day care?

Personally I would have no issue with that kid being at my son's day care, especially since its a secular run day care.

Why does the church allow many hundreds of murderers to be good Catholics???

Seems to me that murder is one of the BIG TEN..... not one of the measly Levitican Laws.. ( which does not even mention that sort of "abomination" with respect to women)

What do you think the Good Fellas confess to every week.... and get absolution with a few Hail Mary's etc.

Whackin people for Christ Let the usual hypocrisy begin

Wow - who knew so many abortion doctors were Catholic?

I expect nothing less from you Mikee...sad really...

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Why should a privately run day care, run by a religious organization, be forced to conform to something that is specifically forbidden by their faith?

Do you believe that the government should step in an regulate the church run day care?

Personally I would have no issue with that kid being at my son's day care, especially since its a secular run day care.

Why does the church allow many hundreds of murderers to be good Catholics???

Seems to me that murder is one of the BIG TEN..... not one of the measly Levitican Laws.. ( which does not even mention that sort of "abomination" with respect to women)

What do you think the Good Fellas confess to every week.... and get absolution with a few Hail Mary's etc.

Whackin people for Christ Let the usual hypocrisy begin

Wow - who knew so many abortion doctors were Catholic?

I expect nothing less from you Mikee...sad really...

Unfortunately, we've learned not to expect anything more from you.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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They should go to my parents' Catholic church in Baltimore. The priest who runs it is no renegade, but he does take pride in taking people into his parish who were run out of other churches due to bigotry or other forms of what James Joyce would have called "cold-hearted piety."

If I lived closer to Baltimore I would definitely be attending church more regularly than I do now. Not that my local church is bad, but there is something really special about my parents' church.

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