Church punishes gay people's children

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From the "... and your kids, too!" file, a lesbian couple's children were expelled from a Catholic school here in Boulder, Colorado, because their parents are gay. The archdiocese in Denver supported the decision.

This begs some other questions: are gay aunts and uncles OK? What if your dog is seen humping a dog of the same sex?

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/16/lesbian-parents-of-expelled-kids-defend-their-catholic-faith/?hpt=T2

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A lesbian couple whose children were expelled from a Catholic school in Boulder, Colorado, expressed their dismay Monday, but held steadfast to their faith.

In a written statement, the women, who chose not to reveal their identities, described themselves as normal, hard-working people with a nice house and a dog - and as Catholics.

"When we were allowed to have our children baptized ... we made a promise
to raise our children in the Catholic faith," they said. "We now feel like our attempts at fulfilling this promise are being undermined by the Church itself.

"Perhaps our biggest objection to the school's decision is that we think that it is wrong to punish a child for who the child's parents are. We do not think that this reflects what Jesus would have done."

The Archdiocese of Denver, Colorado, recently defended its decision not to re-enroll the couple's two children in the Sacred Heart of Jesus School next year because their parents are lesbians.

"The Church does not claim that people with a homosexual orientation are 'bad,' or that their children are less loved by God," Archbishop Charles J. Chaput wrote in an article published in the Denver Catholic Register.

"Quite the opposite. But what the Church does teach is that sexual intimacy by anyone outside marriage is wrong; that marriage is a sacramental covenant; and that marriage can only occur between a man and a woman. These beliefs are central to a Catholic understanding of human nature, family and happiness, and the organization of society. The Church cannot change these teachings because, in the faith of Catholics, they are the teachings of Jesus Christ."

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[jakee 1,596]

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"The Church does not claim that people with a homosexual orientation are 'bad,' or that their children are less loved by God," Archbishop Charles J. Chaput wrote in an article published in the Denver Catholic Register.

"Quite the opposite. But what the Church does teach is that sexual intimacy by anyone outside marriage is wrong; that marriage is a sacramental covenant; and that marriage can only occur between a man and a woman. These beliefs are central to a Catholic understanding of human nature, family and happiness, and the organization of society. The Church cannot change these teachings because, in the faith of Catholics, they are the teachings of Jesus Christ."

Yeah, that really doesn't seem to have anything to do with chucking the kids, does it?

I wonder if they also throw out anyone from a single parent family?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Teigen 0]

I thought the declaration of independence states that "ALL men are created equal" I can't fucking believe 70% of the people in the US was against same sex marriage! Its preposterous!

Like during the superbowl. They aired a friggin anti-abortion commercial instead of the gay dating site commercial! How many NFL players do you think have had to pay for abortions? lol its ridiculous!

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And the gay couple were surprised that there was pushback from a Catholic school why? Like it or not, it is their playground and they can invite who they want.

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I thought the declaration of independence states that "ALL men are created equal" I can't fucking believe 70% of the people in the US was against same sex marriage! Its preposterous!

Like during the superbowl. They aired a friggin anti-abortion commercial instead of the gay dating site commercial! How many NFL players do you think have had to pay for abortions? lol its ridiculous!

Yeah, the Declaration says that but it's wrong. All men are not created equal but they are created with equal rights.
As much as I disagree with the church on their tossing the kids, it is within their rights as a private institution to set their own standards for attendence at their school. It is also the right of those 70% to be against gay marriage, the other 30% to not be against it, and for anybody to change their mind on the matter. It is also your right to say it's ridiculous, but that doesn't mean you are right. It is their right to say your opinion is ridiculous, but it doesn't mean they are right.

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[AggieDave 6]

Why should a privately run day care, run by a religious organization, be forced to conform to something that is specifically forbidden by their faith?

Do you believe that the government should step in an regulate the church run day care?

Personally I would have no issue with that kid being at my son's day care, especially since its a secular run day care.

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[Andy9o8 2]

Apparently the hypocrisy of punishing innocent children of gay laity while enabling decades of serial criminal assault on children by gay clergy is lost on these folks.

What would Jesus do? Not something like this, that's for sure.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100314/ap_on_re_eu/eu_church_abuse

[jakee 1,596]

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Why should a privately run day care, run by a religious organization, be forced to conform

I didn't see anyone on this thread demanding that they be forced to conform to anything. Seems to me he was just highlighting the absurdity of the faith based decision making process.

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to something that is specifically forbidden by their faith?

Looking after the child of a gay person is forbidden?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Belgian_Draft 0]

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Why should a privately run day care, run by a religious organization, be forced to conform

I didn't see anyone on this thread demanding that they be forced to conform to anything. Seems to me he was just highlighting the absurdity of the faith based decision making process.

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to something that is specifically forbidden by their faith?

Looking after the child of a gay person is forbidden?

They were not asked to raise the child, only to educate them. As absurd as their reasoning is to you, it is just as absurd to them for two people of the same sex to want to marry. To them, accepting the children of a gay couple as students would be to endorse the couples' lifestyle, which happens to be against the teachings of their faith.

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Why should a privately run day care, run by a religious organization, be forced to conform to something that is specifically forbidden by their faith?

Do you believe that the government should step in an regulate the church run day care?

Personally I would have no issue with that kid being at my son's day care, especially since its a secular run day care.

In a case like this a religious organization has no more importance in this country than any other privately run enterprise. These women seem more Christlike than than the church leaders so they probably won't take it to court but it would be an easy win.

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[Andy9o8 2]

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These women seem more Christlike than than the church leaders

Exactly; that's the bottom line right there.
Being cruelly immoral in the name of morality is abhorrent.

>>Oh, but they're a private organization...etc.

Irrelevant to the point of morality. Hiding behind legalities as a means to this end is merely a diversion.

[captain1976 0]

I agree with the Church/School. Allowing children known to be living in a household which goes against the teachings of what is morally right, sends a wrong message to the other kids and their families.

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Why should a privately run day care, run by a religious organization, be forced to conform to something that is specifically forbidden by their faith?

Do you believe that the government should step in an regulate the church run day care?

Personally I would have no issue with that kid being at my son's day care, especially since its a secular run day care.

I saw something a while ago about one of the unions trying to force babysitters to join in Michigan - SEIU, I think.

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[Andy9o8 2]

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I agree with the Church/School. Allowing children known to be living in a household which goes against the teachings of what is morally right, sends a wrong message to the other kids and their families.

First, let them purge every solitary priest or Brother who sexually abused children, or enabled it by aiding the cover-up. (Probably includes the big Guy, too).

Next, let them pay compensation to every single victim of said sexual abuse, without hiding behind long-expired statutes of limitations, as they have done.

Next, let them purge every single nun, priest, brother, etc. who gleefully was physically violent with children they were "teaching" or supervising, in the name of ...uh... oh, yeah - "discipline".

Next, let them drop the rule commanding celibacy for priests, nuns and brothers, which has manifested itself in the de facto recruiting of some of the most emotionally and psycho-sexually crippled people into those vocations, a disproportionate sampling of whom are, themselves, gay.

When they do that, they can have the moral foundation to presume to "teach what is morally right" and dictate how the laity lives in the privacy of their own homes. Until then, they can eat shit.


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I agree with the Church/School. Allowing children known to be living in a household which goes against the teachings of what is morally right, sends a wrong message to the other kids and their families.

What about divorced parents? Should their kids get kicked out?

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[Andy9o8 2]

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I agree with the Church/School. Allowing children known to be living in a household which goes against the teachings of what is morally right, sends a wrong message to the other kids and their families.

What about divorced parents? Should their kids get kicked out?

And while we're on it: what about all the non-gay parents who commit adultery? Their kids, too?

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I agree with the Church/School. Allowing children known to be living in a household which goes against the teachings of what is morally right, sends a wrong message to the other kids and their families.

Oh please. There's nothing Christian about a private Catholic school. It's the antithesis of what Christ was about. These people are paying the bucks to send their kids here so that they can get into the nicer private high schools so they can get into Yale and snort coke off of each other's dicks just like the parents did growing up.

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I agree with the Church/School. Allowing children known to be living in a household which goes against the teachings of what is morally right, sends a wrong message to the other kids and their families.

Oh please. There's nothing Christian about a private Catholic school. It's the antithesis of what Christ was about. These people are paying the bucks to send their kids here so that they can get into the nicer private high schools so they can get into Yale and snort coke off of each other's dicks just like the parents did growing up.

I know parents that send their kids to a religous school even though they are non-believers because they have no faith in the public school system.

Personally I can not see sending my kid to a school that is going to indoctrinate him into a belief system I do not agree with.

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I agree with the Church/School. Allowing children known to be living in a household which goes against the teachings of what is morally right, sends a wrong message to the other kids and their families.

First, let them purge every solitary priest or Brother who sexually abused children, or enabled it by aiding the cover-up. (Probably includes the big Guy, too).

Next, let them pay compensation to every single victim of said sexual abuse, without hiding behind long-expired statutes of limitations, as they have done.

Next, let them purge every single nun, priest, brother, etc. who gleefully was physically violent with children they were "teaching" or supervising, in the name of ...uh... oh, yeah - "discipline".

Next, let them drop the rule commanding celibacy for priests, nuns and brothers, which has manifested itself in the de facto recruiting of some of the most emotionally and psycho-sexually crippled people into those vocations, a disproportionate sampling of whom are, themselves, gay.

When they do that, they can have the moral foundation to presume to "teach what is morally right" and dictate how the laity lives in the privacy of their own homes. Until then, they can eat shit.


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A totally different issue

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[jakee 1,596]

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I agree with the Church/School. Allowing children known to be living in a household which goes against the teachings of what is morally right, sends a wrong message to the other kids and their families.

Sends what message to the kids? They don't have any control over who they live with.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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I agree with the Church/School. Allowing children known to be living in a household which goes against the teachings of what is morally right, sends a wrong message to the other kids and their families.

First, let them purge every solitary priest or Brother who sexually abused children, or enabled it by aiding the cover-up. (Probably includes the big Guy, too).

Next, let them pay compensation to every single victim of said sexual abuse, without hiding behind long-expired statutes of limitations, as they have done.

Next, let them purge every single nun, priest, brother, etc. who gleefully was physically violent with children they were "teaching" or supervising, in the name of ...uh... oh, yeah - "discipline".

Next, let them drop the rule commanding celibacy for priests, nuns and brothers, which has manifested itself in the de facto recruiting of some of the most emotionally and psycho-sexually crippled people into those vocations, a disproportionate sampling of whom are, themselves, gay.

When they do that, they can have the moral foundation to presume to "teach what is morally right" and dictate how the laity lives in the privacy of their own homes. Until then, they can eat shit.


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A totally different issue

I think what he's saying is John 8:7.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[billvon 3,119]

>As much as I disagree with the church on their tossing the kids, it is within
> their rights as a private institution to set their own standards for
>attendence at their school.

True. They could also exclude people whose parents were black, or who have a mixed-race marriage (which is abhorrent to God per the state of Virginia, after all.) They could exclude kids with genetic defects or whose parents both work (bad family situation.) Up to them. Also up to the people who live near there as to whether or not to send their kids there, or picket them, or delve deeply into the activities of the priests and brothers there to make sure there are no more cases of pedophilia.

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I agree with the Church/School. Allowing children known to be living in a household which goes against the teachings of what is morally right, sends a wrong message to the other kids and their families.

First, let them purge every solitary priest or Brother who sexually abused children, or enabled it by aiding the cover-up. (Probably includes the big Guy, too).

Next, let them pay compensation to every single victim of said sexual abuse, without hiding behind long-expired statutes of limitations, as they have done.

Next, let them purge every single nun, priest, brother, etc. who gleefully was physically violent with children they were "teaching" or supervising, in the name of ...uh... oh, yeah - "discipline".

Next, let them drop the rule commanding celibacy for priests, nuns and brothers, which has manifested itself in the de facto recruiting of some of the most emotionally and psycho-sexually crippled people into those vocations, a disproportionate sampling of whom are, themselves, gay.

When they do that, they can have the moral foundation to presume to "teach what is morally right" and dictate how the laity lives in the privacy of their own homes. Until then, they can eat shit.


Pope's Brother in German Catholic Church Abuse Scandal


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A totally different issue

Think so? something about Jesus and casting stones.....

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http://www.shjsnyc.org/faculty.html Here's a page with their contact information.

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http://www.shjsnyc.org/faculty.html Here's a page with their contact information.

Thanks for the site info, I sent them a letter of support

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