dreamdancer 0 #1 March 11, 2010 i think she knew... QuoteAmerican officials have reacted with dismay to the charge by the former head of MI5 that US authorities deliberately concealed mistreatment of terror suspects from their British colleagues. The unexpected public statement by Dame Eliza Manningham-Buller is said to have significantly added to the strains in the relationship between the two countries on intelligence matters. During a lecture given at a meeting in the House of Lords, Dame Eliza said the British government had made an official complaint to Washington over the abuse of detainees. But no futher details have emerged on either side of the Atlantic of when this complaint was made, or what form it took. In her speech, highly critical of the US's conduct during the war on terror, the former secret service chief implied that the leadership in Washington was inspired by watching the TV espionage thriller 24. She said: "Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld certainly watched 24". Dame Eliza said: "The Americans were very keen that people like us did not discover what they were doing." She insisted that she had been unaware of what was going on until her retirement in 2007. One of her retrospective discoveries was the interrogation method used on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. When she asked her subordinates why the senior al-Qa'ida member was offering so much information, they told her he was "very proud of his achievements when questioned". She added: "It wasn't actually until after I retired that I read that he had been water-boarded 160 times." http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/24-a-diplomatic-row-and-a-spy-chiefs-lecture-on-torture-1919444.htmlstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #2 March 11, 2010 Our methods may differ but we#re on the same side. Don't forget that; I don't agree with waterboarding but lets not forget that the enemy is relentless and determined. In any war mistakes are made.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #3 March 11, 2010 i'm on the side that doesn't do torture.stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #4 March 11, 2010 Quotei'm on the side that doesn't do torture. Not true, you keep starting all these threads.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #5 March 11, 2010 Quote Quote i'm on the side that doesn't do torture. Not true, you keep starting all these threads. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbwing 0 #6 March 11, 2010 HEEEYYYOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! *nice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #7 March 11, 2010 Quote Quote i'm on the side that doesn't do torture. Not true, you keep starting all these threads. LOLWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #8 March 11, 2010 Quote Quote i'm on the side that doesn't do torture. Not true, you keep starting all these threads. I'm not giving you the satisfaction of laughing at that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #9 March 11, 2010 Quotei'm on the side that doesn't do torture. England's history in dealing with the IRA says quite the contrary. Or your colonies in the post WW2 transitions. If the UK found Jesus and is now a nice, upstanding nation, it is a rather recent event in the past 10 or 20 years at best. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #10 March 11, 2010 QuoteQuotei'm on the side that doesn't do torture. England's history in dealing with the IRA says quite the contrary. Or your colonies in the post WW2 transitions. If the UK found Jesus and is now a nice, upstanding nation, it is a rather recent event in the past 10 or 20 years at best. like i said i don't believe her. she's as guilty as sin. i agree with you about the ira and the colonies. also don't forget about the invention of concentration camps. meanwhile, i as an individual am on the side of those who don't torture - whoever they are in whatever country they happen to be.stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #11 March 11, 2010 please stop "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #12 March 11, 2010 QuoteQuotei'm on the side that doesn't do torture. England's history in dealing with the IRA says quite the contrary. Or your colonies in the post WW2 transitions. If the UK found Jesus and is now a nice, upstanding nation, it is a rather recent event in the past 10 or 20 years at best. Countries don't torture, people do. One can not hold a country responsible for the failings of a few of it's citizens. That would be the worst kind of generalisation, don't you think? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #13 March 12, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuotei'm on the side that doesn't do torture. England's history in dealing with the IRA says quite the contrary. Or your colonies in the post WW2 transitions. If the UK found Jesus and is now a nice, upstanding nation, it is a rather recent event in the past 10 or 20 years at best. Countries don't torture, people do. One can not hold a country responsible for the failings of a few of it's citizens. That would be the worst kind of generalisation, don't you think? Yeah, but the fucking Yanks just can't help it.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #14 March 12, 2010 A country of 260 Million, just from these forums you know damn well that not all Americans support or condone torture and many are against it. So why lump all 260 Million in together? It makes you sound like Bush when he bangs on about the 'good guys verses the bad guys' making balck and white statements that are over simplistic. Indeed there is a certain irony in the fact that you've just countered an arguement about 'the worst kind of generalisation' with the worst kind of generalisation.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #15 March 12, 2010 QuoteIndeed there is a certain irony... Yes. Now that you mention it there is just a smidgeon of irony in my post. Quotein the fact that you've just countered an arguement about 'the worst kind of generalisation' with the worst kind of generalisation. Well I never - by Jove, sir, you're right. I wonder why I didn't recognise that when I posted it?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #16 March 12, 2010 QuoteQuoteIndeed there is a certain irony... Yes. Now that you mention it there is just a smidgeon of irony in my post. Well, DD specified later that he defined his group not as Britains (or some other national body), but rather as an issue group. I do know quite certainly that the Yanks are the only ones making generalizations about and citizens of a given country based on the actions of its leadership. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #17 March 13, 2010 I wonderWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #18 March 14, 2010 Quote I wonder Please don't tell me you're actually going to need me to do this or this? Bloody arabs never could take a joke.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #19 March 14, 2010 For Gods sake don't try stand upWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
