Pelosi: we have to pass the health care bill so that you can find out what is in it

[StreetScooby 5]

Is this real?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To

We are all engines of karma

[dks13827 3]

yes !! transparency !!!!!

[ridestrong 1]

...and it has to be passed right now, right now, right now, before its too late.

It's kinda like finding a paper bag on fire and trying to stomp it out, only to find out there was shit inside.

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The president thinks that if he gives his 49th speech on health care, that it will finally edumacate everyone and they will agree that all the opposition to it is based on evil-doers spreading lies. The first 48 speeches weren't sufficient, one more will do the trick.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[chutem 0]

I've got no love for Pelosi, but I'd like to hear the 30 seconds prior to and after this statement.

James

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Me too. Pelosi's statement seems stupid, but what is the context? It may be less stupid in the context she said it.

Matt

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[kallend 2,148]

Yes, but the final seven words of the sentence, which gave it context were snipped. Another right wing hatchet job.

“We have to do this in partnership, and I wanted to bring up to date on where we see it from here. The final health care legislation that will soon be passed by Congress will deliver successful reform at the local level. It will offer paid for investments that will improve health care services and coverage for millions more Americans. It will make significant investments in innovation, prevention, wellness and offer robust support for public health infrastructure. It will dramatically expand investments into community health centers. That means a dramatic expansion in the number of patients community health centers can see and ultimately healthier communities. Our bill will significantly reduce uncompensated care for hospitals.

“You’ve heard about the controversies within the bill, the process about the bill, one or the other. But I don’t know if you have heard that it is legislation for the future, not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America, where preventive care is not something that you have to pay a deductible for or out of pocket. Prevention, prevention, prevention—it’s about diet, not diabetes. It’s going to be very, very exciting.

“But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it away from the fog of the controversy. Furthermore, we believe that health care reform, again I said at the beginning of my remarks, that we sent the three pillars that the President’s economic stabilization and job creation initiatives were education and innovation—innovation begins in the classroom—clean energy and climate, addressing the climate issues in an innovative way to keep us number one and competitive in the world with the new technology, and the third, first among equals I may say, is health care, health insurance reform. Health insurance reform is about jobs. This legislation alone will create 4 million jobs, about 400,000 jobs very soon."

Maybe the same honorable conservatives who creatively edited the ACORN video?

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[rhaig 0]

so with context, I read that as "we'll have to pass it and experience it's outcome before we can pass judgement on it"

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so with context, I read that as "we'll have to pass it and experience it's outcome before we can pass judgement on it"

Judging the success of things based on how they turn out is called "outcomes assessment" and is an effective tool.

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so with context, I read that as "we'll have to pass it and experience it's outcome before we can pass judgement on it"

Judging the success of things based on how they turn out is called "outcomes assessment" and is an effective tool.

Maybe, when used on something that is not the size of 1/6th of the US economy

That is what pilot test programs are for

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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so with context, I read that as "we'll have to pass it and experience it's outcome before we can pass judgement on it"

Judging the success of things based on how they turn out is called "outcomes assessment" and is an effective tool.

I don't have to stick my hand in a pile of shit to know it will smell bad. Common sense often renders outcome assessment unnecessary.

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[StreetScooby 5]

Interesting video of Senator Byrd discussing reconciliation and Bill Clinton's health care bill.


http://www.breitbart.tv/uncovered-shocker-sen-byrd-single-handedly-stopped-president-clinton-from-using-reconciliation/

Seems very applicable today, also.

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[kallend 2,148]

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so with context, I read that as "we'll have to pass it and experience it's outcome before we can pass judgement on it"

Judging the success of things based on how they turn out is called "outcomes assessment" and is an effective tool.

Maybe, when used on something that is not the size of 1/6th of the US economy

That is what pilot test programs are for

So you don't think big programs should be evaluated after they are implemented to see how well they work? No wonder we have a huge deficit.

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That is what pilot test programs are for

So you don't think big programs should be evaluated after they are implemented to see how well they work? No wonder we have a huge deficit.

OOH, ooh, I want to play: .....

So you think incredibly controversial and expensive programs should all just be cut in and assessed after the fact without smaller scale testing?

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[kallend 2,148]

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That is what pilot test programs are for

So you don't think big programs should be evaluated after they are implemented to see how well they work? No wonder we have a huge deficit.

OOH, ooh, I want to play: .....

So you think incredibly controversial and expensive programs should all just be cut in and assessed after the fact without smaller scale testing?

Hawaii

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That is what pilot test programs are for

So you don't think big programs should be evaluated after they are implemented to see how well they work? No wonder we have a huge deficit.

OOH, ooh, I want to play: .....

So you think incredibly controversial and expensive programs should all just be cut in and assessed after the fact without smaller scale testing?

Hawaii

You must mean this Hawaii..

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20100209/NEWS01/2090362/Hawaii-will-delay-sending-out-tax-refunds-to-balance-budget

I can see it's working well for them

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so with context, I read that as "we'll have to pass it and experience it's outcome before we can pass judgement on it"

Judging the success of things based on how they turn out is called "outcomes assessment" and is an effective tool.

Maybe, when used on something that is not the size of 1/6th of the US economy

That is what pilot test programs are for

So you don't think big programs should be evaluated after they are implemented to see how well they work? No wonder we have a huge deficit.

You are right cause that is what we have been doing for years

Implement and suffer the consequenses

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Interesting video of Senator Byrd discussing reconciliation and Bill Clinton's health care bill.


http://www.breitbart.tv/uncovered-shocker-sen-byrd-single-handedly-stopped-president-clinton-from-using-reconciliation/

Seems very applicable today, also.

Very much so

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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so with context, I read that as "we'll have to pass it and experience it's outcome before we can pass judgement on it"

Judging the success of things based on how they turn out is called "outcomes assessment" and is an effective tool.

I would agree that outcomes assessments are useful tools. But when deciding to vote for something, it's not timely to wait to see how something turns out.

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Interesting video of Senator Byrd discussing reconciliation and Bill Clinton's health care bill.


http://www.breitbart.tv/uncovered-shocker-sen-byrd-single-handedly-stopped-president-clinton-from-using-reconciliation/

Seems very applicable today, also.

Very much so

Yep.

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That is what pilot test programs are for

So you don't think big programs should be evaluated after they are implemented to see how well they work? No wonder we have a huge deficit.

OOH, ooh, I want to play: .....

So you think incredibly controversial and expensive programs should all just be cut in and assessed after the fact without smaller scale testing?

Hawaii

You must mean this Hawaii..

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20100209/NEWS01/2090362/Hawaii-will-delay-sending-out-tax-refunds-to-balance-budget

I can see it's working well for them

That's a state run program. A proper test would be using the same policies and procedures (and federal $$$) as would be implemented nationwide on one state first then rolled out to more states as the issues were discovered and remediated or scrapped if determined too costly/ineffective.

The government should take a page from corporate America on this one.
Phased rollout, not turnkey...

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Im just gonna put it here in writing for when it happens later.

Obama is a crook, Pelosi is a liar, and even though you will never admit this due to pride the democrat politicians in office right now are about to screw things up on so many levels.

They dont care about the american public one bit, they are all trying to uplift their golden child obama by passing the feel good bills. Why are they in such a hurry if they are not trying to cover something up?

And changing the vote to an "up down" is also a cover so the uninformed public does not realize they are trying to use some back door rule to sneak another one in on them...

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Im just gonna put it here in writing for when it happens later.

Obama is a crook, Pelosi is a liar, and even though you will never admit this due to pride the democrat politicians in office right now are about to screw things up on so many levels.

They dont care about the american public one bit, they are all trying to uplift their golden child obama by passing the feel good bills. Why are they in such a hurry if they are not trying to cover something up?

And changing the vote to an "up down" is also a cover so the uninformed public does not realize they are trying to use some back door rule to sneak another one in on them...

Even though you put it lightly, that pretty much sums it up. I agree.

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That is what pilot test programs are for

So you don't think big programs should be evaluated after they are implemented to see how well they work? No wonder we have a huge deficit.

OOH, ooh, I want to play: .....

So you think incredibly controversial and expensive programs should all just be cut in and assessed after the fact without smaller scale testing?

Hawaii

Massachusetts

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That is what pilot test programs are for

So you don't think big programs should be evaluated after they are implemented to see how well they work? No wonder we have a huge deficit.

OOH, ooh, I want to play: .....

So you think incredibly controversial and expensive programs should all just be cut in and assessed after the fact without smaller scale testing?

Hawaii

Massachusetts

Yep, small scale pilot programs have been run.

If it's all so bad, WHY DO RIGHT WINGERS FEEL THE NEED TO DO A HACK JOB ON PELOSI'S WORDS? First the ACORN frame-up, now this.

It suggests the right doesn't have any real argument so they resort to misrepresenting the words of their opponents.

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