Gun Store's Little League Baseball Sponsorship Denied

[JohnRich 4]

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Kids baseball league rejects gun dealer's sponsorship

Matt Carmel, a licensed gun dealer, applied to sponsor a team in the local Babe Ruth/Cal Ripken baseball league, using the name of his business — Constitution Arms. Since his 10-year-old son, Kalman, had played the season before, Carmel wanted to put up the $300 fee to sponsor a team himself. But in an 8-1 vote, the volunteer committee said thanks, but no thanks. He was rebuffed.

Kate Schmidt said the rule book for the league "strongly advises meticulous care" in the selection of sponsors for the "welfare of youth." "It’s pretty broad," she said.

But, Carmel notes, other sponsors could be deemed "inappropriate" as well. The league overseers, he said, have permitted sellers of liquor and tobacco, as well as a Cluck-U Chicken eatery whose promos feature a scantily clad woman in a bikini with the suggestive words "Large Breasts, Juicy Thighs. Luscious Legs..."

Source: http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/03/nj_kids_baseball_league_reject.html

[chutem 0]

Not sure about the little league thing, but I'm suddenly hungry for chicken.

James

[christelsabine 1]

*Gruber* and *Schmidt* have a fishy German sound .....

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[quade 4]

Meh . . . it's up to the league. It's their business.

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[CanuckInUSA 0]

Where are the "Bad News Bears" and their beer guzzling, cigar smoking coach Buttermaker when you need them. Society has turned into a bunch of politically correct wussy chimp whiners.

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Where are the "Bad News Bears" and their beer guzzling, cigar smoking coach Buttermaker when you need them. Society has turned into a bunch of politically correct wussy chimp whiners.

EXACTLY! The kind of pussy whiners that stomp their feet, throw a temper tantrum and try to make a scene in the press when they don't get their way like this gun store owner.

He got told no . . . boo-freekin'-hoo.

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[lawrocket 3]

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Where are the "Bad News Bears" and their beer guzzling, cigar smoking coach Buttermaker when you need them. Society has turned into a bunch of politically correct wussy chimp whiners.

EXACTLY! The kind of pussy whiners that stomp their feet, throw a temper tantrum and try to make a scene in the press when they don't get their way like this gun store owner.

True. He should be closing down freeways and such.

Hey, I take it the gun store owner has all he needs to simply eradicate the board of directors. Instead, he peacefully makes it known what happened.

Sure, the league has the right to decide what sponsors it wants. The guy has the right to make it known. Funny - the system worked just as I like it.

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[Andy9o8 3]

Here we have a guy (whose own parents harmlessly named him Matthew) who went and named his son "Kalman Carmel". Ever hear Johnny Cash's Song "A Boy Named Sue"? If so, you'll understand why he wants his son to have guns.*







*(OK, for those who don't know the song - the protagonist, a man whose absentee father gave him the name "Sue" at birth, and had a rough life because of it, caught up with his father later in life, and after fighting the old man for what he'd done, was stopped by his father's explanation: "I knew you'd have to get tough or die .")

[JohnRich 4]

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Meh . . . it's up to the league. It's their business.

So if the league chooses to discriminate against legitimate businesses based upon arbitrary standards, then that's okay with you? If they chose not to allow sponsors from say, muslim-owned businesses, you wouldn't have a problem with that?

[lawrocket 3]

Most people have no problem with discrimination against those they disdain.

My thing is not having a problem with people or organizations making choices. A diocese bans the kid of a lesbian couple? Let them. And let the lesbian couple go to the press.

It's the way a free society works. So the little league might face some persecution. Good for them. The gun shop owner being persecuted? Good for him.

Much a person tattooing a swastika of his face. Good for you. However, don't blame me for judging a book by it's cover. You've sent a message and I'll simply avoid contact with you. No, I won't get to know what's inside because the outside repulses me. I'll suck it up by avoiding him.

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[billvon 3,173]

>So if the league chooses to discriminate against legitimate businesses
>based upon arbitrary standards, then that's okay with you?

Yep. Let's say it's your son's team, and the Brady Campaign wanted to sponsor their team. Even give them free uniforms with the logo "A Day Without Guns is a Good Day." Other organizations want to sponsor them as well, but without the uniforms. Would you vote for or against getting sponsorship from the Brady Campaign?

[RonD1120 62]

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News:

Kids baseball league rejects gun dealer's sponsorship

Matt Carmel, a licensed gun dealer, applied to sponsor a team in the local Babe Ruth/Cal Ripken baseball league, using the name of his business — Constitution Arms. Since his 10-year-old son, Kalman, had played the season before, Carmel wanted to put up the $300 fee to sponsor a team himself. But in an 8-1 vote, the volunteer committee said thanks, but no thanks. He was rebuffed.

Kate Schmidt said the rule book for the league "strongly advises meticulous care" in the selection of sponsors for the "welfare of youth." "It’s pretty broad," she said.

But, Carmel notes, other sponsors could be deemed "inappropriate" as well. The league overseers, he said, have permitted sellers of liquor and tobacco, as well as a Cluck-U Chicken eatery whose promos feature a scantily clad woman in a bikini with the suggestive words "Large Breasts, Juicy Thighs. Luscious Legs..."

Source: http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/03/nj_kids_baseball_league_reject.html

My stepson was the victim of an attempted home invasion last week by four perpetrators . He shot a wounded one of the scumbags. The other three dragged away the wounded and they escaped. He is an adult and never played little league baseball. God I love that boy.

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[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

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>So if the league chooses to discriminate against legitimate businesses
>based upon arbitrary standards, then that's okay with you?

Yep. Let's say it's your son's team, and the Brady Campaign wanted to sponsor their team. Even give them free uniforms with the logo "A Day Without Guns is a Good Day." Other organizations want to sponsor them as well, but without the uniforms. Would you vote for or against getting sponsorship from the Brady Campaign?

I'd think the league would refuse the Brady Bunch as sponsors too. (correctly IMO)

IIRC, the original Bad News Bears (Walter Matheau as coach, Tatum O'Neal as the pitcher) had "Chico's Bail Bonds" as the sponsor.

If I understand the article correctly, this particular league probably wouldn't allow a Bail Bond outfit as a sponsor.
Probably not strip clubs either.

They (understandably) don't want sponsors who are going to be considered "Inappropriate For Children".
And for a kid's baseball team, I think that's a smart thing to do.

Guns (for or against), booze, crime related, sex related are all probably bad ideas.
How about Banesanura sponsoring a Little League team

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They (understandably) don't want sponsors who are going to be considered "Inappropriate For Children".
And for a kid's baseball team, I think that's a smart thing to do.

It actually looked to me like the reason was they wanted to focus on the game rather than any sponsors that might incite people to some controversy unrelated to the game.

I thought the league organizers sounded pretty reasonable.

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[Belgian_Draft 0]

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Where are the "Bad News Bears" and their beer guzzling, cigar smoking coach Buttermaker when you need them. Society has turned into a bunch of politically correct wussy chimp whiners.

EXACTLY! The kind of pussy whiners that stomp their feet, throw a temper tantrum and try to make a scene in the press when they don't get their way like this gun store owner.

True. He should be closing down freeways and such.

Hey, I take it the gun store owner has all he needs to simply eradicate the board of directors. Instead, he peacefully makes it known what happened.

Sure, the league has the right to decide what sponsors it wants. The guy has the right to make it known. Funny - the system worked just as I like it.

I agree that it is up to the league.
Question for the law-educated: If this had been a city run league (public), they had asked for sponsors, he had applied to sponsor a team that would otherwise have gone unsponsored, and the directors refused....would that have been legal? I'm asking because I honestly don't know and could only guess it would not be legal for them to refuse.

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[Andy9o8 3]

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Question for the law-educated: If this had been a city run league (public), they had asked for sponsors, he had applied to sponsor a team that would otherwise have gone unsponsored, and the directors refused....would that have been legal? I'm asking because I honestly don't know and could only guess it would not be legal for them to refuse.

Off the top of my head (FWIW ), I think it might be tougher in a government-run league than in a strictly private one. An objective authority judging such an action would probably examine, in order of importance: (1) Is it unlawfully discriminatory; and (2) is it arbitrary and capricious?

[hwt 0]

The politically correct can be so ridicules at times

[kelpdiver 2]

The question really is - is this league flush with cash and sponsors, or does denying this one mean that they're going to hit up the others for more?

If I were one of the other sponsors (or a parent) and read they declined the sponsorship of this perfectly legitimate business, I'd be reluctant to give any more.

I've been in sports (ex, dragon boating) that relies on sponsors and every year is a negotiation. You don't turn down the willing.

*I might draw the line if the sponsor wanted the team name to be the Bullets. Funny how DC, often our murder capital, had an NBA team by that name.

[Andy9o8 3]

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*I might draw the line if the sponsor wanted the team name to be the Bullets. Funny how DC, often our murder capital, had an NBA team by that name.

Washington only settled for "Redskins" because they thought "Darkies" had already been taken.