Green jobs myth exposed

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http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/breaking-anti-lobbyist-obama-administration-recruited-left-wing-lobbyists-to-sell-bogus-green-jobs/

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http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/breaking-anti-lobbyist-obama-administration-recruited-left-wing-lobbyists-to-sell-bogus-green-jobs/

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As candidate and president, on eight separate occasions Barack Obama instructed Americans to “think about what’s happening in countries like Spain [and] Germany” if they wanted to know what successful “green jobs” policies look like, and if they wanted to know what we should expect here in the U.S. from his agenda.

Some European economists took a look. In March, a research team from Madrid’s King Juan Carlos University produced a detailed, substantive, heavily sourced, two-method paper: “Study of the Effects on Employment of Public Aid to Renewable Energy Sources.” The paper concluded that Spain’s “green jobs” program was an economic failure, in fact costing Spain many jobs.

But..but...there were green jobs in Spain before Juan Carlos kicked out the inspectors.

Please don't dent the planet.

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"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

[brenthutch 444]

Kalland, Bill, Amazon?? Nothing to say?

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Kalland, Bill, Amazon?? Nothing to say?

So you think "pajamasmedia.com" is more credible than the New York Times.

Puts your posts in perspective.

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more credible than the New York Times.

That doesn't take much.

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Puts your posts in perspective.

So does yours.

Of course, if you HAD read the linked page, you would have found the mention of Dr. Alvarez' paper, which stated:

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Optimistically treating European Commission partially funded data, we find that for every renewable energy job that the State manages to finance, Spain’s experience cited by President Obama as a model reveals with high confidence, by two different methods, that the U.S. should expect a loss of at least 2.2 jobs on average, or about 9 jobs lost for every 4 created, to which we have to add those jobs that non-subsidized investments with the same resources would have created.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[hwt 0]

Anyone here put together the fact that G.E. / Msnbc and NBC are connected to this scam? The progressives own the press and their movement has been exposed .I am sure that more and more will be exposed later.

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Anyone here put together the fact that G.E. / Msnbc and NBC are connected to this scam? The progressives own the press and their movement has been exposed .I am sure that more and more will be exposed later.

is GE really progressive, as in the upper levels of management hold onto progressive/liberal idiologies? or do they just stand to make tons of money from "green" technologies?

"Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama
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[brenthutch 444]

Try to stay focused on the message not the messenger, Professor. Deal with the substance, not hyperbole and ad holmium attacks.

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Try to stay focused on the message not the messenger, Professor. Deal with the substance, not hyperbole and ad holmium attacks.

Ad holmium? What do you have against holmium?

Sometimes the messenger reveals himself to be clueless. That's why it's important to establish that the messenger has credibility.

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[brenthutch 444]

Thanks for making my point. Bait presented, hook set. You cant address the substance of the article so you attack the messenger .

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Thanks for making my point. Bait presented, hook set. You cant address the substance of the article so you attack the messenger .

You mean, like THIS GUY

You may wish to reconsider who took the bait.

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[brenthutch 444]

yawn.
Do you care to address the point of green jobs? Or is that above your pay grade?
Golly I am just a dumb hay seed, and dont know nothing. That is why I have to quote others. Heck I cant spel or even congegate a verb. I rely on folks that r much more smarter than I am to support my arguments. That is why I am confused that a academic such as yourself cant even deal with a point put forth by a nuckelhead like me.

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I want to read it. I really do, but since the pajama channel started employing clueless plumbers to be their middle east correspondents.....I just can't take them seriously (not that I did) and clicking would just encourage them.
I'll look elsewhere for a similar article.

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I just can't take them seriously (not that I did) and clicking would just encourage them.
I'll look elsewhere for a similar article.

Sorta like us with mediamatters links.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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I just can't take them seriously (not that I did) and clicking would just encourage them.
I'll look elsewhere for a similar article.

Sorta like us with mediamatters links.

Fair enough. Except in my case it's not a "fingers in the ears" response. I actually DO want to know what the article said ("honestly honey, I only watch the pajama channel for the insightful and thorough news reporting").

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I just can't take them seriously (not that I did) and clicking would just encourage them.
I'll look elsewhere for a similar article.

Sorta like us with mediamatters links.

Fair enough. Except in my case it's not a "fingers in the ears" response. I actually DO want to know what the article said ("honestly honey, I only watch the pajama channel for the insightful and thorough news reporting").

You seem to be confusing a blog site (PJM) with a TV channel (Fox).

It's sorta like Huff'n'puff, but without the hysteria and vitriol.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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The pajamas media site is obviously questionable, but the study that it references in the first page is a good read.

I only had time to read the executive summary. It seems that the study has only considered jobs lost as a result of capital that would have been invested elsewhere and jobs lost because of energy intensive companies moving else where. What it seems to miss is jobs created on the energy efficiency side. With rising prices, every single consumer will have incentive to use the best available technology with regard to energy efficiency. That's a whole lot of new appliances to manufacture, new windows, insulating, etc.... I think that in the best case scenario, cost per KW-hr would increase but your total monthly bill could decrease because so many homes currently use no where near the best available technology.

I might have missed it but I'm not sure that study has taken the whole picture into account.

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You seem to be confusing a blog site (PJM) with a TV channel (Fox).

Nope. It was pajama media who decided that Joe the plumber would be a good choice as their Gaza reporter. But now that I think about it, you're right. It is easy to get FOX mixed up with a blog site.

Perhaps I'm being too hasty though. Who am I to pre-judge the newsworthiness of the sleepwear network when some of the most insightful news programming comes from a comedy channel?

Weird times these.

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With rising prices, every single consumer will have incentive to use the best available technology with regard to energy efficiency. That's a whole lot of new appliances to manufacture, new windows, insulating, etc.... I think that in the best case scenario, cost per KW-hr would increase but your total monthly bill could decrease because so many homes currently use no where near the best available technology.

that's all well and good if everyone has the upfront cash to upgrade their appliances.

For instance, I have two central AC units for my home. Both manufactured and installed in 1993. in the hot months of the year (in TX, that's late April through early October. Call it 5 months) my electric bill is between $200 and $350. I expect that were I to update both units, my bills would drop to between $150 and $250 per month instead. I'll be generous and guesstimate $100/month during those months ($500) and an additional $200 total for the other months that I run the AC. So $700/year in savings for an outlay (after incentives) of around $3000 for both units. If I had the $3K, I'd do it. But I don't. So I can't and end up spending more in the long run.

And I'd bet my situation is less like the exception, and more like the general case.

(mostly pulled all those numbers out of my ass except for my electrical bill numbers. been 3 years since I replaced a central air unit, and that was as I was selling the house.)

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>that's all well and good if everyone has the upfront cash to upgrade their appliances.

Appliances wear out; incentive programs encourage people to buy more efficient appliances to replace them.

>If I had the $3K, I'd do it. But I don't. So I can't and end up spending
>more in the long run.

Right - but if one breaks and you have to replace it, you are more likely to go for the more efficient system if incentives make it cheaper to do so.

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Here is the future of green jobs.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-elk/ge-moves-green-jobs-to-ch_b_244110.html

[brenthutch 444]

really?

"Kalland, Bill, Amazon?? Nothing to say? "

[billvon 3,120]

>Kalland, Bill, Amazon?? Nothing to say?

Really? You don't even read the thread before replying? Really?

[brenthutch 444]

Sorry Bill, the thread is my thread about how green jobs are a myth, and have been proven to be so by the nations that have advocated for them. It is not about my horrible spelling.
The discourse goes as follows:

Me: I read in the WSJ that 2+2=4

K******: The WSG are a bunch of fascist Nazis

Me: well that may be, but can you discuss my point that 2+2 may equal 4

K******: You cant even use correct punctuation, you are below contempt and do not deserve a response.

Me: Yes I am an idiot, but can we get bact to the point of my post?