mnealtx 0 #26 March 7, 2010 Quotedon't like the facts mnealtx? (say after me - ACORN was framed by a couple of white nutjobs) Your rich fantasy life != facts.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #27 March 7, 2010 No one said they were going to wire tap her office but the media. I live here, and during the past few votes you could not get a phone call, or reply from a email from her office by ANYONE. There was local news stories weeks before these kids came along about Sen Mary Landrieu and her ignoring everyone. She did what she wanted to help her party even tho thousands of people who she represents were trying to tell her WE did not want it. She was bribed in the bill saying they would give her office 100 million....she voted YES..... http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/11/the-100-million-health-care-vote.html They could be lying, but the kids said they were there just to see how they are handling phone calls during the time leading up to a crucial vote, and to verify she was ignoring her public. They had no such recording devices or "bugs" on their persons when they were arrested, at best the only thing they could have done was cut a wire, or pass for one of the Village People the way they were dressed Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #28 March 7, 2010 QuoteQuotedon't like the facts mnealtx? (say after me - ACORN was framed by a couple of white nutjobs) Your rich fantasy life != facts. How about this then? ACORN was framed by a couple of CONSERVATIVES.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #29 March 7, 2010 frame (frm) To make up evidence or contrive events so as to incriminate (a person) falsely. How did the conservatives "frame" them? The point of them going in there was to prove that fact that some locations ARE corrupt. There was no cue cards, the illegal options were given from the other side of the counter... The way you are saying it would be the same as drug dealers "frame" drug buyers because of what they have in their pocket...... Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chutem 0 #30 March 7, 2010 I think we have to remeber that "cleared of charges" does not state that crimes were not committed. James Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #31 March 7, 2010 Quote I think we have to remeber that "cleared of charges" does not state that crimes were not committed. James Right, submitting a fraudulent video in the hopes of discrediting ACORN may well be a crime... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,112 #32 March 7, 2010 >How did the conservatives "frame" them? By fraudulently presenting an edited tape as evidence. In other words, they lied in an attempt to defame ACORN. >The point of them going in there was to prove that fact that some >locations ARE corrupt. Yep. They tried and failed miserably, and were exposed as liars. >The way you are saying it would be the same as drug dealers "frame" >drug buyers because of what they have in their pocket If ACORN was guilty, why would they have to present fraudulent video to prove that? Why not just present the unedited video? (Answer - that would not have met their political goals.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chutem 0 #33 March 7, 2010 If they did then they should be prosecuted. Can we atleast agree that the ACORN workers on the tapes have an ethics problem with the advice they give/gave? James Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #34 March 7, 2010 QuoteLiving wages Living wage ordinances require private businesses that do business with the government to pay their workers a wage that enables them to afford basic necessities. ACORN has helped pass local living wage laws in 15 cities including Chicago, Oakland, Denver, and New York City. ACORN maintains a website that provides strategic and logistical assistance to organizations nationwide. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Community_Organizations_for_Reform_Nowstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #35 March 7, 2010 Ok answer me this in a yes/no fashion. Regardless of how it was filmed/edited/aired. Did the acorn worker not tell them how to commit multiple ethical/ illegal actions regarding how to run a prostitution ring? Personally I don't care what the hell they were talking about the fact remails that out of the acorn workers mouths without a gun to their head came the words. This happened in Washington. maryland and new York. I could see how you could "frame" someone infront a sex shop in a photo and say they came out of it when intact they werejust walking on the sidewalk headed to the movies. How the hell do you frame someone into thinking something illegal in their head and makit come out of their mouth? Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #36 March 7, 2010 QuoteKatrina relief ACORN members across the country, particularly in the Gulf region, have organized fundraising and organizing drives to ensure that victims of Hurricane Katrina will receive assistance and will be able to return to affected areas. ACORN's home cleanout demonstration program has gutted and rebuilt over 1,850 homes with the help of volunteers. The ACORN Katrina Survivors Association formed in the aftermath of the storm is the first nationwide organization for Katrina survivors and has been working for equitable treatment for victims. Displaced citizens were bused into the city for the New Orleans primary and general elections. ACORN says its Housing Services have helped more than 2,000 homeowners affected by the storm and is an official planner working with the city on reconstruction. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Community_Organizations_for_Reform_Nowstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,112 #37 March 7, 2010 >Regardless of how it was filmed/edited/aired. Did the acorn worker not > tell them how to commit multiple ethical/ illegal actions regarding how to >run a prostitution ring? Yes. Now, let's say you are on the stand, and someone is asking you questions under oath. The lawyer asks "Sir, have you discussed illegal actions regarding running a prostitution ring on the Internet? Answer yes or no please." What would your answer be? And if it was "yes" - what are you guilty of? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #38 March 7, 2010 Yes. I just realized we were disputing the charges. Yea I agree with the charges being dropped there was not enough actions or involvement by them to have charges stick. I thought we had spun off into discussions of what they did was ethical or not. Which I believe the answer was 100% no. Acorn being an orgizination that recieves federal and state monies should be under extreme supervision and audit until it all can be cleared up , as any orgizination that is in the same situation as them being black white purple dem or republican. The main problem I have with acorn is the fact that they are so underground, poliically anchored, ans was found to be giving unethical/illegal advice at different locations located remotley from eachother giving me the understanding that this group as a whole has this agenda Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #39 March 7, 2010 QuoteIf they did then they should be prosecuted. Can we atleast agree that the ACORN workers on the tapes have an ethics problem with the advice they give/gave? James I haven't seen the unedited tapes so I have no idea. I don't think any conclusions can be drawn from the edited tapes - I've seen videos edited to make it look as if animals can talk.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chutem 0 #40 March 7, 2010 Ok, I see now, it must have been a computer animation or voiceover. James Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #41 March 7, 2010 QuoteOk, I see now, it must have been a computer animation or voiceover. James I made no supposition - that's all yours. Have you seen the unedited tapes? You seem to have no trouble assuming that because some unethical CONSERVATIVE scumbags blew smoke at ACORN, that ACORN must have a fire. Hardly makes you an unbiased observer, does it? The only ethical lapse we know about is the fraudulent CONSERVATIVE video. The only criminal charge pending among the various parties is against the CONSERVATIVE O'Keefe.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chutem 0 #42 March 7, 2010 You come accross as quite unbiassed yourself. I'm not saying there is a fire at ACORN, just some "questionable ethics" in advice supplied by their employee. You go ahead and act like you don't believe there was any wrongdoing done by ACORN employees since there was not a prosecutable crime. With any luck the un-edited tapes will be public and we can see how it played out. James Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #43 March 7, 2010 we know how it played out - ACORN was framed - duh! (good luck with getting the unaltered tapes - how will you know?)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chutem 0 #44 March 7, 2010 Are you saying that there was no wrongdoing by ACORN employees on the tape we have seen? James Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #45 March 7, 2010 the whole thing was a set up. (remember rove had already tried to frame ACORN)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chutem 0 #46 March 7, 2010 Ok I give up. Since there was no prosecutable crime based on the tape there was no wrong doing on the part of ACORN employees in the video. James Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #47 March 8, 2010 QuoteYou come accross as quite unbiassed yourself. I'm not saying there is a fire at ACORN, just some "questionable ethics" in advice supplied by their employee. You go ahead and act like you don't believe there was any wrongdoing done by ACORN employees since there was not a prosecutable crime. With any luck the un-edited tapes will be public and we can see how it played out. James Until such time as the unedited tapes are available we can't form any conclusions about ACORN. YOU, not I, are the one drawing conclusions before seeing the unedited tapes. We can draw conclusions about the CONSERVATIVES who fabricated the evidence. They are scumbags.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #48 March 8, 2010 QuoteOk I give up. Since there was no prosecutable crime based on the tape there was no wrong doing on the part of ACORN employees in the video. James YOU might say that, no-one else has. YOU want to draw a conclusion without seeing the evidence.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 379 #49 March 8, 2010 Do you believe everything Michael Moore puts in his movies? Or do you believe that he uses leading questions and skillful editing to create misleading (or outright false) impressions? I use Moore as an example, as conservatives almost universally dismiss his work as lies motivated by a liberal bias. Why wouldn't a conservative film-maker be equally capable of such tricks? Without the original tapes, somehow confirmed to be unaltered, there is no way to know what really happened in those Acorn offices. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hwt 0 #50 March 8, 2010 http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=35696 cleared of those charges, but what about these charges Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
