Canadian Women's Hockey Celebration

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It wasn't that long ago that athletes from some countries had no choice but to win.

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Then we had to fly back to Udon Thani, so we loaded the C-130's to fly back. The Thai military didn't want beer on their planes, so Larry went around telling people to get rid of the beers. We did, out of respect for the people who gave us their airplanes basically for free.

It's not really the same thing, is it?

Ice rinks are designed for tens of thousands of people to drink beer and eat hot dogs (or the Canuck variant) while watching a game or a concert. The reason the venue exists is for the performers.

C-130s are military transport planes. Their purpose was not to assist skydivers, but they accommodated your team's needs voluntarily. And there are practical reasons for not wanting loose alcoholic beverages on board, which in the hands of drunks are more likely to be spilled.

If the focus was on the smoking, fine, but it's really this assertion that these damn women should be controlling themselves.

This thread has really taken a shit, it has zero to so with:

- Hockey
- C-30's
- Thailanders
- skydiving
- Canada

It has to do with a world organization called the olympics and the rules. The venue is irrelevant as well as the sport. WHat matters is a universal set of rules that are followed regardless of sport, nationality or degree of hapiness/sadness/anger/glee.

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Let's just be glad this happened in a country where the winners can celebrate, as opposed to one where the losers might get shot on the streets. Sounds to me like you;re jealous..

What countries might the losers get shot? And oh, BTW, perhaps the Olympics selection committees might take this into consideration, which perhaps explains why we lost the future olympics in Chicago. I imagine your odds of getting killed go way up while in Chicago, NY and the likes.

What am I allegedly jealous of?

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Example from my own experience. In 2004 we got the 357 way after a long and hard week. Everyone started celebrating, buying beer from the vendors that magically appeared after we had landed at Thakli. One woman could barely stand up, she was in so much pain from her shoulder. Another guy had passed out on the final jump. We had lost several people to injuries and sickness. We all deserved a celebration.

Then we had to fly back to Udon Thani, so we loaded the C-130's to fly back. The Thai military didn't want beer on their planes, so Larry went around telling people to get rid of the beers. We did, out of respect for the people who gave us their airplanes basically for free.

Did that mean that the Thai military were assholes with sticks up their asses? Should we have protested, and said "FUCK YOU! We have the right to celebrate in the place we started the record attempt from!" Perhaps.

But instead we dumped out the beer, flew back and had the party back at the base. And that didn't seem like a huge deal to me. It seemed more like showing respect for some of the people who allowed us to get the record in the first place.
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Real skydivers would have kept drinking and hired a blind cab driver to drive them back.... Even if it is a 14 hour cab ride.

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
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In case you hadn't noticed the outcry against the IOC was a lot more widespread than just here on this forum.
You don't see it as a revocation issue? You aren't very familiar with how the IOC works.
Since when has the Rose Bowl and BCS been professional sports?
How is waiting until the other team and all the spectators leave before celebrating on the ice not respectful? How?????

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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soccer players in certain south american countries, among others. Or cricket players....

i'm canadian. My taxes paid for much of this. I think it looks good on them. Not one canadian citizen on the canadian network news has said anything other then good for them, hope they had a good time.

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

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This thread points out a severe lack of remembering what it was like to be young and being in ecstasy over doing something momentous and letting loose and having some fun with the people who are the most important to you in your life right then.

Geezus talk about some anal retentive assholes... there are a bunch of them on the IOC for sure….. butt some of you are too... pull the fucking butt plugs out already.

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Oh great.
Now, besides being an economics guru, a top-notch trial attorney, an aircraft designer, materials expert, peerless pilot and political strategist, you are now an expert on international athletic competition and IOC rules & procedures.

We are so lucky to have you here as a member of this forum.

If you believe that I have some great waterfront property in Florida I'll make you a great deal on.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
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"To all our critics ... Get Real" - Hayley Wickenheiser
(captain of Canada's Womens Olympic Hockey Gold Medalists)

Do not piss off Ms. Wickenheiser, she will kick your ass.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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This thread points out a severe lack of remembering what it was like to be young and being in ecstasy over doing something momentous and letting loose and having some fun with the people who are the most important to you in your life right then.

Geezus talk about some anal retentive assholes... there are a bunch of them on the IOC for sure….. butt some of you are too... pull the fucking butt plugs out already.

Damn. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Edit to add: But I do wish you would quit holding back and tell us how you really feel.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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Yes I agree, I think Amazon captured the moment quite well with "being young", "celebrating something momentous in your life" and most importantly "being together with some of the more important people in your life".

Good on you Amazon for telling us what's important.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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You nailed it!


Chuck

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Wheres the harm??? They girls worked their arses off for years and won gold at the Olympics! In their own county, playing their national sport!!! if they can't celebrate then who can?? Whats the big deal (Its not like Zimbabwe came second )

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WHat matters is a universal set of rules that are followed regardless of sport, nationality or degree of hapiness/sadness/anger/glee.

An emotionless olypmics maybe your idea of a great event but its certainly not mine.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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"To all our critics ... Get Real" - Hayley Wickenheiser
(captain of Canada's Womens Olympic Hockey Gold Medalists)

Do not piss off Ms. Wickenheiser, she will kick your ass.

And what an ass kickin it would be!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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This thread points out a severe lack of remembering what it was like to be young and being in ecstasy over doing something momentous and letting loose and having some fun with the people who are the most important to you in your life right then.

Geezus talk about some anal retentive assholes... there are a bunch of them on the IOC for sure….. butt some of you are too... pull the fucking butt plugs out already.

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"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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In case you hadn't noticed the outcry against the IOC was a lot more widespread than just here on this forum.

In case you don't notice the outcry of people who hate speeding laws FAR outnumber those who support them.

In case you didn't notice, there were just a couple people who dissented against slavery abolition.

I could go on, but anyone foolish enough to believe that majority rules is up for some real awakenings. \

Shall we talk about the tax code and those who agree with it vs those who don't?

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You don't see it as a revocation issue? You aren't very familiar with how the IOC works.

And your assertion that the coach/girls didn't actually sovber up and see how it could be construed as brash shows your bias in this issue. I doubt you understand the frailty of international issues very well; the intent of the olympics is for the world to come together and be nice.

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Since when has the Rose Bowl and BCS been professional sports?

Who said it was? Also, I understand that conservatives know black and white, but there are degrees here and the olympics are the ultimate highest in this context, collegiate sports next,then pros. SO if they spray champagne around IN THE LOCKER ROOM after a Rose Bowl win, then that is quite diff than on the center of the ice.

Another great example is that of when T Owens I think it was scored a TDwon and went to the center of Dallas field, (he didn't play for them then, I think it was SF) and knelt down and basically said, "This is my house." Another player came up and nailed him. SO that's an example of when even in pro sports there is a limit. Granted, that was during a game, but still, ethere are ethics rules, written or not that are to be followed. I think he was even fined for that.

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How is waiting until the other team and all the spectators leave before celebrating on the ice not respectful? How?????

Because the jurisdiction of the ice belongs to the olympic committee until the games are over, I doubt you can grasp tthat concept, but this won't help the future chances for Canada getting the olympics back soon.

And how it could be construed as objectionable is that it could be viewd as brash celebration. I don't personally give a shit, good for them, but it is in bad taste.

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soccer players in certain south american countries, among others. Or cricket players....

i'm canadian. My taxes paid for much of this. I think it looks good on them. Not one canadian citizen on the canadian network news has said anything other then good for them, hope they had a good time.

(Sarcasm) And I'm American, I see nothing wrong with going to other countries and blowing them up for target practice; my taxes pay for part of that armament.

1) That ice belongs to the Olympic committee during the games, so the ownership argument is lame.

2) The Olympic rules/ethics outweigh what any/every Canuck thinks. I personally don't have an issue either, but I'm being objective and see how grossly inappropriate it is.

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This thread points out a severe lack of remembering what it was like to be young and being in ecstasy over doing something momentous and letting loose and having some fun with the people who are the most important to you in your life right then.

Geezus talk about some anal retentive assholes... there are a bunch of them on the IOC for sure….. butt some of you are too... pull the fucking butt plugs out already.

I didn't expecct shortsightedness from you of all.

1) I don't personally care, hope they have great time celebrating.

2) You can't behave how you want in the Olympics, after the Olympics, etc. It is an EXTREME priviledge to participate in or host the Olympics, so you must raise teh bar. Granted, teh US and Canada won't have hard feelings, but what if it were the US and one of the countries we like to threaten or blow up on the other end?

Geezus talk about some anal idiotic assholes... there are a bunch of them on the IOC for sure….. butt some of you are too... pull the fucking butt plugs out already who ever you guys are.

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Now, besides being an economics guru, a top-notch trial attorney, an aircraft designer, materials expert, peerless pilot and political strategist, you are now an expert on international athletic competition and IOC rules & procedures.

I've only ever claimed to be an acft sheetmetal expert, which I am. You also claimed that with X years building trailers, gave me a 4th grade test, I handed it back with 3rd grade questions you failed on then said, "this test is over."

Just because you can't answer issues doesn't make me less quakified, but it serves as great misdirection.

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"To all our critics ... Get Real" - Hayley Wickenheiser
(captain of Canada's Womens Olympic Hockey Gold Medalists)

Do not piss off Ms. Wickenheiser, she will kick your ass.

At first I thought this was from Mike, as it had no cite. Then I realized You were posting a partial assertion and the rest would have DEBUNKED YOUR POINT, which it does.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/vancouver/hockey/2010-02-26-oly-canada-celebrate_N.htm

Canadian hockey captain Wickenheiser defends gold-medal celebration

By Roxanna Scott, USA TODAY
VANCOUVER — Hayley Wickenheiser, captain of the Canadian women's hockey team, has a message for those who have criticized her and her teammates for their boozy postgame celebration after winning gold.
"All I have to say is, get real. Really get real," Wickenheiser said when asked whether under-age drinking was an issue for her team. "We were enjoying the moment. We've got a couple of young kids … It was probably not the right thing to be on the ice and doing that. But in the moment you get caught up and things happen. Trust me, there's a lot worse things that go on at the Olympics than this. Everybody just take a deep breath and just chill out. It's not a big deal."


OFFICIAL NOT BOTHERED: Canadian chief says no scandal with team
Wickenheiser, 31, and her team were the talk of the town a day after posting a 2-0 victory in the gold-medal game against the United States Thursday night. Goaltender Shannon Szabados made 28 saves to lift Canada to its third consecutive gold medal. It was the eighth gold medal for Team Canada at the 2010 Winter Games and 16th overall.

But it was the players' postgame partying on the ice in a mostly empty arena —where only reporters and photographers were still working —that drew scrutiny. Players were photographed wearing their medals and drinking champagne and beer. Marie-Philip Poulin, a center who scored both goals, is 18. The legal drinking age in British Columbia is 19.

Hockey Canada released a statement of apology late Thursday night. The International Olympic Committee announced Friday it will send a letter to the Canadian organizing committee asking for more details of the celebration. But officials downplayed the issue in a news conference.

"To be honest I think people are in search of a story that doesn't exist," IOC director of communications Mark Adams said Friday.

PODIUM POWER: U.S. hangs on to overall medals lead
RESULTS: Men's, women's ice hockey
"We have seen all sorts of pictures, we have heard the stories," Adams said. "But I would say there has been a clear apology from the team and from the athletes. It looks to me pretty much where we draw the line on this."

USA Hockey executive director Dave Ogrean had no comment on the matter.

"My only comment would be, I wish it was the Americans who had been in a position to do that," U.S. Olympic Committee CEO Scott Blackmun told the Associated Press.

Wickenheiser, who has three Olympic gold medals and a silver, said the players went on the ice when they thought Canada Hockey Place had been cleared of fans, about 90-100 minutes after the game.

"I think this is so common in sports to celebrate like that, especially in hockey it's kind of a tradition," said Wickenheiser, a member of the national team since 1993. The players also had cigars, although Wickenheiser said there are no smokers on the team.

"The girls were doing nothing wrong but just taking some pictures. Unfortunately people just looking to dig up stuff. It's not going to detract us from celebrating the gold medal."

She said she spoke to Team Canada's chef de mission Nathalie Lambert Friday morning to apologize for "any embarrassment or grief we might have caused anybody."

All of the attention on the women's celebration has raised the question of whether Canadian men's hockey players will be warned should they advance to the gold-medal game and beat the United States on Sunday.

"I think they'll be told what they can and cannot do," Wickenheiser said. "These guys are pros. They know how to handle themselves. For sure everybody will be watching. I hope they go out and celebrate when they win, too."

If you look at Michael Phelps smoking dope, is it a big deal? No. But the words of Charles Barkley, "I'm not your role model" fall flat when he gets a DUI and then aplogizes. Phelps admits and apologizes; it just goes with the turf. Don't you hate Hollywood types whining about the ever-present paparazzi? Don't like it, don't want for so much fame. These people are on the fringe of to deep into imortalization, the rules of behavior are different, as well as the fruits of those rules are much different.

And now we have underrage drinking? And some advocate it? Nice.

So thx for teh partial quote, it really helps your cause.

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Wheres the harm??? They girls worked their arses off for years and won gold at the Olympics! In their own county, playing their national sport!!! if they can't celebrate then who can?? Whats the big deal (Its not like Zimbabwe came second )

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WHat matters is a universal set of rules that are followed regardless of sport, nationality or degree of hapiness/sadness/anger/glee.

An emotionless olypmics maybe your idea of a great event but its certainly not mine.

Do you really believe my profile? I'm not from Zimbabwe, just to be clear.

Emotion and underage drinking with a "mostly empty arena" meaning there are some people still there isn't in accordance with the Olympics and the team, the Canadian Hockey athority of some sort and all aggree and it's a done issue. But it was inappropriatee.

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Yes I agree, I think Amazon captured the moment quite well with "being young", "celebrating something momentous in your life" and most importantly "being together with some of the more important people in your life".

Good on you Amazon for telling us what's important.

It's not the celebrtation, it's the venue and the time. I realize in order to make an argument you must put blinders on and look only at the celebration and nothing else, but the governing bodies both in Canada and with the IOC disagree; sorry.

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Once again you show how big a difference there is between what you perceive as reality and what actually is reality.
Show us where there is a hard rule that the ladies broke.
There isn't. The only one that the IOC could argue as being violated would be one that requires athletes to retstrain from partaking in any actions that may be construed as detrimental to the image of the Olympics.
Fine. So if they raise a fuss about a women's hockey team celebrating their gold medal in an otherwise empty arena, than they have to take issue with the city/IOC passing out 100,000 free condoms. That's not even getting into the rest of the nightlife that continues for the entire run of the games.
Get over it , dude. As always your jealousy of talented athletes (or anybody with any kind of talent) shines through loud and clear.
Oh, one more thing....
Who the hell are YOU to talk about ethics????

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

[skypuppy 1]

Huh? It took 22 years for them to come back this time, this episode will be forgotten by next week....

As for the Olympic Committee owning the ice, I paid for the damm thing, the IOC can rent it, but they don't own it.

I'd like to see the specific rule where it says they can't go on the ice for a beer.

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

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Man, you got too much time on your hands. You're totally missing the point of the article. The IOC doesn't care. The Canadian Olympic Committee doesn't care. The Canadian Hockey Federation doesn't care. Even the US Olympic Committee said

"My only comment would be, I wish it was the Americans who had been in a position to do that," U.S. Olympic Committee CEO Scott Blackmun told the Associated Press.

The girls apologized to be polite. I probably would have, too. But not until I'd finished my beer.

It's not like the US mens team trashing the hotel in Nagano.
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If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

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No, you don't understand - someone had the sheer *gall* to disagree with something that the Expert of Every Subject had said.

Mike
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