Canadian Women's Hockey Celebration

[rushmc 23]

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>(By the way, did you meet Shawn White? Whitey? a friend of mine)

Oh yes. First met him in Narita, where he was about the tallest person (and maybe the loudest person) in the airport.

Yep, You met him
They guy can really fly

(as all of you who were on the record jump can)

Good person

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[masterrig 1]

I can understand that but these women didn't damage anything, tip-over cars or burn-down a hotel. I think, the IOC should let it slide.


Chuck

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the IOC should let it slide

Seems like the IOC may be getting the message. I heard on the radio coming home from work that the IOC will not be making a big deal out of this.

Here is Canada's captain Hayley Wickenheiser tell all the critics to get real:

http://www.ctvolympics.ca/hockey/news/newsid=53159.html#get+real+says+wickenheiser+critics+slam+party

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[masterrig 1]

Good! Glad to hear it. Much ado about nothing.


Chuck

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Good on them! They just won a gold medal and are celebrating.

I only wish i was there to help them celebrate..

[Lucky... 0]

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If the arena was full of people I would agree. But it was empty except for the team, coaches, and a few photographers who would have photographed their celebration regardless of where it was held.

Yea, but the olympics are about worldwide sportsmanship. Unless it's in strict privacy, celebrations must be PC. Even NFL doesn't allow excessive celebration.

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The IOC needs a clean sweep of personnel, especially at the top. What's the point of winning if you can't be happy about it...especially in a custom that is accepted in your own country...in your own county...

Countries compete for the priv of putting on teh show, so there are rules and no homefield advantage. Teh team agreed that it was wrong and apologized. It was wrong and will be wrong in the future.

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if the shoe was on the other foot and it was the American girls and not the Canadian girls doing the celebrating, I would be saying the same thing.

And I would be critical of this; this issue has nothing to do with nationalism, it has to do with rules and sportsmanship.

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IIRC, the Olympics are supposed to be about sportsmanship on the grandest stage of all, at least in the eyes of the IOC.

I would have preferred that the Olympic Games stuck to their Amateur-only rule, but the Communist-bloc countries wouldn't play fair, so we have the system as it is now, and it's hardly scandal-free.

If the arena was already empty of fans and opposing players, then I guess the girls did the right thing waiting until then to celebrate, but it would still have been better for them to go back to their hotel or athletic village where they're staying and celebrate in privacy.

Entirely agree. +1

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With all due respect I am guessing you do not have much of a hockey background.

I'm guessing you don't have much of an olympics background or understand world politics. Thsi has absolutley ZERO to do with hockey and everythign to do with rules. Buy an NBA ref.... interesting......breal olympics rules/ethics and get the fuck out.

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They're celebrating at the scene of the victory. This is routine in pro sports.

Exactly.

[Andy_Copland 0]

I really don't want to read all the replies. The Olympics is the most anticipated sporting event in the world where people are expected to act in a sportingly manner.

On the other hand, it was Canadians playing hockey. Its not exactly bowling is it? I say have fun and enjoy it.

1338

People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

[Lucky... 0]

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Then we had to fly back to Udon Thani, so we loaded the C-130's to fly back. The Thai military didn't want beer on their planes, so Larry went around telling people to get rid of the beers. We did, out of respect for the people who gave us their airplanes basically for free.

It's not really the same thing, is it?

Ice rinks are designed for tens of thousands of people to drink beer and eat hot dogs (or the Canuck variant) while watching a game or a concert. The reason the venue exists is for the performers.

C-130s are military transport planes. Their purpose was not to assist skydivers, but they accommodated your team's needs voluntarily. And there are practical reasons for not wanting loose alcoholic beverages on board, which in the hands of drunks are more likely to be spilled.

If the focus was on the smoking, fine, but it's really this assertion that these damn women should be controlling themselves.

This thread has really taken a shit, it has zero to so with:

- Hockey
- C-30's
- Thailanders
- skydiving
- Canada

It has to do with a world organization called the olympics and the rules. The venue is irrelevant as well as the sport. WHat matters is a universal set of rules that are followed regardless of sport, nationality or degree of hapiness/sadness/anger/glee.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

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The Olympics is the most anticipated sporting event in the world where people are expected to act in a sportingly manner.

Andy, this adhoc celebration took place more than two hours after the gold medal game had ended. There was no disrespecting any of the nations they competed against. It was simply a bunch of amateur athletes who wanted to return to the ice one more time (this could be the last time some of them get to play on such a large venue), cherish the moment, take some pictures and celebrate with some wobbly pops and maybe a cigar.

In the words of Canada's captain Hayley Wickenheiser to all the critics out there "Get Real". It's hard to believe a bunch of "beer light" observing skydivers would have an issue with this.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[Andy_Copland 0]

As i said, have fun and enjoy it.

You just took part of my post

Anyway, i dont even wait for the beer light before im sneaking off .

Edit: Hockey in the Olympics. Its rough and a little naughty. Thats what i like. I can deal with their celebrations.

1338

People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

My "Get Real" comments were not directed at you. Sorry if I left you with that impression.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[Andy_Copland 0]

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My "Get Real" comments were not directed at you. Sorry if I left you with that impression.

I even edited my post

1338

People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

[Belgian_Draft 0]

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If the arena was full of people I would agree. But it was empty except for the team, coaches, and a few photographers who would have photographed their celebration regardless of where it was held.

Yea, but the olympics are about worldwide sportsmanship. Unless it's in strict privacy, celebrations must be PC. Even NFL doesn't allow excessive celebration.

Their celebration had nothing to do with sportsmanship and most people agree that there was nothing wrong with their actions.
The apology they offered was expected. Since the IOC makes the rules and can interpret them anyway they see fit, the team had no choice. It was either apologize or face the possibility of losing their medal.
Yes, the NFL has rules about excessive celebration. But those are for during the game. Ever watch the end of a Superbowl? Final game of a World Series? Stanley Cup? Rose Bowl? BCS national championship game? The only thing these girls did that was different was wait until the place was empty, which I see as a great show of respect to their opponent.

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[BillyVance 35]

I happened to notice the Harlem Globetrotters playing on ESPN2 tonight against their usual opponents, the Washington Generals. One skit during the game involved them playing the basketball like it was a soccer ball, even had a soccer goal set up. The guy scores a goal, and goes apeshit running around the court, and ripped off his jersey to reveal a sports bra underneath.

Making fun of the US women's soccer team from a few years back.... remember that?

I'm sure they can work in a new routine making fun of the Canadian women's celebration.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[CanuckInUSA 0]

Damn Washington Generals are still losing to the Globetrotters?
Talk about losers ... they were losing when I was a kid.

Just kidding, please don't tell the IOC on me. I was drinking beer earlier.

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[DJL 235]

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>sorry but skydivers don't leave the dz after having a great jump, they
>turn on the beer light and party, the girls deserve to do this.

They do indeed deserve a party - perhaps just not on someone else's rink.

Example from my own experience. In 2004 we got the 357 way after a long and hard week. Everyone started celebrating, buying beer from the vendors that magically appeared after we had landed at Thakli. One woman could barely stand up, she was in so much pain from her shoulder. Another guy had passed out on the final jump. We had lost several people to injuries and sickness. We all deserved a celebration.

Then we had to fly back to Udon Thani, so we loaded the C-130's to fly back. The Thai military didn't want beer on their planes, so Larry went around telling people to get rid of the beers. We did, out of respect for the people who gave us their airplanes basically for free.

Did that mean that the Thai military were assholes with sticks up their asses? Should we have protested, and said "FUCK YOU! We have the right to celebrate in the place we started the record attempt from!" Perhaps.

But instead we dumped out the beer, flew back and had the party back at the base. And that didn't seem like a huge deal to me. It seemed more like showing respect for some of the people who allowed us to get the record in the first place.

Are you just playing the devil's advocate? That's not a very good example. I don't think anyone would say that an organized...we'll just say transporter whether it be a taxi company or and a country's military branch is out of line by asking people to not drink while in their vehicles.

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[BillyVance 35]

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Damn Washington Generals are still losing to the Globetrotters?
Talk about losers ... they were losing when I was a kid.

Just kidding, please don't tell the IOC on me. I was drinking beer earlier.

The last time the Generals beat the Globetrotters was in 1971 or thereabouts. By a couple of points. The next game, the Globetrotters dropped their comedy acts and played ball. Beat the shit out of the Generals. It was already a rout by halftime.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[skypuppy 1]

If a 4-way team with 20 year olds on it won a Nationals intermediate competition, and they all grabbed champagne and beer and ran into the landing area to start celebrating, they might be perfectly justified in doing that. Still, most teams seem to have enough class to save that for later.
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You must play in a different league then I do....

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

[skypuppy 1]

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Then we had to fly back to Udon Thani, so we loaded the C-130's to fly back. The Thai military didn't want beer on their planes, so Larry went around telling people to get rid of the beers. We did, out of respect for the people who gave us their airplanes basically for free.

It's not really the same thing, is it?

Ice rinks are designed for tens of thousands of people to drink beer and eat hot dogs (or the Canuck variant) while watching a game or a concert. The reason the venue exists is for the performers.

C-130s are military transport planes. Their purpose was not to assist skydivers, but they accommodated your team's needs voluntarily. And there are practical reasons for not wanting loose alcoholic beverages on board, which in the hands of drunks are more likely to be spilled.

If the focus was on the smoking, fine, but it's really this assertion that these damn women should be controlling themselves.

This thread has really taken a shit, it has zero to so with:

- Hockey
- C-30's
- Thailanders
- skydiving
- Canada

It has to do with a world organization called the olympics and the rules. The venue is irrelevant as well as the sport. WHat matters is a universal set of rules that are followed regardless of sport, nationality or degree of hapiness/sadness/anger/glee.

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Let's just be glad this happened in a country where the winners can celebrate, as opposed to one where the losers might get shot on the streets. Sounds to me like you;re jealous..

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

[Lucky... 0]

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Their celebration had nothing to do with sportsmanship and most people agree that there was nothing wrong with their actions.

Most peopel in an online posting board? WOW, you are shooting high. But the girls admitted they were wrong and so do the rules, the codified rules or the essence of sportsmanship rules, so you ahve been trumped as far as your, "Guys on the skydive forum say it's ok." What you're doin g is transposing your thoughts and trying to pull others in to reinforce your opinion.

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The apology they offered was expected. Since the IOC makes the rules and can interpret them anyway they see fit, the team had no choice.

Right, as you're saying, those pesky rules in place of the guys on the forum and their oh-so valuable opinions. It must be a hoot to watch you fight a traffic ticket: "But your honor, everyone else was speeding too." ROFLOL.

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It was either apologize or face the possibility of losing their medal.

I don't see it as a revocation issue, I see it as an issue that could result in public admonishment if tehy didn't admit they broke the rules that the guys in this club disagree with.

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Yes, the NFL has rules about excessive celebration. But those are for during the game. Ever watch the end of a Superbowl? Final game of a World Series? Stanley Cup? Rose Bowl? BCS national championship game?

Again, apples/oramges = olympics to pro sports. I don't see anything wrong with pro teams pouring champagne on each other after the World Series, but I do for any celebration that is out of the ordinary for any olympic event, perhaps most collegiate events too. BTW, the pro leagues can punish for acts that are considerd excessive too, but there are tons more lattitude for them than for the olympics as it could lead to international strife.

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The only thing these girls did that was different was wait until the place was empty, which I see as a great show of respect to their opponent.

Nah, maybe you and the fellers at the corner store, but international rules are apparently too intrinsic for you to grasp.