Gawain 0 #1 February 25, 2010 Hmmm...a dog and pony show on TV...same bill that has already been beaten to death, and largely opposed by the populace. The President and the Democrat leadership in Congress refuse to start with a clean slate...and actually create something that has to do with insurance reform... So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #2 February 25, 2010 Looks like the Repubs are going into this with a paranoid attitude. They think it's all a "trap". http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/02/09/gop-wary-obama-health-trap/ Douchebags. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #3 February 25, 2010 QuoteLooks like the Repubs are going into this with a paranoid attitude. They think it's all a "trap". http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/02/09/gop-wary-obama-health-trap/ Douchebags. Tell us then, why should they think any differently when an Obama staffer stated it was a media show only?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #4 February 25, 2010 Quote Hmmm...a dog and pony show on TV...same bill that has already been beaten to death, and largely opposed by the populace. The President and the Democrat leadership in Congress refuse to start with a clean slate...and actually create something that has to do with insurance reform... They haven't listened to the public yet, what makes you think they miraculously will, now?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #5 February 25, 2010 Quote Quote Hmmm...a dog and pony show on TV...same bill that has already been beaten to death, and largely opposed by the populace. The President and the Democrat leadership in Congress refuse to start with a clean slate...and actually create something that has to do with insurance reform... They haven't listened to the public yet, what makes you think they miraculously will, now? They will not. why would Obama and his media lose a good talking point"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #6 February 25, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Hmmm...a dog and pony show on TV...same bill that has already been beaten to death, and largely opposed by the populace. The President and the Democrat leadership in Congress refuse to start with a clean slate...and actually create something that has to do with insurance reform... They haven't listened to the public yet, what makes you think they miraculously will, now? They will not. why would Obama and his media lose a good talking point So you think it's "a trap", too. Gotcha. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #7 February 25, 2010 Andy: Whom do you think can be trusted in this? The President cannot be tursted. Congress really cannot be trusted. Again, as I've said repeatedly, what it the purpose of this health-care change now? What is the public opinion? Under 30% still want it? What's to gain? Who will be the winner? I can think of one - unions. They supported the President. They want this to make it easier to unionize the whole nation's system. Politics is about who will win and who will lose. Just look at who will win. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #8 February 25, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Hmmm...a dog and pony show on TV...same bill that has already been beaten to death, and largely opposed by the populace. The President and the Democrat leadership in Congress refuse to start with a clean slate...and actually create something that has to do with insurance reform... They haven't listened to the public yet, what makes you think they miraculously will, now? They will not. why would Obama and his media lose a good talking point So you think it's "a trap", too. Gotcha. In the sense that there is nothing to be gained for the R's Obama and the Dems definition of comprimise is "you agree with us or you are being partisan""America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #9 February 25, 2010 Quote They haven't listened to the public yet, what makes you think they miraculously will, now? It's an even year. (ie, elections are coming) Consider it his last attempt to sell it to the public. If they're still not buying, he'd be wise to move on. Though I suppose if he figures he's fucked in November anyway, get it passed now. However, I'd be surprised if they think their prognosis is that bleak to give up the election now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #10 February 25, 2010 QuoteObama and the Dems definition of comprimise is "you agree with us or you are being partisan" As opposed to the Republicans' definition, which is... Oh wait, it's exactly the same. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hwt 0 #11 February 25, 2010 The meeting is half way over (lunch) and the commentators on CNN say the republicans truly look like they came prepared.. but to answer your question , i would say no ..especially after Nancy Pelosi said "The American people can't wait for a new bill" even though this bill doesn't help anyone until 2014 .. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #12 February 25, 2010 Anybody else watching the show? Coments?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #13 February 25, 2010 Quote The meeting is half way over (lunch) and the commentators on CNN say the republicans truly look like they came prepared.. but to answer your question , i would say no ..especially after Nancy Pelosi said "The American people can't wait for a new bill" even though this bill doesn't help anyone until 2014 .. Oops, didnt see your post until after mine the R's are very well prepared and with half the time the Dems have had to talk they are more than holding thier own"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #14 February 25, 2010 Quote Hmmm...a dog and pony show on TV...same bill that has already been beaten to death, and largely opposed by the populace. The President and the Democrat leadership in Congress refuse to start with a clean slate...and actually create something that has to do with insurance reform... "> Quote Hmmm...a dog and pony show on TV...same bill that has already been beaten to death, and largely opposed by the populace. The President and the Democrat leadership in Congress refuse to start with a clean slate...and actually create something that has to do with insurance reform... So what if Obama and the Dems ram this through . Remember this: “I earned capital, political capital, and now I intend to spend it” — Bush news conference, 4 November Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #15 February 27, 2010 I voted yes in your poll. Something good will come out of this. This summit will demonstrate that Obama, et. al., aren't worthy of being our leaders. Obama and his people truly believe they are the only ones capable of making life decisions for people. People, in Obama's view, are simply not capable of making their own rational decisions. That is complete and utter bullshit, and every responsible adult in America will now see it for what it is.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #16 February 27, 2010 Quote Whom do you think can be trusted in this? The President cannot be tursted. Congress really cannot be trusted. Riiiiight, becaused they won't let the rich lawyers hang on to all their cash w/o taxing it, so they can't be trusted. Quote Again, as I've said repeatedly, what it the purpose of this health-care change now? Because the party you belong to that is a spinoff of the Republican Party has fucked this up and blocked it for years. Quote What is the public opinion? Under 30% still want it? What's to gain? I wonder what the public opinion of slavery abolition was? How about handicapped parking spots? How about speed limits? See, public opnion means shit, the unprotected must be protected regardless if the masses disapprove. Quote Who will be the winner? I can think of one - unions. They supported the President. They want this to make it easier to unionize the whole nation's system. Here come the black helicopters. Unions in teh private sector have been stomped virtually out and that's not enough? Yea, you're not a Republican . Quote Politics is about who will win and who will lose. Just look at who will win. Yea, teh people who will be able to get cheaper HC or HC at all. See, if you and your sister party weren't so busy denying, then we wouldn't be here. The best approach is to beat them down, not out; your extremist party has beat many people out and now thsi is the backlash you may have to deal with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #17 February 27, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Hmmm...a dog and pony show on TV...same bill that has already been beaten to death, and largely opposed by the populace. The President and the Democrat leadership in Congress refuse to start with a clean slate...and actually create something that has to do with insurance reform... They haven't listened to the public yet, what makes you think they miraculously will, now? They will not. why would Obama and his media lose a good talking point So you think it's "a trap", too. Gotcha. In the sense that there is nothing to be gained for the R's Obama and the REPUBS definition of comprimise is "you agree with us or you are being partisan" *fixed it* And..... enough about the tax cuts put thru via reconcilliation almost 10 years ago by the Republicans. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #18 February 27, 2010 QuoteQuote They haven't listened to the public yet, what makes you think they miraculously will, now? It's an even year. (ie, elections are coming) Consider it his last attempt to sell it to the public. If they're still not buying, he'd be wise to move on. Though I suppose if he figures he's fucked in November anyway, get it passed now. However, I'd be surprised if they think their prognosis is that bleak to give up the election now. So all the Dems in congress think that passing it over the last year as they did would have a different election outcome than passing it now? It makes absolutley no sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #19 February 27, 2010 Quote I voted yes in your poll. Something good will come out of this. This summit will demonstrate that Obama, et. al., aren't worthy of being our leaders. Obama and his people truly believe they are the only ones capable of making life decisions for people. People, in Obama's view, are simply not capable of making their own rational decisions. That is complete and utter bullshit, and every responsible adult in America will now see it for what it is. And those adults who don't see it your way are simply not responsible. Even if the crap you wrote about Obama not being fit to be a leader were believed, what's teh other choice(s)? The Repugs who have clearly shown they will double, triple the debt and favor the rich? The Libertarians who are just too busy smoking dope to understand anything but how to open the chip bag and flip channels? Your case really isn't strong, esp when you look at recent economic data. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #20 March 2, 2010 Quote They haven't listened to the public yet, what makes you think they miraculously will, now? True. Very true. I'm waiting for the public option that the majority of the public supports. i guess I'll have to settle for this right of center crap that is being pushed at the moment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #21 March 2, 2010 QuoteQuote They haven't listened to the public yet, what makes you think they miraculously will, now? True. Very true. I'm waiting for the public option that the majority of the public supports. i guess I'll have to settle for this right of center crap that is being pushed at the moment. Post your current poll please"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #22 March 2, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote They haven't listened to the public yet, what makes you think they miraculously will, now? True. Very true. I'm waiting for the public option that the majority of the public supports. i guess I'll have to settle for this right of center crap that is being pushed at the moment. Post your current poll please I'll even keep it in your back yard. http://iowaindependent.com/28532/poll-majority-of-iowans-favor-public-insurance-option Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #23 March 2, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote They haven't listened to the public yet, what makes you think they miraculously will, now? True. Very true. I'm waiting for the public option that the majority of the public supports. i guess I'll have to settle for this right of center crap that is being pushed at the moment. Post your current poll please I'll even keep it in your back yard. http://iowaindependent.com/28532/poll-majority-of-iowans-favor-public-insurance-option Wanting hC reform vs the public option or any of the specifics in the current bill is a much different thing and is shown to poll much differently and iowa has been very left as of late"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #24 March 2, 2010 Quote Wanting hC reform vs the public option or any of the specifics in the current bill is a much different thing and is shown to poll much differently Man, you sure are a fast reader. Read it, looked at the questions, disseminated the information and came up with a non-preconceived reply in record time there Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #25 March 2, 2010 Quote Quote Wanting hC reform vs the public option or any of the specifics in the current bill is a much different thing and is shown to poll much differently Man, you sure are a fast reader. Read it, looked at the questions, disseminated the information and came up with a non-preconceived reply in record time there Marc I read it and the questions I do read very fast That is part of what messes up my typing And Harkin is a dick and he still garners the support of the aging population here The ass needs to go along with Boswell Grassey is showing sings of needing to retire too In the end I would want to closely look over the demographics of the poll as I dont think it shows the true feeling of the state"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
