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Puerto Ricans ARE Americans (i.e. US Citizens).

Yes they are. What is your point?

Same as YOUR point in including Puerto Ricans in your list? Why not pick on Minnesotans or Wisconsinites? Plenty of them in FL. Oh yes, they're white.

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Puerto Ricans ARE Americans (i.e. US Citizens).

Yes they are. What is your point?

Same as YOUR point in including Puerto Ricans in your list? Why not pick on Minnesotans or Wisconsinites? Plenty of them in FL. Oh yes, they're white.

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[RonD1120 62]

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Same as YOUR point in including Puerto Ricans in your list? Why not pick on Minnesotans or Wisconsinites? Plenty of them in FL. Oh yes, they're white.

They are not minorities. Who cares about the WASP's? On this forum they are an endangered and hunted species. The others must be protected not sunk into the Atlantic/Caribbean.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[Andy9o8 2]

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Who cares about the WASP's? On this forum they are an endangered and hunted species.

Ron, we understand all the various groups you don't like. Really, we get it. But if you're going to start taking the "war on straight, white Christians" line, it really does insult our intelligence. You guys aren't being downtrodden; it's just that, unlike 50 years ago, you simply have to share some space.

[RonD1120 62]

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[Airman1270 0]

...Ron, we understand all the various groups you don't like. Really, we get it. But if you're going to start taking the "war on straight, white Christians" line, it really does insult our intelligence...
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THIS IS PRICELESS! Oh the irony... You're accusing Ron of hating various groups of people, then go on to claim there is no "war" on straight, white Christians. This offensive accusation is a blatant example of the attacks (war) against Christians and anyone else who does not habitually vote for left-wing candidates.

How does Ron explain that he does NOT hate people, as you claim, without his explanation being interpreted as "preaching" and the conversation being derailed down that path?

Other random examples of the war against Americans who hole traditional moral/cultural views:


The kid who is told by his teacher not to pray at lunch;

The school that allows the chess club use of the bulletin board but denies access to the Bible club;

Left-wing totalitarian laws which criminalize the landlord who would rather not rent to unmarried couples;

The guy who offers his opinion on current events, just as his co-workers do, but is reprimanded or fired because his opinion is based on a traditional Biblical world view;

The growing segment of society that has had very little exposure to the Bible, but has been conditioned to react in a knee-jerk negative manner when the subject is brought up.


Did you hear about the recent case where a Christian guy was fired after he told his lesbian supervisor that he was not interested in hearing the details of her private life? If he had been the one yammering on & on about his "lover" and she didn't want to hear it, HR would have reprimanded/fired him for making her "uncomfortable" and creating a "hostile environment."

(Side note: During the interview with the victim the news anchor kept using cliched terminology, such as asking him if he had been "prosyletizing," etc. The guy was not media savvy and didn't articulate very well, so I'll do it: "No, Mr. Reporter, look at the facts. It was the supervisor who was prosyletizing, repeatedly discussing her immoral personal life with someone who didn't care and took no interest and had asked that she stop. She brought up the subject of gay "marriage," asking his opinion, then sought to punish him for holding to the normal time-honored definition of the word. For this he lost his job. Where is the sense of professional righteous indignation regarding the way this guy was treated?")

Since homosexuality is the catalyst for this thread I'll present my credentials: I like Broadway show tunes. My family was involved with a theater group on Long Island. I was interacting with gays before I knew what it meant. I never had a problem with them. My school years were typical among those of us who were targets of troublemakers and I could relate to people who just wanted to be left alone.

(This summed up the gay political "agenda," to the extent that there was one: Just leave us alone. Kinda sums up my political agenda today.)

In summer 1980 I worked in the gay community of Cherry Grove on Fire Island, NY. My attitude hasn't changed, but the people who were calling me open-minded and tolerant 30 years ago are calling me a bigot today and I don't appreciate it.

Cheers,
Jon

[billvon 3,116]

> This offensive accusation is a blatant example of the attacks (war) against Christians . . .

Right. There's a War on Christmas, a War on Christians and a War on Christianity. I can see for myself how the secular humanists have taken over the government every time I drive past the federally funded Easter Cross on Mount Soledad. I feel the pain of all those poor, oppressed Christians every Christmas when the entire US government shuts down in honor of the Birth of Christ. You can really see how much the US hates Christians when you recite the Pledge of Allegiance or read the words on our money.

And of course the worst offense of all - the Sunday federal holiday that honors the Christian tradition of Sunday as a day of rest. I'm telling you, if the US government honors Christ in just one more way, it will be the death of Christianity in America.

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...I can see for myself how the secular humanists have taken over the government every time I drive past the federally funded Easter Cross on Mount Soledad...
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You dismissed the examples I mentioned of Christians & other traditional Americans having been abused by secular policies. Just ignored them. Meanwhile you think a memorial cross on a hill, or ceremonial observance of the nation's Christian heritage, somehow violates your rights, or at least is equally dangerous & offensive.

Amazing.

It is precisely this kind of thinking that led to people being packed into boxcars.

Cheers,
Jon

[jakee 1,595]

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THIS IS PRICELESS! Oh the irony... You're accusing Ron of hating various groups of people, then go on to claim there is no "war" on straight, white Christians. This offensive accusation is a blatant example of the attacks (war) against Christians and anyone else who does not habitually vote for left-wing candidates.

There is no war on straight white Chritstians. The accusation was against Ron personally. You may think you are a poor, oppressed majority, but in fact only one part of that statement is correct.

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Did you hear about the recent case where a Christian guy was fired after he told his lesbian supervisor that he was not interested in hearing the details of her private life? If he had been the one yammering on & on about his "lover" and she didn't want to hear it, HR would have reprimanded/fired him for making her "uncomfortable" and creating a "hostile environment."

(Side note: During the interview with the victim the news anchor kept using cliched terminology, such as asking him if he had been "prosyletizing," etc. The guy was not media savvy and didn't articulate very well, so I'll do it: "No, Mr. Reporter, look at the facts. It was the supervisor who was prosyletizing, repeatedly discussing her immoral personal life with someone who didn't care and took no interest and had asked that she stop. She brought up the subject of gay "marriage," asking his opinion, then sought to punish him for holding to the normal time-honored definition of the word. For this he lost his job. Where is the sense of professional righteous indignation regarding the way this guy was treated?")

Ok. now, assuming that a) you haven't made it up and b) the one side of the story presented is accurate - you've still only got one case.

That's not a war, that's just a bitch.

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(This summed up the gay political "agenda," to the extent that there was one: Just leave us alone. Kinda sums up my political agenda today.)

Problem is, you think that gays 'leaving you alone' means hiding away and never, ever mentioning their private lives. You're painting yourself as a victim when you're nothing of the sort.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,595]

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Meanwhile you think a memorial cross on a hill, or ceremonial observance of the nation's Christian heritage, somehow violates your rights, or at least is equally dangerous & offensive.

I don't think Bill much cares about them, actually - he's just countering your ludicrous "war on Christians" paranoia.

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Amazing.

It is precisely this kind of thinking that led to people being packed into boxcars.

Yes, that was it. It was the secular minority rising up against the Jewish ruling majority in Germany that... Oh - Hang on a minute, it wasn't that at all. Silly me.

It was the insecurities of the white Christian majority that were played upon, painting the minorities as sneaky usurpers who were working to overturn the traditional way of life.


(Oh, and for a bonus point, and strictly because you brought it up, perhaps you could tell us which condition would have got you put into an aforesaid Boxcar; being Christian or being gay?)

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Right. There's a War on Christmas, a War on Christians and a War on Christianity.

If they're effective as the War on Drugs and the War on Poverty I'd say there's not too much to worry about.

[Andy9o8 2]

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It is precisely this kind of thinking that led to people being packed into boxcars.

Bravo! You've won the debate.

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Did you hear about the recent case where a Christian guy was fired after he told his lesbian supervisor that he was not interested in hearing the details of her private life? If he had been the one yammering on & on about his "lover" and she didn't want to hear it, HR would have reprimanded/fired him for making her "uncomfortable" and creating a "hostile environment...."


Ok. now, assuming that a) you haven't made it up and b) the one side of the story presented is accurate - you've still only got one case...
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If I hadn't mention it, you would have claimed that I was making things up because I didn't provide any examples. Here I provided a recent example and you're dismissing it as irrelevant because I haven't provided any others.

Secular logic is so cute.

Earlier in the thread I mentioned the Georgia woman
who sought a position with the state Attorney General's office, volunteered that she was queer, didn't get the job, then sued, claiming
"discrimination." The fact that she 1) even thought a lawsuit was appropriate, 2) a lawyer was willing to take the case, and 3) a judge did not immediately dismiss the case and reprimand the attorney for wasting court time is yet more evidence of the war against traditional Americans.

A short list of other examples would include the determination on the part of the entertainement industry to keep writing gay characters into TV & movie scripts (always portraying them as sympathetic victims of society's flawed moral code,) or those cross-dressing fruitcakes who invade churches and interrupt services.

Oh, by the way, did you hear that they're trying to change the definition of "marriage?"

How many more examples do you need?

Close eyes, stick fingers in ears, and make a loud noise. Keep pretending it's not really happening.

Cheers,
Jon

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those cross-dressing fruitcakes who invade churches and interrupt services.

I've heard about that epidemic. Vaccinate!

[jakee 1,595]

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If I hadn't mention it, you would have claimed that I was making things up because I didn't provide any examples. Here I provided a recent example and you're dismissing it as irrelevant because I haven't provided any others.

Yeah, because it's one example. Sparrow, summer, not, etc.

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Earlier in the thread I mentioned the Georgia woman
who sought a position with the state Attorney General's office, volunteered that she was queer, didn't get the job, then sued, claiming
"discrimination." The fact that she 1) even thought a lawsuit was appropriate, 2) a lawyer was willing to take the case, and 3) a judge did not immediately dismiss the case and reprimand the attorney for wasting court time is yet more evidence of the war against traditional Americans.

So, a man is fired and he says it was because he doesn't like gays, and this is evidence of a war on Christians.

A woman is fired and she says it is because she is gay, and this is also evidence of a war on Christians.

Right.

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How many more examples do you need?

For your rants to make sense? Quite a few!

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Close eyes, stick fingers in ears, and make a loud noise. Keep pretending it's not really happening.

Hide under couch, whimper. Keep pretending they're coming to get you.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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who sought a position with the state Attorney General's office, volunteered that she was queer, didn't get the job, then sued, claiming
"discrimination."

is this the case you're talking about? cut and paste from a google search.

Summer was starting and Robin Shahar had it made. She'd graduated sixth in her class at Emory Law School and was getting ready to start a new job as a staff attorney at the legal office where she'd worked as a law clerk the previous summer. And she was in love and preparing to solemnify her commitment in a Jewish ceremony that July.

But Shahar's love was a woman, and when her new employer found out about her plans, he withdrew the job offer. He wrote that he was doing so specifically because of the "purported marriage between you and another woman," explaining that "inaction on my part would constitute tacit approval of this purported marriage and jeopardize the proper functioning of this office."

Shahar wanted to fight, but she faced an uphill battle: She lived in Georgia, one of 30 states with no law protecting gays and lesbians from employment discrimination. Even more daunting, her prospective employer was Michael Bowers, Georgia's Attorney General at the time.

here's the link, just in case you want to actually read about the cases you cite. maybe it's just me, but this actually does sound like she was discriminated against. if this is the case you're talking about, you're not being very honest.

http://www.ahealthyme.com/topic/sexordiscrim

while i was looking for a case that might match what you were talking about, i found a couple other sites. these were all in relation to proposed legislation: The Employment Non Discrimination Act (ENDA)

* A Georgia woman was fired from her job as an award-winning cook when her company adopted a written policy against employing gay people.
* A married, heterosexual Kansas man was refused a teaching job because a school employee suggested that he might be gay.
* A Detroit postal worker was harassed and beaten at work because of his perceived sexual orientation and was told by a federal court that, although he had clearly suffered discrimination, "homosexuality is not an impermissible criteria (sic) on which to discriminate" under Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Dillon v. Frank, 959 F2d 403 (6th Cir. 1992)

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yet more evidence of the war against traditional Americans.

yeah, sounds just like that...

would you believe that your use of the word "queer" is what made me think your information might not be correct? are you the same guy who claimed to work with gay people one summer, but are angry cuz now you're being called a bigot? didn't learn much tolerance, huh? certainly you didn't develop any respect, if you're still ok using that term. if you have it in you to reply, could you also tell us who constitutes "traditional americans"? i think homosexuality has been around for quite a while, even gets quite a discussion in your favorite book. america was made up originally of a lot of outcasts from other places, and i'm guessing homosexuals have been in america since it was first called america. by "traditional", do you mean people from your church group?

Say what you mean. Do what you say.

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Did you hear about the recent case where a Christian guy was fired after he told his lesbian supervisor that he was not interested in hearing the details of her private life? If he had been the one yammering on & on about his "lover" and she didn't want to hear it, HR would have reprimanded/fired him for making her "uncomfortable" and creating a "hostile environment."

can you give me some more details about this case? i'd like to do some research.

Say what you mean. Do what you say.

[Andy9o8 2]

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Did you hear about the recent case where a Christian guy was fired after he told his lesbian supervisor that he was not interested in hearing the details of her private life? If he had been the one yammering on & on about his "lover" and she didn't want to hear it, HR would have reprimanded/fired him for making her "uncomfortable" and creating a "hostile environment."

can you give me some more details about this case? i'd like to do some research.

Didja hear the one where the priest, rabbi and gorilla all walk into the bar.... The gorilla, of course, orders a banana daiquiri. The priest ..... oh, wait, thread drift. Never mind.

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if i don't hear the rest of that joke, i might never recover....

Say what you mean. Do what you say.

[billvon 3,116]

>You dismissed the examples I mentioned of Christians & other traditional
>Americans having been abused by secular policies.

I dismissed your one-off examples of idiots abusing people. Far more Christian idiots abuse non-Christians than vice versa. (That's not because they are inherently more idiotic, there are just more Christians.)

As for specific policies, you've got nothing. Your one policy example was the landlord oppressed by unfair policies. Yep; many can't discriminate against blacks or handicapped tenants either.

So unless you're going to support resegregation, that's not really a valid complaint.

>Meanwhile you think a memorial cross on a hill, or ceremonial observance
> of the nation's Christian heritage, somehow violates your rights, or at
>least is equally dangerous & offensive.

Nope, I have no problem with it provided people are free to not participate and we don't spend government money on any one specific religion to the exclusion to others.

But it does make your complaint that Christians are discriminated against look pretty absurd.

[billvon 3,116]

>Earlier in the thread I mentioned the Georgia woman
>who sought a position with the state Attorney General's office . . .

And on the other side you have Christian nutjobs who murder doctors. I'm more worried about the murderers myself.

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...your use of the word "queer" is what made me think your information might not be correct? are you the same guy who claimed to work with gay people one summer, but are angry cuz now you're being called a bigot?...
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The case did indeed involve Robin S. My information was accurate. She wanted the job. She volunteered that she was a queer. She was not hired. She sued.

I have applied for jobs and was not hired, but I never considered the courts an appropriate response.

Yes I am angry at being called a bigot because it is not true. You can call me a guitar player or a skydiver or a broadcaster or a pizza guy or a non-teetotaler, or a father or a guy who likes anchovies and I won't be offended because it is true.

If you call me a doctor or an air traffic controller or a teenager or a meth addict or a cross-dressing fruitcake or a USPA "coach" or a queer I will be offended because it's not true. Especially after I have explained that it's not true but, for whatever reason. you continue to pursue this ficticious slander.

And please don't get your panties in a wad about the word queer. It simply means "unusual." I don't do political correctness.

Cheers,
Jon

[billvon 3,116]

>I have applied for jobs and was not hired, but I never considered the
>courts an appropriate response.

OK. Let's turn this around.

You are hired for a job that you are qualified for. You show up for the first day of work, and your supervisor sees you wearing a cross. He tells you "you're not welcome here; no doctor-killers are going to work for me." You are then told you no longer have the job.

Would you be OK with that?

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And on the other side you have Christian nutjobs who murder doctors...
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Oh. Atheists never commit murder?

Ever hear about the delightful people who ran Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, China, Cuba, etc. Hint: Atheists.

Secular totalitarian murders: Millions.

Victims of abortion clinic violence: Several dozen, if that.

Cheers,
Jon

[billvon 3,116]

>Oh. Atheists never commit murder?

Yes, they do.

Now, for the second time:

You are hired for a job that you are qualified for. You show up for the first day of work, and your supervisor sees you wearing a cross. He tells you "you're not welcome here; no doctor-killers are going to work for me." You are then told you no longer have the job.

Would you be OK with that?