Firearms stolen; media paints owner as criminal

[CanuckInUSA 0]

Unbelievable how the media works.

A gun collector has an abnormally large cache of firearms in his apartment, but the gun collector is a law abiding citizen, the gun collector possesses the appropriate firearms license, the gun collector registered all their firearms and the gun collector properly stored all of their firearms as the laws require them to be stored. Then the gun collector goes out of town on a vacation and some criminal decides to break into this persons apartment to steal some stuff.

Now who do you think the media would pursue as the criminal? The person breaking into the apartment? or the law abiding gun collector? You guessed it. The media paints the gun collector as the criminal all because they have large collection of legally registered firearms.

Here is a link to the media's video news story:

http://citynews.video.citytv.com/video/68054247001/Guns-Seized-From-Downtown-Apartment/

PS: You know what is really stupid about this story? The police say they do not know how many firearms were stolen. But wait a second, all the firearms were legally registered. WTF did we pay 2 billion dollars for with the "Gun Registry"? Shouldn't the police be able to just query the database and compare the results with the firearms they found in the apartment? Unbelievable how useless some of these government programs can be. 2 friggin billion dollars and this is what we get?

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[billvon 3,120]

>Now who do you think the media would pursue as the criminal? The
>person breaking into the apartment? or the law abiding gun collector?

"They were legally owned and stored"
"Police are asking residents to think back to see if there's anything they can remember that will help in this investigation."

It's pretty clear they are pursuing the thief.

That being said, if it turns out that the collector is storing them carelessly, then he may not be the law-abiding gun collector you make him out to be.

>The police say they do not know how many firearms were stolen. But
>wait a second, all the firearms were legally registered.

Right. And how long would it take you to identify and catalog 450 unlabeled guns then compare it against a list of registered guns? A few seconds? Five minutes? Or might it take you hours to get the list, cross reference all the guns, determine which the absent owner had with him, then determine which were missing?

[CanuckInUSA 0]

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if it turns out that the collector is storing them carelessly, then he may not be the law-abiding gun collector you make him out to be.

I see you are just like the media and all too happy to paint this collector as a criminal. You must believe in the moto "Guilty before proven innocent". Hey did you notice the large number of firearms the police were taking out of the apartment? Might this be a clue to you that these firearms were actually stored the way they were supposed to be stored as required by law? If this gun collector was guilty, wouldn't the police be carrying little to nothing out of the apartment? For all we know, no firearms were stolen. But that does not stop the media from reporting the garbage as only they can do.

BTW ... the Gun Registry is a useless 2 billion dollar piece of junk. Criminals DO NO register their weapons. But that never stopped the media from reporting their garbage and never stopped the nanny state lemmings from believing this junk.

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[Andy9o8 2]

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I see you are just like the media and all too happy to paint this collector as a criminal. You must believe in the moto "Guilty before proven innocent".

Factual accuracy - Zero.
Demagoguery - priceless.

[billvon 3,120]

>I see you are just like the media and all too happy to paint this collector as a criminal.

That's a big WHOOSH going out to our friend in Canada.

>Hey did you notice the large number of firearms the police were taking
>out of the apartment?

Yep. Glad that they have police that will do that, instead of leaving them lying around a burgled apartment with the owner not home.

What would you have preferred?

"Hey Joe, look at that. The door all busted in and guns everywhere."
"Yeah, look at that. Hey! You kid! Get out of there!"
"Naah, Joe, leave him be. I'm sure all those guns are secure. He's a law abiding citizen and we have no right to touch his stuff."
"You're right. Let's just leave it all lying there and go get a donut."
"NOW you're talking!"

(three days pass and the owner calls)

"What? Someone took even more of your guns after the first breakin? Gee, we never saw that coming. Nothing we could have done, sorry."

>Might this be a clue to you that these firearms were actually stored the
> way they were supposed to be stored as required by law?

So the easier it is to get guns out of an apartment without the owner being present, the better they are stored? Might want to check that logic.

>For all we know, no firearms were stolen

From the report -
witness: "Someone broke in to steal the guns"
reporter: "now they have to figure out how many were stolen"
cop: "the number of handguns taken - the exact number - is unknown"

[CanuckInUSA 0]

You are making a whole lot of assumptions there Mr Von Novak. First off my beef is with the media not the police. Secondly do you even know the existing firearm laws in Canada? Or do you like to make false assumptions in order to further your agenda?

Some of the firearms seen in this story are "non-restricted" meaning that they needed to be stored unloaded and using one form of a locking device. This means they could have been locked in a secure cabinet or locked with a trigger guard or action locking device. But the majority of the firearms seen in the story fall under the "restricted" class meaning they need to be unloaded and locked with two security devices. They needed to be locked in a secure cabinet plus have a trigger lock or action lock installed. The police said "the firearms were legally registered and properly stored". This leads me to assume the police knew ahead of time exactly what firearms were legally allowed to be at this residence and that the gun collector had most if not all their firearms locked in a series of security cabinets (how secure they actually were I can not tell you). My assumptions could prove to be as false just as your assumptions that firearms were just lying around the apartment could be false. I have not seen the inside of this person's apartment, you have not seen it nor has the media seen it. Only the police, the resident and the friends of the resident know how the firearms were stored. But that does not stop you from writing rhetoric about how you are speculating these firearms are just laying around the apartment free for anyone to take.

We do not even know if a single firearm was stolen. What you are going to believe everything the media tells you? All we know is that a criminal broke into this residence, this crime was noticed by a friend of the residence who was out of town, the friend did what any responsible friend would do, they called the police and then the media vultures showed up to push their own agenda of how evil it was that this man liked to collect firearms.

There are details about this crime that you do not know about, nor do I know about. Only the owner of the gun collection and the police know the details. But what we have here is the "I hate guns" media telling the world their bias lies and you know since this is from Toronto (home of the Leftist Marxists nanny state lemmings) the people will believe the garbage the media is feeding them about what a crime it was that this collector had all these firearms.

Actually I do have a small beef with the police. They never should have talked to the media. They should have just gone about their business of investigating the scene of the crime. But who am I kidding, since when has the Canadian Justice System ever cared about actually going after the criminals. This is after all the only country in the world where you can admit in open court that you built the bomb that blew up an airplane killing 300+ people, yet still be allowed to walk as a free man in society.

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[pbwing 0]

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You are making a whole lot of assumptions...

The police said "the firearms were legally registered and properly stored".

What you are going to believe everything the media tells you?

Do you have another link to this article? The CityNews video that you provided is the only one I could find.

That video does not quote the police as saying they were all legal and stored properly. Remember, don't believe everything the media tells you.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

This could be from the same crime, hard to tell. But the two sound the same. This print story is short on details except to say that it sounds like the police now know what is missing and that the gun collector was obeying the existing laws.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2009/02/13/8375296-sun.html

It's unknown how the the criminal came to know what was stored in the apartment. But what is known is that the Gun Registry has been breached in the past by hackers and even the RCMP has freely given out the data in the registry to a polling firm. This Gun Registry is just been a huge waste of tax payers money. It has not stopped gun crimes and it is possible that data breached from the registry through hackers could have helped contribute to this crime (but I am only speculating this).

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[billvon 3,120]

>Or do you like to make false assumptions in order to further your agenda?

You should get that knee looked at before you hurt yourself.

> But that does not stop you from writing rhetoric about how you are
>speculating these firearms are just laying around the apartment free for
>anyone to take.

You don't know either. But that doesn't stop you from making potentially false assumptions to further your right wing agenda.

>What you are going to believe everything the media tells you?

Apparently you do!

But in this case I believe the cop.

>They never should have talked to the media. They should have just
>gone about their business of investigating the scene of the crime.

Part of their job is talking to the media. Heck, you'd be screaming bloody murder if a crime had been stopped by this guy carrying his own gun and they DIDN'T report it. You'd probably claim that the Toronto Leftist Marxists nanny state lemmings were trying to suppress it.

A crime was reported, the police responded. They found guns and so they took them, likely until the owner could be located and the theft verified. His neighbor doesn't like guns. Doesn't sound like an evil left wing media plot to me.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

My beef is with the media not the police.

All indications are that the gun collector is a law abiding citizen who happened to like spending a heck of a lot of money on their firearm collection. Last time I checked as long as the gun collector is licensed, registers their firearms and follows the laws on how these firearms are stored, they are legally allowed to possess firearms in their residence. In light of this I choose to stand up for the rights of this person and now I am labeled as someone who has a right wing agenda? Well if standing up to the media and their bias reporting is right wing, I guess I should be looking for a job on the right wing of my local hockey team.

We may never learn how the criminal came to their knowledge that this apartment had a cache of firearms in it. It is possible it was a random break in (not likely), it is possible the criminal was aware of what was in the apartment through word of mouth. But it is also possible that the criminal obtained this information through someone who has hacked into the Gun Registry. If standing up and saying the Gun Registry is a joke and has not done anything towards stopping gun crimes is a right wing agenda? Well I guess I should be looking for a job on the right wing of my local hockey team.

The media vultures who handled this story from the original post are painting the wrong person as the bad guy.

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[pbwing 0]

C'mon...

Who here said anything about you having a right wing agenda.

Seriously, it seems in every post where you go on about the left, or the CBC, or Toronto, you take such extreme tangents.

Sure. Blame the media. Better yet, blame CityTV and their sensationalistic view of news. But to contiue to bash a city of 2.2 million (or 5.5 if you think the entire GTA) as being marxist, you really don't come across as rational.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

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it seems in every post where you go on about the left, or the CBC, or Toronto

I don't always blame Toronto.

but yes you got me on the Lefties and the CBC ... guilty as charged.

Once again it is the media (CityTV in this case) I am ticked off at.

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[billvon 3,120]

>All indications are that the gun collector is a law abiding citizen who
>happened to like spending a heck of a lot of money on their firearm
>collection. Last time I checked as long as the gun collector is licensed,
>registers their firearms and follows the laws on how these firearms are
>stored, they are legally allowed to possess firearms in their residence.

Agreed.

>In light of this I choose to stand up for the rights of this person and now
>I am labeled as someone who has a right wing agenda?

You labeled me as someone who was "making false assumptions to further my agenda." (I didn't even know I had one.) So I was poking fun at you.

>The media vultures who handled this story from the original post are
>painting the wrong person as the bad guy.

?? The reporter never said anything like that; indeed, they pointed out that his firearms were legal. (Present in amazing quantities, but legal.) However, his two neighbors did indeed paint him as a scary guy. Why are you mad at the media and not them?

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

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>The media vultures who handled this story from the original post are
>painting the wrong person as the bad guy.

?? The reporter never said anything like that; indeed, they pointed out that his firearms were legal. (Present in amazing quantities, but legal.) However, his two neighbors did indeed paint him as a scary guy. Why are you mad at the media and not them?

The news story started off, not with a comment about the burgulary, nor a comment about the police having to do a lot of manual labor, but with the comment about how much the neighbor hates guns.

And they made a comment about "equipping a small army".

Like a lot of news stories (the NRA has stats on it) the media paints guns as "bad" more often than not.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[billvon 3,120]

>not with a comment about the burgulary, nor a comment about the police
>having to do a lot of manual labor, but with the comment about how
>much the neighbor hates guns.

Right - and they then showed said crazy neighbor talking about how much she hates guns. If the person had loved guns, and was just as crazy, they would have used that.

Right after that the reporter noted that the guns were legal and properly stored. Why would he say that if he wanted to paint him as "bad?"

>And they made a comment about "equipping a small army".

Right. And again, if it had been an old lady's apartment that was broken into and the police had found 100 cats, 70 dogs, 10 parrots, a bunch of snakes and some guinea pigs, they would have called it a "zoo" or something. Doesn't mean they hate animals - just means they're using a descriptive term for dramatic effect.

I think people get too sensitive about this stuff sometimes. The media wants to sell commercial time over everything else; that's what drives most of what they do. The fears of an secret liberal-controlled media trying to warp society to their evil will is as silly as the fears of a Saudi-controlled right wing media machine trying to drive us to war with the Jews.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

More information has emerged concerning the Gun Collector. He is a lawyer and well know in the "Gun Rights" circles. He has even done some work helping to train the Guatemalan special forces. He was not at home because he's been sick living in a hospice. In fact it is possible (this info is still not verified) that he has recently passed away due to his illness.

Anyway, more from my new favorite reporter ... NOT:

http://citynews.video.citytv.com/video/68229703001/Numerous-Guns-Seized-Downtown/

I could say things about my interpretations of his journalism, but I won't. However at the end of this video the journalist speaks of the Gun Registry, speaks of how the Gun Collector was an opponent to the registry but now how the registry is being used to track what has been stolen. To this my response is:

Please explain how the Gun Registry will help prevent guns from being used in crimes in this case. No please explain how the Gun Registry is used to prevent gun crimes in any case. The Gun Registry does not prevent gun crimes. Heck the police still do not even know (according the various media stories out there) exactly what was stolen. I can appreciate they have a lot of firearms to cross reference. But seriously how long does it take to inspect a firearm, punch the data into a computer and check the results? Wasn't the Gun Registry supposed to shine in examples like this? Wasn't the Gun Registry supposed to provide the police with almost instantaneous information concerning the status of a firearm.

The Gun Registry is an utter failure. It does not prevent gun crimes and since it's data has been breached by hackers (and openly given away to polling firms) something really is fishy concerning the thief/thieves behind this crime. Lawyers typically do not associate with street thugs. So I am questioning whether or not a street thug is the thief here or whether or not there is some other politically motivated insiders doing their magic with the registry (pure speculation on my side).

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[Andy9o8 2]

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The fears of an secret liberal-controlled media trying to warp society to their evil will is as silly as the fears of a Saudi-controlled right wing media machine trying to drive us to war with the Jews.

As an aside, that's really not an accurate characterization of that other thread, and the article on which it was based. Rather, they were expressing a concern that FoxNews, long a proponent of the US "war on terrorism", would hypocritically alter its editorial position on the international terrorism issue to the extent of turning, if not a a blind eye, at least a myopic eye to the issue of Saudi oil barons' back-door funding and support of global international terrorism; and that Fox would do so not out of editorial ideology, but solely out of its new Saudi investor's interests.

[kallend 2,150]

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The fears of an secret liberal-controlled media trying to warp society to their evil will is as silly as the fears of a Saudi-controlled right wing media machine trying to drive us to war with the Jews.

As an aside, that's really not an accurate characterization of that other thread, and the article on which it was based. Rather, they were expressing a concern that FoxNews, long a proponent of the US "war on terrorism", would hypocritically alter its editorial position on the international terrorism issue to the extent of turning, if not a a blind eye, at least a myopic eye to the issue of Saudi oil barons' back-door funding and support of global international terrorism; and that Fox would do so not out of editorial ideology, but solely out of its new Saudi investor's interests.

"He who pays the piper calls the tune" is just as accurate today as it was hundreds of years ago.

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[Andy9o8 2]

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"He who pays the piper calls the tune" is just as accurate today as it was hundreds of years ago.

Of course. And just as classically, much of journalism has always been informing the gentle readers who is paying the piper, and thus what tune will be called.

[rushmc 23]

I hope he didnt have any toy guns out in the open

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2010/02/23/ottawa-fake-guns-firearms-act.html

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[CanuckInUSA 0]

More insanity coming from Canada's left.

BTW ... replica firearms are already prohibited in Canada. But that never stopped the left from wanting to spend more money on laws that already exist.

Also, more information continues to come out from this legal gun collector. He is still alive, but he's in hospital suffering from a stroke and all indications are that he will not be leaving the hospital ever as a healthy man.

There is something really fishy going on. You can read more here.
Unlike other media outlets, this is a reasonably balanced story.

http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-paper/story.html?id=2609497#ixzz0gYVkTeCR

"The biggest problem people with large collections face is the leaked disclosure of confidential information contained in the gun registry. The registry reads like a shopping list for anyone looking for weapon collections to steal and sell on the street." - Tony Bernardo, executive director of the Canadian Shooting Sports Association

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