TankBuster 0 #26 February 24, 2010 Tell ya what. There are a significant number of poor people around. And I'm sorry the Dems totally fucked it up, (all they really had to do was expand Medicaid with some of that spendulus bill). You seem to be a compassionate, gutsy guy/gal. Try this. Instead of forcing "wealthy" Americans to pay for it, go gather a large band of similarly compassionate, gutsy liberals together and go take it from someone else. Arm yourselves well, go to Mexico, Canada, Japan, wherever you think you will find less resistance and more buck for your bang, and tell em - "we know of a bunch of poor Americans and we want to get them medical coverage so we're here to take your money!" K?The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #27 February 24, 2010 QuoteTell ya what. There are a significant number of poor people around. like a third world country?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hwt 0 #28 February 24, 2010 you call this bill reform? ok then answer one question for me.If my auto insurance rate went up , I would simply go get insurance from another company.the cost is controlled by competition . Why won't the Democrats allow more competition by opening up state lines to all companies?? this is not reform but more like a power grab to control us. the 51 vote reconciliation process is supposed to only be used to balance the budget so government doesn't shut down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #29 February 24, 2010 Quoteyou call this bill reform? ok then answer one question for me.If my auto insurance rate went up , I would simply go get insurance from another company.the cost is controlled by competition . Why won't the Democrats allow more competition by opening up state lines to all companies?? this is not reform but more like a power grab to control us. the 51 vote reconciliation process is supposed to only be used to balance the budget so government doesn't shut down. I am thinking we will not have to worry about it. While many of them would go this route it would beyond a shadow of a doubt be political suicide. And the news reports are starting to reflect this fact. Those that are in favor of this are those, like dirty Harry, who are going to loose this fall anyway. But the rest want to get re-elected and that presents a problem for the lefty's. Am I right? Dont know, time will tell but I can hope. Oh, and dont let dreamy bait you. Not worth it. And, I dont know for sure but I think dreamy is an alternate ID for a long time poster here. If true, time will expose it."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #30 February 24, 2010 Quote And, I dont know for sure but I think dreamy is an alternate ID for a long time poster here. If true, time will expose it. your one warning..... stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #31 February 24, 2010 Quote Quote And, I dont know for sure but I think dreamy is an alternate ID for a long time poster here. If true, time will expose it. your one warning..... No, I dont think you are a greenie"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #32 February 24, 2010 Funny how times change huh http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-dems-in-2005-51-vote-nuclear-option-is-arrogant-power-grab-against-the-founders-intent/"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #33 February 24, 2010 Well, the more things change, the more they stay the same. The ones in charge do the same things, and the opposition say the same things. It doesn't seem to matter anymore what label is on whom. From right under the video: "Biden: "I pray God when the Democrats take back control we don't make the kind of naked power grab you are doing." " I like the comment (only one when I saw the link) at the bottom: "These videos are pretty pointless any more. I have never believed a word that came out of any of their mouths, so it’s just proving what we all knew all along""There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #34 February 24, 2010 QuoteWhy won't the Democrats allow more competition by opening up state lines to all companies?? A huge BINGO on this. Having 50 sets of regulations to deal with is ridiculous. It was all with good intentions, left over from when insurance was far more localized. But is is now a form of protectionism that lawmakers are scared shitless to remove. I've never seen any data on what such localization of rules costs, but obviously it is enough to keep all but the very largest of companies from even attempting to enter all 50 markets. I can't even imagine the efficiencies to be gained if there was a single set of rules that all providers, insurers, and patients had to play by." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #35 February 24, 2010 QuoteI can't even imagine the efficiencies to be gained if there was a single set of rules that all providers, insurers, and patients had to play by. like there is with a national health service?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #36 February 24, 2010 QuoteQuoteI can't even imagine the efficiencies to be gained if there was a single set of rules that all providers, insurers, and patients had to play by. like there is with a national health service? No.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #37 February 24, 2010 QuoteWell, the more things change, the more they stay the same. The ones in charge do the same things, and the opposition say the same things. It doesn't seem to matter anymore what label is on whom. From right under the video: "Biden: "I pray God when the Democrats take back control we don't make the kind of naked power grab you are doing." " I like the comment (only one when I saw the link) at the bottom: "These videos are pretty pointless any more. I have never believed a word that came out of any of their mouths, so it’s just proving what we all knew all along" they make for good election adds however"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #38 February 24, 2010 QuoteQuoteI can't even imagine the efficiencies to be gained if there was a single set of rules that all providers, insurers, and patients had to play by. like there is with a national health service? Why not just pass 2 easy bills? one that gives minimums on health insurance coverage and let the insurance co's sell across state lines, and one for tort reform. then sit back and see what happens. Why throw out an entire system only to make one with its own set of problems? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #39 February 24, 2010 Quote Quoteand do you understand why we have a democratic republic instead of a democracy? To me that's semantics. I don't care what you call it. As I see it, that compares to uneducated people calling themselves street smart so they can use the word, "smart" in their description. my question was really mean more to ask "do you understand the reasoning of the founding fathers when they decided on a republic rather than a democracy?" It's not clear that you do.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #40 February 25, 2010 QuotePresident Obama's health care proposal, preserving as it does a central role for the for-profit, private health insurance industry, is incapable of achieving the kind of universal, comprehensive and affordable reform the country needs, a spokesman for a national doctors' group said Wednesday. "Regrettably, the president's proposal is built on some of the worst aspects of the Senate bill," said Dr. Quentin Young, national coordinator of Physicians for a National Health Program, an organization of 17,000 doctors who support single-payer, Medicare-for-All approach to reform. Young's statement comes on the eve of the president's bipartisan summit in Washington. "For example, the president's proposal would ship hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars to the private health insurance industry in the form of subsidies," Young said. "And to help finance this, it would impose a new tax on health benefits of workers, especially those in high-cost states. "Its individual mandate would force millions of middle-income uninsured Americans to buy insurers' skimpy products - insurance policies full of gaps like ever-rising co-pays, deductibles and premiums. Such policies already leave middle-class American families vulnerable to economic hardship and medical bankruptcy in the event of a serious illness like cancer," continued Young, citing a recent study. "Even so, at least 23 million people would remain uninsured," he said. "We know that being uninsured raises your chance of dying by about 40 percent," he continued, citing another recent study. "That translates into about 23,000 unnecessary deaths each year. As physicians, we find this completely unacceptable." http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/02/24-5stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #41 February 25, 2010 Health care support polling from RCP: RCP Average 1/20 - 2/22 -- 38.4 52.3 Against/Oppose +13.9 Rasmussen Reports 2/21 - 2/22 1000 LV 41 56 Against/Oppose +15 Newsweek 2/17 - 2/18 1009 A 40 49 Against/Oppose +9 Pew Research 2/3 - 2/9 1383 A 38 50 Against/Oppose +12 ABC News/Wash Post 2/4 - 2/8 1004 A 46 49 Against/Oppose +3 Quinnipiac 2/2 - 2/8 2617 RV 35 54 Against/Oppose +19 Ipsos/McClatchy 1/28 - 1/31 1127 A 37 51 Against/Oppose +14 NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 1/23 - 1/25 800 A 31 46 Against/Oppose +15 CNN/Opinion Research 1/22 - 1/24 1009 A 38 58 Against/Oppose +20 NPR - POS/GQR 1/20 - 1/23 800 LV 39 55 Against/Oppose +16 USA Today/Gallup 1/20 - 1/20 1010 A 39 55 Against/Oppose +16Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #42 February 25, 2010 "That translates into about 23,000 unnecessary deaths each year. As physicians, we find this completely unacceptable." do you?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chutem 0 #43 February 25, 2010 So you are saying President Obama's health care plan will cause 23,000 unnecessary deaths? James Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #44 February 25, 2010 Quote"That translates into about 23,000 unnecessary deaths each year. As physicians, we find this completely unacceptable." do you? who is "we"? You a Dr.?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #45 February 25, 2010 This is why it will NOT happen... I hope QuoteTwenty-five percent of people questioned in the poll say Congress should pass legislation similar to the bills passed by both chambers, with 48 percent saying lawmakers should work on an entirely new bill and a quarter saying Congress should stop all work on health care reform. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/02/24/cnn-poll-health-care-provisions-popular-but-overall-bills-unpopular/?fbid=gFDDExg7ljK"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #46 February 25, 2010 QuoteSo you are saying President Obama's health care plan will cause 23,000 unnecessary deaths? James that's what's happening at the moment under the current system.stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chutem 0 #47 February 25, 2010 That's not what the article you quote seems to say. Also could someone explain to me how not having health insurance increases your chance to die by 40% as the quoted article mentions? James Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hwt 0 #48 February 25, 2010 Quote is this the moment to grab the bull by the horns... http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2010/02/24/video-biden-feinstein-and-schumer-attack-reconciliation-nuclear-option/ here is what the democrats think of reconciliation, watch the video and enjoy it .. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fasted3 0 #49 February 26, 2010 QuoteAlso could someone explain to me how not having health insurance increases your chance to die by 40% as the quoted article mentions? If you can't afford medical care or medicine, you don't do as well as those who can. Next question: Why are starving people so skinny?But what do I know? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #50 February 26, 2010 QuoteThat's not what the article you quote seems to say. Also could someone explain to me how not having health insurance increases your chance to die by 40% as the quoted article mentions? James I have not read the article; but if it is stated that vaguely it is useless info. Last I heard, 100% of people die. But seriously, the methodology used to get to that number would be most interesting." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
