dreamdancer 0 #1 February 22, 2010 is this the moment to grab the bull by the horns... QuoteThis week the president is hosting a bipartisan gab-fest at the White House to try to tease out some Republican votes for health care reform. It's a total waste of time. If Obama thinks he's going to get a single Republican vote at this stage of the game, he's fooling himself (or the American people). Many months ago, you may recall, the White House and Democratic party leaders in the Senate threatened to pass health care with 51 votes -- using a process called "reconciliation" that allows tax and spending bills to be enacted without filibuster -- unless Republicans came on board. It's time to pull the trigger. Why haven't the President and Senate Democrats pulled the reconciliation trigger before now? http://www.alternet.org/health/145764/it%27s_time_to_enact_health_care_reform_with_51_senate_votesstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #2 February 22, 2010 QuoteWhy haven't the President and Senate Democrats pulled the reconciliation trigger before now? Because a majority don't want this crap laiden bill stuffed down their throats?Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #3 February 22, 2010 QuoteQuoteWhy haven't the President and Senate Democrats pulled the reconciliation trigger before now? Because a majority don't want this crap laiden bill stuffed down their throats? Which again begs the question: Why haven't the President and Senate Democrats pulled the reconciliation trigger before now? It's not as if the Repugs haven't been cock-blocking all they can and the Repugs have recently ised Reconciliation, so fuck it, let's get her done. Altho it will be a 10-year fix only, but if people get to like it, it stays under permanent law, if they dislike it, it gets tossed as a failure never to reemerge in your lifetime; what are you afraid of? Reconciliaion is dirty pool, unless your party is shoving tax cuts, oil drilling in nature refuge areas or other RW shit down the throats of the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #4 February 22, 2010 Just go back to the old filibuster rules and make them actually have to stand on their feet and talk for as long as they want to fuck things up. Put that asshattery on CSpan and let's have some fun watching to see just how much conviction they have.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #5 February 22, 2010 QuoteJust go back to the old filibuster rules and make them actually have to stand on their feet and talk for as long as they want to fuck things up. Put that asshattery on CSpan and let's have some fun watching to see just how much conviction they have. does 2 things. Makes it simpler to hold people accountable, and sometimes results in the passing on of some funny stories or recipes.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #6 February 22, 2010 Quoteis this the moment to grab the bull by the horns... Great idea-you go grab your own fucking insurance and stop the bull about me footing your bill. Glad we're in agreement here.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #7 February 22, 2010 >Great idea-you go grab your own fucking insurance and stop the bull >about me footing your bill. Agreed. The system we have now sucks; I don't want to be footing the bill any more for the GOP plan (i.e. "go to the ER and don't pay.") Time to fix it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #8 February 22, 2010 QuoteQuoteis this the moment to grab the bull by the horns... Great idea-you go grab your own fucking insurance and stop the bull about me footing your bill. Glad we're in agreement here. Hey lets tell ALL of the government employees the same thing... ALL of them.. Which insurance company would you suggest using for our military??? I wounder how many of them would get turned down because of "pre-existing conditions" for their battle wounds... or PTSD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #9 February 22, 2010 QuoteJust go back to the old filibuster rules and make them actually have to stand on their feet and talk for as long as they want to fuck things up. Put that asshattery on CSpan and let's have some fun watching to see just how much conviction they have. That's another great option, I was saying that would be great to see then thne 40 members yammer away and when it comes time in a few years when HC is trashed, if the fillibuster worked, then the R's could only be blamed for plugging up reform. It would be great to see teh Dems have a few balls tho, whatever they do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #10 February 22, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteis this the moment to grab the bull by the horns... Great idea-you go grab your own fucking insurance and stop the bull about me footing your bill. Glad we're in agreement here. Hey lets tell ALL of the government employees the same thing... ALL of them.. Which insurance company would you suggest using for our military??? I wounder how many of them would get turned down because of "pre-existing conditions" for their battle wounds... or PTSD Come on, you know the R's love GI's untul they are damaged goods, then they're disposable like bic lighters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #11 February 22, 2010 QuoteQuoteWhy haven't the President and Senate Democrats pulled the reconciliation trigger before now? Because a majority don't want this crap laiden bill stuffed down their throats? any more discussion needed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #12 February 22, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhy haven't the President and Senate Democrats pulled the reconciliation trigger before now? Because a majority don't want this crap laiden bill stuffed down their throats? any more discussion needed? Gee, that's funny, the House Bill passed with a simple majority and the watered-down Senate version garnered 60 votes. Appears a majority does want this shit. I imagine even now the public option could win in reconcilliation in both houses. Perhaps then teh R's would be willing to compromise... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #13 February 23, 2010 both yous posts read like bad ad copy. "less sugar!" (less han what?) well... a majority of what?? you're referring (it appears) to a majority of our congressmen. but you're talking about two bills like they were one. skyrider is likely talking about a poll of the people, though unreferenced, so I' just guessing. Polls tell you what the question writers want them to tell you.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #14 February 23, 2010 Quotewell... a majority of what?? you're referring (it appears) to a majority of our congressmen. Yea, we have a great Bill from the House with the public option with a requisite public option. The Senate Bill w/o the PO but had a 60-vote approval. I'm guessing we could get a PO thru the Senate with reconciliation and a 51 vote majority. Quoteskyrider is likely talking about a poll of the people, though unreferenced, so I' just guessing. It was unclear to me too, so I referenced what matters; Congress. QuotePolls tell you what the question writers want them to tell you. I don't care about polls and with horrible political system - representative democracy - all that matters are the elected officials, the people's wish are just for entertainment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #15 February 23, 2010 Quote I don't care about polls and with horrible political system - representative democracy - all that matters are the elected officials, the people's wish are just for entertainment. you'd rather have a pure democracy? seriously?? under what rationale? and do you understand why we have a democratic republic instead of a democracy?-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #16 February 23, 2010 QuoteCome on, you know the R's love GI's untul they are damaged goods, then they're disposable like bic lighters. Bullcrap. Hey, Max - who did you get more visits from, Dems or Reps?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #17 February 23, 2010 QuoteIt's not as if the Repugs haven't been cock-blocking all they can Seeing as how the Dems STILL have a majority in the House and until very recently had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, why don't you explain just HOW the Repubs have been 'cock-blocking' anything?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #18 February 23, 2010 QuoteHey lets tell ALL of the government employees the same thing... ALL of them.. Which insurance company would you suggest using for our military??? Government employees should use whatever insurance is provided by their employer and subsidize that, if needs be, with additional coverage that they purchase out of their income---kinda like I do. I'd bet they get some sweet quotes from companies for a contract of that size.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #19 February 24, 2010 QuoteJust go back to the old filibuster rules and make them actually have to stand on their feet and talk for as long as they want to fuck things up. Put that asshattery on CSpan and let's have some fun watching to see just how much conviction they have. You're wondering if politicians would have a problem with spending hours on end talking to the camera? If that was all the Republicans had to do to win this one, you can bet they'd have a nice rotation of hot air bags keeping it going. And the Fox commentators could supply them with a never ending stream of documents to read. Taking the reconciliation route will doom any work for the remainder of the year. It's an election year, so it's not that productive, but this will kill it. I'm not sure if the Democrats can summon up 51 votes to do it. All of the ones running for reelection, even in the safer states, will have to think hard about the potential consequences. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TankBuster 0 #20 February 24, 2010 QuoteQuoteIt's not as if the Repugs haven't been cock-blocking all they can Seeing as how the Dems STILL have a majority in the House and until very recently had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, why don't you explain just HOW the Repubs have been 'cock-blocking' anything? Well? Actually I agree with you LaLa. It IS time to reform our health care system. Put limits on punitive damages for malpractice suits, remove all barriers to competition among the insurance companies. Otherwise get the Federal and State governments the hell out of the way of those of us who don't need nanny government to wipe our ass. You guys must have a severe case of diaper rash.The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #21 February 24, 2010 Quote Actually I agree with you LaLa. How nice, truth buster. See, we have myth busters, you must be truith buster. Quote It IS time to reform our health care system. Right, make it harder to get for poor people, you mean. Quote Put limits on punitive damages for malpractice suits... Allowing for less safe, subordinate care, unless you have money. Quote ...remove all barriers to competition among the insurance companies. Doinf absolutely no good, maybe drop premiums 10% at first, then the ins cos will collude and price fix. Quote State governments the hell out of the way of those of us who don't need nanny government to wipe our ass. Right, make it impossible for poor peole to get coverage, WE HEAR YA. Quote You guys must have a severe case of diaper rash. Yes, every time I check my diaper, I see tiny Republicans eating and robbing my shit blind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #22 February 24, 2010 QuoteQuoteIt's not as if the Repugs haven't been cock-blocking all they can Seeing as how the Dems STILL have a majority in the House and until very recently had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, why don't you explain just HOW the Repubs have been 'cock-blocking' anything? If you call Lieberman a part of teh Dems, well, no need talking politics with the politically unaware. He killed the public option, a couple Dems weren't big on it, but he was teh Dr no on that. Remember, the guy the Dems in his state refused to nominate the incumbent senator? Remember, or are you just now learning this? Remember, then he ran as indep and 2/3 of the people who voted him in as an indep were registered Repubs? Your welcome, that is for the political history lesson. The Dems haven't have a 60+ vote base since the 1960's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #23 February 24, 2010 Quote Quote Come on, you know the R's love GI's untul they are damaged goods, then they're disposable like bic lighters. Bullcrap. Hey, Max - who did you get more visits from, Dems or Reps? The Dems do far more for disabled vets than do the Repibs. Great, let's use a biased sample size of 1 that is non-random and call it data. Not to mention a visit doesn't bring substantive help. I wouldn't need a pat on the ass and a tiny American flag on a stick, I would need real substantive help, the R's simply don't provide that at the levels the D's do. In case ya didn't notice, the R's aren't people persons. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #24 February 24, 2010 Quoteyou'd rather have a pure democracy? seriously?? under what rationale? Either a Pure Democracy or a Parlaimentary Monarchy. Rationale: better for substantive representation than a Representative Democracy, which has little true representation. Quoteand do you understand why we have a democratic republic instead of a democracy? To me that's semantics. I don't care what you call it. As I see it, that compares to uneducated people calling themselves street smart so they can use the word, "smart" in their description. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #25 February 24, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteCome on, you know the R's love GI's untul they are damaged goods, then they're disposable like bic lighters. Bullcrap. Hey, Max - who did you get more visits from, Dems or Reps? The Dems do far more for disabled vets than do the Repibs. You mean like Code Pink demonstrating outside the hospitals, right? Yeah, that does SO much for the wounded troops. QuoteIn case ya didn't notice, the R's aren't people persons. Too bad that simple things like charitable donations prove you wrong, time after time.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
