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I cant think of a reason to keep beating this dead horse,



I can. I for one am sick and tired of Anthem pocketing my raises, and my future raises.


You did see the wall street report showing HC companies profits are lower than companies of the same size on average, correct?


Yet the ins cos want to lock up HC.....hmmmmm. Must not be that bad.


Who said it was bad?

But saying the insurance companies are making obscene profits is a lie


Profits are up and down, but they are still measured:

A) In millions / 100's of millions

B) As profits and not losses.

I didn't post some union rag or some lefty rag, please keep your right-leaning crap off of here, there's plenty of static out there with abstract and skewed numbers.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/insurance-co-profits-good-but-not-breaking-records/


Your post dont mean a damned thing my friend

Keep my right wing crap off of here??

:D:D:D:D

Your post backs my point
No record breaking profits at all
Big money? Hell yes but they risk big money to get it so it is all a mater of proportion

You anti business left wing progressive radicals are fun to tweak cause you make it so easy:D:D


OOooooooohhhhhhhhhh, evil profit:D:D:D

Stop it dude
My tummy hurts from laughing at you so much:D:D:D:D


-- You can post all the emoticons you want, where did I say they were making record-breaking profits?

-- In a climate where usually strong busnesses are going tits-up by the day, to even turn a profit at all, let alone in the millions is a rare bird, yet you call that normal and think that they are not getting all the breaks. Right now most industries consider the health business to be very stable when many industries are trying to weather the storm, the HC industry measures their profits in +++millions / +++100's of millions.

-- "Your post dont mean a damned thing my friend" = that speaks volumes

-- "Keep my right wing crap off of here??"

Yes, RW data that is skewed or otherwise abstract. I posted a neutral site on purpose, with all the bias sites I had to weed-thru.

-- "Your post backs my point No record breaking profits at all"

Where did I say they were record-breaking in this thread? You once again dishonestly put words in my mouth and then celebrate. Try the foreign concept of honesty.

-- Big money? Hell yes but they risk big money to get it so it is all a mater of proportion

Gee, I don't see a lot of HC businesses going tits up like the auto business, banking business, mortgage business, etc. Where is the risk? Just don;t see it.

-- You anti business left wing progressive radicals are fun to tweak cause you make it so easy

I want balance, you want corporate fascim.
:D:D

No
You want to spread the wealth around in the very fashion you accuse others of my friend

Words in your mouth?
No, not really, but you got called on your great pure un-biased fact check post :D:D

The insurance companies profits are at a lower percentage per dollar invested than many other market sectors

Have some fun with this:D

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS350&=&q=insurance+company+profit+percentage&aq=2&aqi=g3g-m1&oq=Insurance+company+profit+

Keep it up
You help me know where the truth is not:D

What you call balance is socialism. Just admit it:)
Ooooooooohhhhhhh, evil corps and profits


Oooooooooooooooo

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it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Capitalism is being killed and that is taking this country with it



Capitalism = the biggest debtor

Communism = the biggest creditor

Capitalism has been a dead ideology as of a long time ago, I'd say Reagan put the final sword in it. Of course a grotesque military was really the death blow, but if Capitalism is so great it should have been able to carry that burden.

With all that said, a quasi-Capitalism / quasi-Socialism government with a reasonable military is the best, most successful form of government right now that extends the most benefot to all people. Capitalism teh way teh US does it is just done, no one wants to copy our model.


Another pile of crap post:D
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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The google search post to Lucky has pages of links like the following related to HC insurance company profit margins
The problem is not the insurance companies but rather state regs, fed regs, state mandates, state and fed restrictions and the legal system. The HC bill is about more money, power, control and growth for the fed. And people with attitudes like Lucky's who are sure they know more about being healthy and health care and want to control as much about it for everyone else as they possibly can.

Anyway, back to profit margins

http://rawstory.com/2010/02/top-health-insurers-posted-57-percent-profit-gains-2009/

By the way, read the whole article
It is not all rosy for the Insurance companies but I picked this one because it seemed to cover both sides of the debate
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Capitalism is being killed and that is taking this country with it



Capitalism = the biggest debtor

Communism = the biggest creditor

Capitalism has been a dead ideology as of a long time ago, I'd say Reagan put the final sword in it. Of course a grotesque military was really the death blow, but if Capitalism is so great it should have been able to carry that burden.

With all that said, a quasi-Capitalism / quasi-Socialism government with a reasonable military is the best, most successful form of government right now that extends the most benefot to all people. Capitalism teh way teh US does it is just done, no one wants to copy our model.


Another pile of crap post:D


So when you are unable to address a post you do this? Sad. Here it is, try again:

Capitalism = the biggest debtor

Communism = the biggest creditor

Capitalism has been a dead ideology as of a long time ago, I'd say Reagan put the final sword in it. Of course a grotesque military was really the death blow, but if Capitalism is so great it should have been able to carry that burden.

With all that said, a quasi-Capitalism / quasi-Socialism government with a reasonable military is the best, most successful form of government right now that extends the most benefot to all people. Capitalism teh way teh US does it is just done, no one wants to copy our model.

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The article title is: Top five health insurers posted 56 percent profit gains in 2009

So my point persists: In an economy that has MAJOR corporatiosn going tits up, these HC insurerers are still measuring profits in:

- + profits

- Millions

Your own citation established that, what is your argument?

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The google search post to Lucky has pages of links like the following related to HC insurance company profit margins
The problem is not the insurance companies but rather state regs, fed regs, state mandates, state and fed restrictions and the legal system.



What is the point of this?

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The HC bill is about more money, power, control and growth for the fed. And people with attitudes like Lucky's who are sure they know more about being healthy and health care and want to control as much about it for everyone else as they possibly can



This is a typical ad hominem, it doesn't address teh issue.

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By the way, read the whole article
It is not all rosy for the Insurance companies but I picked this one because it seemed to cover both sides of the debate



Yes, it says that ins cos are still prifiting, just not as much. But factor in teh economy and it's a miracle they can profit at all. Point is, in a bad economy they are making money when most / many industries are hoping to outlast the bad times. And in normal/good times they make 100's of millions while millions of people go w/o HC and top CEO's make insane salaries.

You still haven't addressed your assertion that I, in thsi thread, stated HC cos are making record profits. Care to admit you're wrong?

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The article title is: Top five health insurers posted 56 percent profit gains in 2009

So my point persists: In an economy that has MAJOR corporatiosn going tits up, these HC insurerers are still measuring profits in:

- + profits

- Millions

Your own citation established that, what is your argument?

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The google search post to Lucky has pages of links like the following related to HC insurance company profit margins
The problem is not the insurance companies but rather state regs, fed regs, state mandates, state and fed restrictions and the legal system.



What is the point of this?

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The HC bill is about more money, power, control and growth for the fed. And people with attitudes like Lucky's who are sure they know more about being healthy and health care and want to control as much about it for everyone else as they possibly can



This is a typical ad hominem, it doesn't address teh issue.

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By the way, read the whole article
It is not all rosy for the Insurance companies but I picked this one because it seemed to cover both sides of the debate



Yes, it says that ins cos are still prifiting, just not as much. But factor in teh economy and it's a miracle they can profit at all. Point is, in a bad economy they are making money when most / many industries are hoping to outlast the bad times. And in normal/good times they make 100's of millions while millions of people go w/o HC and top CEO's make insane salaries.

You still haven't addressed your assertion that I, in thsi thread, stated HC cos are making record profits. Care to admit you're wrong?



You are being played like an out of tune fiddle

Evil corps
And I did address the statement just reread my earlier post
I am going to bed now
I have to go to work to tomorrow so I can pay some taxes to pay for some lazy as progressives out there who have to demonize corps so they have a chance at taking more from those who chose to work in life
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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You didn't answer a bit of it, here, I'll repost:

The article title is: Top five health insurers posted 56 percent profit gains in 2009

So my point persists: In an economy that has MAJOR corporatiosn going tits up, these HC insurerers are still measuring profits in:

- + profits

- Millions

Your own citation established that, what is your argument?

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The google search post to Lucky has pages of links like the following related to HC insurance company profit margins
The problem is not the insurance companies but rather state regs, fed regs, state mandates, state and fed restrictions and the legal system.



What is the point of this?

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The HC bill is about more money, power, control and growth for the fed. And people with attitudes like Lucky's who are sure they know more about being healthy and health care and want to control as much about it for everyone else as they possibly can



This is a typical ad hominem, it doesn't address teh issue.

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By the way, read the whole article
It is not all rosy for the Insurance companies but I picked this one because it seemed to cover both sides of the debate



Yes, it says that ins cos are still prifiting, just not as much. But factor in teh economy and it's a miracle they can profit at all. Point is, in a bad economy they are making money when most / many industries are hoping to outlast the bad times. And in normal/good times they make 100's of millions while millions of people go w/o HC and top CEO's make insane salaries.

You still haven't addressed your assertion that I, in thsi thread, stated HC cos are making record profits. Care to admit you're wrong?

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And I did address the statement just reread my earlier post



You didn't answer a thing, keep runnin and hope no one notices.

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I am going to bed now
I have to go to work to tomorrow so I can pay some taxes to pay for some lazy as progressives out there who have to demonize corps so they have a chance at taking more from those who chose to work in life



Yea, go to your cubicle and then get a manicure, I worked in freezing, driving rain today and you? I know, you changed the water out for the girls in the office and answered a few calls.

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The article title is: Top five health insurers posted 56 percent profit gains in 2009

So my point persists: In an economy that has MAJOR corporatiosn going tits up, these HC insurerers are still measuring profits in:

- + profits

- Millions

Your own citation established that, what is your argument?



You missed the little tid-bit about near-non-existent profit margins...revenue does not equal profit, and if profits are thin, a 50% increase in a 3% margin is only 4.5%...it's okay that you missed it though, since it's not an Onion article or wiki reference.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/06/the_truth_about_the_insurance.html
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The article title is: Top five health insurers posted 56 percent profit gains in 2009

So my point persists: In an economy that has MAJOR corporatiosn going tits up, these HC insurerers are still measuring profits in:

- + profits

- Millions

Your own citation established that, what is your argument?



You missed the little tid-bit about near-non-existent profit margins...revenue does not equal profit, and if profits are thin, a 50% increase in a 3% margin is only 4.5%...it's okay that you missed it though, since it's not an Onion article or wiki reference.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/06/the_truth_about_the_insurance.html



He must've got that info the last time he went in and checked on his full VA benefits.
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You didn't answer a bit of it, here, I'll repost:

The article title is: Top five health insurers posted 56 percent profit gains in 2009

So my point persists: In an economy that has MAJOR corporatiosn going tits up, these HC insurerers are still measuring profits in:

- + profits

- Millions

Your own citation established that, what is your argument?You did not read the rest of the link. The normal is 4 to 5 % profit on investment. Lower than most industries. 80 t0 85 % of premiums are paid back out by most companies. 5 HC companines did something right or caught a break and are statistically an outlier. And some HC companies are going belly up. This link does not address them

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The google search post to Lucky has pages of links like the following related to HC insurance company profit margins
The problem is not the insurance companies but rather state regs, fed regs, state mandates, state and fed restrictions and the legal system.



What is the point of this? Your kidding right?

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The HC bill is about more money, power, control and growth for the fed. And people with attitudes like Lucky's who are sure they know more about being healthy and health care and want to control as much about it for everyone else as they possibly can



This is a typical ad hominem, it doesn't address teh issue.ad hominem? :D grow a pair and man up dude. The comment is about attitude only

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By the way, read the whole article
It is not all rosy for the Insurance companies but I picked this one because it seemed to cover both sides of the debate



Yes, it says that ins cos are still prifiting, just not as much. But factor in teh economy and it's a miracle they can profit at all. Point is, in a bad economy they are making money when most / many industries are hoping to outlast the bad times. And in normal/good times they make 100's of millions while millions of people go w/o HC and top CEO's make insane salaries.

Not just as much but more often than not this is the norm for the industry. But that does not support the demonization of an industry for your political agedna. And by the way, who decides what an "insane" salary is? You? The Gov? Daddy taught me that if I spent time worrying about what other people have or get, I would spend the rest of my life miserable because of worry. Loose the big green monster dude. It will kill you

You still haven't addressed your assertion that I, in thsi thread, stated HC cos are making record profits. Care to admit you're wrong?Again I commented to that. Your direct words? NO. But your insinuations of something similar is quite clear. You got called on it now you try and change the direction

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And I did address the statement just reread my earlier post



You didn't answer a thing, keep runnin and hope no one notices.

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I am going to bed now
I have to go to work to tomorrow so I can pay some taxes to pay for some lazy as progressives out there who have to demonize corps so they have a chance at taking more from those who chose to work in life



Yea, go to your cubicle and then get a manicure, I worked in freezing, driving rain today and you? I know, you changed the water out for the girls in the office and answered a few calls.


:D Wyaaaaaaaaaaaa

I spent almost 20 years climbing poles here in Iowa before I got in the office. You aint got shit on me when it comes to working in bad weather. Go cry to yer mommy
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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I spent almost 20 years climbing poles here in Iowa before I got in the office. You aint got shit on me when it comes to working in bad weather. Go cry to yer mommy



We had a guy gaff out about 25 feet up. He panicked and grabbed the pole - took the hospital about 4 days to get all the splinters out of his belly, chest and arms.
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I spent almost 20 years climbing poles here in Iowa before I got in the office. You aint got shit on me when it comes to working in bad weather. Go cry to yer mommy



We had a guy gaff out about 25 feet up. He panicked and grabbed the pole - took the hospital about 4 days to get all the splinters out of his belly, chest and arms.


Oh,
seen that happen is school when a student slid down one like that, that had been climbed hundreds of times. Looked like a rasp. Parts of his shirt remained on the pole and the emergency room was cutting slivers out of his arm pits that were 4" deep. Months later (while still in school) the slivers would keep festering up and he would just keep pulling them out. It was an old creosote pole to boot[:/]
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it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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I spent almost 20 years climbing poles here in Iowa before I got in the office. You aint got shit on me when it comes to working in bad weather. Go cry to yer mommy



We had a guy gaff out about 25 feet up. He panicked and grabbed the pole - took the hospital about 4 days to get all the splinters out of his belly, chest and arms.


Oh,
seen that happen is school when a student slid down one like that, that had been climbed hundreds of times. Looked like a rasp. Parts of his shirt remained on the pole and the emergency room was cutting slivers out of his arm pits that were 4" deep. Months later (while still in school) the slivers would keep festering up and he would just keep pulling them out. It was an old creosote pole to boot[:/]


Pretty much what happened to this guy - and a creosote pole like your example, too. He was nothing BUT bandages for several weeks.
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Not just as much but more often than not this is the norm for the industry. But that does not support the demonization of an industry for your political agedna.



Well my political agenda is to get our government back out of the pockets of industry. I plan to continue to demonize those who are destroying our country for personal financial gain.


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And by the way, who decides what an "insane" salary is? You? The Gov? Daddy taught me that if I spent time worrying about what other people have or get, I would spend the rest of my life miserable because of worry. Loose the big green monster dude. It will kill you



This is not a jealousy issue in the slightest, nor is it in any way to be considered some form of class envy. It's a common sense argument. Health care costs too much in this country. Nearly everyone agrees. Executives getting paid 350 times the average wage is part of that cost. Having at least five well paid lobbyists per Congressman is part of that cost. Spending over $10 billion dollars/year on drug advertising is part of that cost. I don't want to pay for any of that crap. And while it's not a "tax" coming out of our front pocket it is indeed money coming out of our back pockets through reduced compensation.

The primary reason for the HC industry is to provide health care services to people who need them. The primary reason for existence should not be to make confiscatory earnings. Those priorities have gotten switched. The HC system is now a parasite and it's doing real and lasting damage to our country.

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Yea, go to your cubicle and then get a manicure, I worked in freezing, driving rain today and you? I know, you changed the water out for the girls in the office and answered a few calls.



I did go make a little coffee a bit ago, spilled some too. Damn, means an early trip to the cleaners. If you're going to bitch about your conditions, put in the effort to change them. Now if you don't mind, if I can finish this PowerPoint presentation I can spend the afternoon upside down in an MX2 (for work). As tough as the sacrifices are, let me tell you, professional success fucking rocks. (And the good insurance is nice too)
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Not just as much but more often than not this is the norm for the industry. But that does not support the demonization of an industry for your political agedna.



Well my political agenda is to get our government back out of the pockets of industry. I plan to continue to demonize those who are destroying our country for personal financial gain.


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And by the way, who decides what an "insane" salary is? You? The Gov? Daddy taught me that if I spent time worrying about what other people have or get, I would spend the rest of my life miserable because of worry. Loose the big green monster dude. It will kill you



This is not a jealousy issue in the slightest, nor is it in any way to be considered some form of class envy. It's a common sense argument. Health care costs too much in this country. Nearly everyone agrees. Executives getting paid 350 times the average wage is part of that cost. Having at least five well paid lobbyists per Congressman is part of that cost. Spending over $10 billion dollars/year on drug advertising is part of that cost. I don't want to pay for any of that crap. And while it's not a "tax" coming out of our front pocket it is indeed money coming out of our back pockets through reduced compensation.

The primary reason for the HC industry is to provide health care services to people who need them. The primary reason for existence should not be to make confiscatory earnings. Those priorities have gotten switched. The HC system is now a parasite and it's doing real and lasting damage to our country.



Yes, most agree the cost is too high. But the cause is highly debatable. And I dont agree they make confiscatory earnings.

The gov is the parasite, not the the HC industry. But I understand, there has got to be demon. Bil oil, big auto, big coal, big insurance, what next?
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I am self insured, I have bcbs but don't have a job right now and can't find one either.. cash is running lower by the day but I still don't want gov't run health care..



Would you be interested in having the chance to compare your current bcbs plan with a government run option?



In what way would you compare them?
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I am self insured, I have bcbs but don't have a job right now and can't find one either.. cash is running lower by the day but I still don't want gov't run health care..



Would you be interested in having the chance to compare your current bcbs plan with a government run option?



In what way would you compare them?



Cost/Coverage/red tape....etc.

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Yes, most agree the cost is too high. But the cause is highly debatable. And I dont agree they make confiscatory earnings.

The gov is the parasite, not the the HC industry. But I understand, there has got to be demon. Bil oil, big auto, big coal, big insurance, what next?




I wouldn't include the auto companies with that elite list of offenders.
What's next?
Big Pharma. Where I live the pharmacies are now more plentiful and architecturally dominating than the banks. Apparently, to live in America you have to pay a lot of money to take a lot of drugs so you can be just like those happy people on the TV ads.

"Side Effects May Include...nausea, vomiting, headaches, heartburn, hair loss, diarrhea, dry mouth, water retention, painful rectal itch, hallucination, dementia, psychosis, coma, death, halitosis, lung cancer, mental retardation, brain tumors, paralyzation, sleep loss, internal bleeding, internal combustion, a sudden craving to sniff your carpet, an addiction to cocaine, heroin, PCP, speed and Windex, bone weakening, claustrophobia, acne, playing Everquest II, regular PMS, making Jesus cry, the inability to use proper english in an online environment, homosexuality, AIDS, an urge to stab your spouse, inability to breathe oxygen, urge to watch the Chinese version of Friends, migraines, diabetes, deafness...same as sugar pill."

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Yes, most agree the cost is too high. But the cause is highly debatable. And I dont agree they make confiscatory earnings.

The gov is the parasite, not the the HC industry. But I understand, there has got to be demon. Bil oil, big auto, big coal, big insurance, what next?




I wouldn't include the auto companies with that elite list of offenders.
What's next?
Big Pharma. Where I live the pharmacies are now more plentiful and architecturally dominating than the banks. Apparently, to live in America you have to pay a lot of money to take a lot of drugs so you can be just like those happy people on the TV ads.

"Side Effects May Include...nausea, vomiting, headaches, heartburn, hair loss, diarrhea, dry mouth, water retention, painful rectal itch, hallucination, dementia, psychosis, coma, death, halitosis, lung cancer, mental retardation, brain tumors, paralyzation, sleep loss, internal bleeding, internal combustion, a sudden craving to sniff your carpet, an addiction to cocaine, heroin, PCP, speed and Windex, bone weakening, claustrophobia, acne, playing Everquest II, regular PMS, making Jesus cry, the inability to use proper english in an online environment, homosexuality, AIDS, an urge to stab your spouse, inability to breathe oxygen, urge to watch the Chinese version of Friends, migraines, diabetes, deafness...same as sugar pill."



You left out "and certain sexual side effects"... :P:S

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Yes, most agree the cost is too high. But the cause is highly debatable. And I dont agree they make confiscatory earnings.

The gov is the parasite, not the the HC industry. But I understand, there has got to be demon. Bil oil, big auto, big coal, big insurance, what next?




I wouldn't include the auto companies with that elite list of offenders.
What's next?
Big Pharma. Where I live the pharmacies are now more plentiful and architecturally dominating than the banks. Apparently, to live in America you have to pay a lot of money to take a lot of drugs so you can be just like those happy people on the TV ads.

"Side Effects May Include...nausea, vomiting, headaches, heartburn, hair loss, diarrhea, dry mouth, water retention, painful rectal itch, hallucination, dementia, psychosis, coma, death, halitosis, lung cancer, mental retardation, brain tumors, paralyzation, sleep loss, internal bleeding, internal combustion, a sudden craving to sniff your carpet, an addiction to cocaine, heroin, PCP, speed and Windex, bone weakening, claustrophobia, acne, playing Everquest II, regular PMS, making Jesus cry, the inability to use proper english in an online environment, homosexuality, AIDS, an urge to stab your spouse, inability to breathe oxygen, urge to watch the Chinese version of Friends, migraines, diabetes, deafness...same as sugar pill."



You left out "and certain sexual side effects"... :P:S


Like if something says "around" for 4 hours or more go see a Dr.???
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I cant think of a reason to keep beating this dead horse,



I can. I for one am sick and tired of Anthem pocketing my raises, and my future raises.



It seems like Anthem jumped the gun on these rate increases - a wiser company might have let a little more time transpire before assuming they were in the clear.

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The article title is: Top five health insurers posted 56 percent profit gains in 2009



Would be best to compare to 2007. A lot of companies had massive increases in 2009 because in 2008 they made very little. The insurance companies in particular (esp car and home) have a big stake in the stock market and so those would naturally have had a batter year in 2009.

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I can. I for one am sick and tired of Anthem pocketing my raises, and my future raises.



It seems like Anthem jumped the gun on these rate increases - a wiser company might have let a little more time transpire before assuming they were in the clear.



My (employer based) health insurance expense has probably doubled in the last decade, not counting increased co-pays, deductibles, drug tier increases, etc. The program that funded my position was cut and I had to find money elsewhere. While making the transition I was told I was going to receive a pay increase. After taking a closer look at my benefits package they realized that they could no longer afford to give me that raise. I was fortunate to not lose any salary. Anthem now has that raise. Our new Governor just told us that he was going to give us a one time 3% bonus at the end of 2011 but that we could expect no raises through 2012......oh....and that our health care expenses are going up again.


Meanwhile......"Recent economic data show that profits for the ten largest insurance companies increased 250 percent between 2000 and 2009, ten times faster than inflation."

While I have no problems with my health care providers, the insurance companies are parasites who are trying to find out exactly how much they can bleed their hosts without killing (all) of them.

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I can. I for one am sick and tired of Anthem pocketing my raises, and my future raises.



It seems like Anthem jumped the gun on these rate increases - a wiser company might have let a little more time transpire before assuming they were in the clear.



My (employer based) health insurance expense has probably doubled in the last decade, not counting increased co-pays, deductibles, drug tier increases, etc. The program that funded my position was cut and I had to find money elsewhere. While making the transition I was told I was going to receive a pay increase. After taking a closer look at my benefits package they realized that they could no longer afford to give me that raise. I was fortunate to not lose any salary. Anthem now has that raise. Our new Governor just told us that he was going to give us a one time 3% bonus at the end of 2011 but that we could expect no raises through 2012......oh....and that our health care expenses are going up again.


Meanwhile......"Recent economic data show that profits for the ten largest insurance companies increased 250 percent between 2000 and 2009, ten times faster than inflation."

While I have no problems with my health care providers, the insurance companies are parasites who are trying to find out exactly how much they can bleed their hosts without killing (all) of them.



The problem with quotes like you have here they MAY not really mean anything. Why? 250% of what? They may have lost money last year so one needs to know the starting point. Maybe you do and I just missed that part.

Again, the majority of them pay out 80 to 85% of thier premiums back and make around 4% on thier investment. That is below the average of corps in this country
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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