Amazon 7 #51 February 16, 2010 Quote Quote They already have that - you have to fill out the 4473 whenever you buy a gun, so what MORE use does some 'license' do? Hopefully, simplify things. Cop sees somebody with a gun: "You got a license to own a gun?" Yes officer, right here alongside my drivers license. "Ok, fine" Cop finds a gun on some punk gangbanger, asks the same thing, "No." Then he's in trouble. I submit that the form you mention is really more intrusive, and gives the govt. a better chance of rounding up the guns than a simple owner's license. Anybody that wanted to own or shoot guns could easily get one, howver, they would have to show some needed responsibility get one, by having some instruction, and to keep it, by not screwing up. You are talking about guns being carried... not in the home. Under those circumstances.. its illegal to carry a loaded weapon in a vehicle without a permit.... gangbanger or John Q. My permit is actually over one slot and up 3 from the drivers license. My shooting range card is right under that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #52 February 16, 2010 QuoteQuoteThey already have that - you have to fill out the 4473 whenever you buy a gun, so what MORE use does some 'license' do? Hopefully, simplify things. Cop sees somebody with a gun: "You got a license to own a gun?" Yes officer, right here alongside my drivers license. "Ok, fine" Cop finds a gun on some punk gangbanger, asks the same thing, "No." Then he's in trouble. I submit that the form you mention is really more intrusive, and gives the govt. a better chance of rounding up the guns than a simple owner's license. Anybody that wanted to own or shoot guns could easily get one, howver, they would have to show some needed responsibility get one, by having some instruction, and to keep it, by not screwing up. Criminals are already barred from owning guns...do you REALLY think they're going to care about some fictitional license?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #53 February 16, 2010 Over here, it's often the Elctricians that do the robbing ... have you seen the price they charge? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fasted3 0 #54 February 16, 2010 QuoteCriminals are already barred from owning guns...do you REALLY think they're going to care about some fictitional license? Yes, If they are caught with a gun and don't have one, wouldn't that make it easier to either arrest them or take it away from them? As for the issue of needing one for a gun kept in the home, why not require one for that too? I'm just talking about some basic safety training. If there were a gun incident in the home, I think it would be appropriate to expect the owner to be able to show a license to own a gun. It seems the big fear about any of this is the govt making a list of guns so they can go get them one day. Just having an owner's license would not necessarily indicate someone even owned one, only that they could. Should they prove unqualified to own a gun and then got caught with one, that would be grounds for punishment in itself. Is there a problem with that?But what do I know? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #55 February 16, 2010 QuoteQuoteCriminals are already barred from owning guns...do you REALLY think they're going to care about some fictitional license? Yes, If they are caught with a gun and don't have one, wouldn't that make it easier to either arrest them or take it away from them? Felon in possion of a firearm is a felony, as I recall - what more excuse does the cop need? QuoteAs for the issue of needing one for a gun kept in the home, why not require one for that too? Why? QuoteI'm just talking about some basic safety training. Offer the training at point-of-sale, then. QuoteIf there were a gun incident in the home, I think it would be appropriate to expect the owner to be able to show a license to own a gun. So, if there was a free speech incident in the home, do you think it would be appropriate to expect the owner to be able to show a license to speak? QuoteIt seems the big fear about any of this is the govt making a list of guns so they can go get them one day. It's happened before, so I can understand why gun owners don't want that info released. QuoteJust having an owner's license would not necessarily indicate someone even owned one, only that they could. Should they prove unqualified to own a gun and then got caught with one, that would be grounds for punishment in itself. Is there a problem with that? Other than the fact that GCA '68 and the Brady laws ALREADY cover that?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fasted3 0 #56 February 16, 2010 Quote Felon in possion of a firearm is a felony, as I recall - what more excuse does the cop need? >>> Not much really, the mere sight of a gun by a cop is going to cause a shitstorm already. Another reason for me not to have one. QuoteAs for the issue of needing one for a gun kept in the home, why not require one for that too? Why? >>> Uh, hopefully to prevent accidents and stupid shit. IE: A guy, not a felon, just an idiot, shoots a bottle in my living room. Should he be thrown in jail? Maybe. Should he lose his license to own a gun, at least for a while? I think yes. QuoteI'm just talking about some basic safety training. Offer the training at point-of-sale, then. >>> Great. Help them get their license too. QuoteIf there were a gun incident in the home, I think it would be appropriate to expect the owner to be able to show a license to own a gun. So, if there was a free speech incident in the home, do you think it would be appropriate to expect the owner to be able to show a license to speak? >>> Heck yes. I keep mine one up from my platnum credit card with no limit that I never have to pay. QuoteIt seems the big fear about any of this is the govt making a list of guns so they can go get them one day. It's happened before, so I can understand why gun owners don't want that info released. >>> Me too, thus my concentration on the individual, not the gun. Does that ring any bells? QuoteJust having an owner's license would not necessarily indicate someone even owned one, only that they could. Should they prove unqualified to own a gun and then got caught with one, that would be grounds for punishment in itself. Is there a problem with that? Other than the fact that GCA '68 and the Brady laws ALREADY cover that? I guess. I'm just looking for a new approach. I guess I'm pretty pro gun when it comes down to it, but just not enough to ignore the many problems that they cause.But what do I know? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #57 February 16, 2010 I'm still not seeing anything that your license will do that isn't already done by something else - sorry.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #58 February 16, 2010 QuoteI, on the other hand, acknowledge the reality of the futility of trying to prevent bad guys from getting guns, and the imperfection of laws, and therefore think the best response is to ensure that the good guys can be armed to defend themselves. While there may be some regrettable incidents on the negative side, overall it is a positive influence on society, saving many people from becoming victims of crime, reducing crime rates, and driving criminals away from person-to-person crimes, where injury and death can occur, into less dangerous property crimes instead. I'd rather have someone steal my car at night, than to threaten me with a knife for my wallet. John, Do you feel prostitution should be legal as well? Do you feel abortions should be legal? Do you feel drugs should be legal? All three have shown that laws cannot abolish them. Do you agree that banning is futile and all three should just be better managed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #59 February 16, 2010 QuoteQuoteI, on the other hand, acknowledge the reality of the futility of trying to prevent bad guys from getting guns, and the imperfection of laws, and therefore think the best response is to ensure that the good guys can be armed to defend themselves. While there may be some regrettable incidents on the negative side, overall it is a positive influence on society, saving many people from becoming victims of crime, reducing crime rates, and driving criminals away from person-to-person crimes, where injury and death can occur, into less dangerous property crimes instead. I'd rather have someone steal my car at night, than to threaten me with a knife for my wallet. John, Do you feel prostitution should be legal as well? Do you feel abortions should be legal? Do you feel drugs should be legal? All three have shown that laws cannot abolish them. Do you agree that banning is futile and all three should just be better managed? There is a diffrence Intention of the pratice, and, most important of all, the three you list are not protected rights under the Constitution"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #60 February 16, 2010 Quote I've had friends that overindulged in alcohol a time or two, and have a few good anecdotes myself. Stuff I was pretty close to. John: 45 automatic in his back pocket. Shot his wallet off his ass. Just a scratch. Mark: This one was bad. Killed girlfriend, her other boyfriend and himself. Drunk. Another John: He was the other boyfriend. Not the same incident, but the same result. 3 dead. Forget his name: 2 MP's at a post I was at, playing quick draw with 45's, One shot in heart. Not to mention quite a few near misses and stupid shit, like the time a tequila bottle in my living room got blasted with a well placed .38 - Guilty of being empty. The killer escaped before my wife got her hands on him... lucky for him! So I see the other side quite clearly. Less guns would probably be better overall. well, fuck, if you've seen that many problems around you, yeah, I can see the point of view. OTOH, many of us have not even a single bit of drama, and seem to be able to mix alcohol and gun ownership. Gun ownership, like other rights, do have responsibilities. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #61 February 16, 2010 QuoteIntention of the pratice You'll have to explain that one, I have no idea what you are trying to say here... Quotethe three you list are not protected rights under the Constitution I know that, nor did that ave bearing on the paragrah from JR I copied. In other words, would like to have this hypothetical discussion outside of that fact. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lurch 0 #62 February 16, 2010 " I don't know anybody that has used a gun for anything good," Yes you do, Ed. Me. 4 short stories about armed and unarmed victims: Story 1: Me. Age 13. Alone, and unarmed. Cornered by a group of 5 8th graders. Got stomped into a bloody mess. Kids do that to each other from time to time. I resolved to never permit something like that to happen again. Story 2: 1 year later: Cornered by similar group in another part of town. Produced a blade and made it clear the first one to get in range or attempt to touch me was going to get cut to ribbons and I was going to go for their eyes. I was small, vicious, desperate, and armed. The group retreated and left me alone. I never had any further problems with being ganged up on in that town. I developed a reputation for packing blades and the local predators focused their efforts on easier prey. Short story 3: 4th of July, 6 years ago. Hanging out in ugly part of town on a friend's front porch watching fireworks. This part of town has been transformed into full blown gankstaville in the last decade. When the fireworks were over, the streets became saturated with people, groups walking away. Several large groups of teens/early 20's thugs milling around passing by slowly. A fight broke out, looked like 4 or 5 on one. Victim was typical stupid ganksta dressed in basketball costume, obviously unarmed. Streets had lots and lots of cops for crowd control so they were on-site in seconds. They put on an overwhelming show of force while attempting to get a handle on and control situation. Entire street was nothing but cop cars, I counted 9 cars plus two on motorcycles and two more on bicycles. The gangstas dispersed into surrounding neighborhood. Cops dispersed not long after. Gangstas promptly reappeared, located their victim who had been dumb enough not to flee the area. They knifed him in the kidney and threw him into a ravine between a couple houses. Story 4: Myself and a roommate 12 years ago. Splitting a shabby apartment while holding down industrial jobs. Neighbors of unknown vaguely hispanic type, commonly heard fighting and yelling. One night during an evening of videogames and beer we heard a lot of screaming and impact noises directly outside our front door. Sounded like our cars were getting trashed. Chris and myself stepped out to investigate. Neighbors had provoked some kind of problem with the local Mexicans, or at least what we knew was that the guys in our front yard were here for them, not us. Nearest guy in big straw hat did not take the trouble to size up the players and simply ran up to us in the first 5 seconds and punched Chris as hard as he could right in the face. Chris was a tough unit and just took it, then looked at the guy like "what?" At that moment a truck pulled into our driveway and about a dozen more jumped out of the back armed with assorted junk...I noted a shovel, a couple chunks of siding or trim from a house, and at least one axe handle. Apparently they intended to seriously fuck up our neighbors, and us, since we happened to be there. I retreated to apartment and came out with a big old Mossberg 12-gauge. Enough is enough! I stepped into the light, racked the slide both to prep the gun and get their attention and yelled "HEY!" Result: Instant panic. Group got one look at me and bolted for their truck. Group was last seen reversing down our narrow side street as fast as they could, while hollering about how they were going to come back and kill or fuck our wives, daughters, sisters etc. Neighbors thanked us. We never saw those guys again. I do not carry a gun routinely because I do not commonly spend time in areas where such things are likely to happen anymore. Better job means I could afford to move to nicer area. But I am very glad I have the right to do so should I feel the need. When you are unarmed, the law of the jungle prevails. So for those who think confiscating guns will solve these problems, my personal experiences indicate otherwise. It simply means that when the shit hits the fan, you get stabbed instead of shot. And when you are outnumbered by others with weapons, you haven't got a prayer. -BLive and learn... or die, and teach by example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #63 February 16, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteThey already have that - you have to fill out the 4473 whenever you buy a gun, so what MORE use does some 'license' do? Hopefully, simplify things. Cop sees somebody with a gun: "You got a license to own a gun?" Yes officer, right here alongside my drivers license. "Ok, fine" Cop finds a gun on some punk gangbanger, asks the same thing, "No." Then he's in trouble. I submit that the form you mention is really more intrusive, and gives the govt. a better chance of rounding up the guns than a simple owner's license. Anybody that wanted to own or shoot guns could easily get one, howver, they would have to show some needed responsibility get one, by having some instruction, and to keep it, by not screwing up. You are talking about guns being carried... not in the home. Under those circumstances.. its illegal to carry a loaded weapon in a vehicle without a permit.... gangbanger or John Q. Depends where you live..... in the KY you do not need a permit or CCW to open carry or to have a loaded weapon in your glove box, center concole, or laying on the seat next to you.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rstanley0312 1 #64 February 16, 2010 QuoteQuoteI, on the other hand, acknowledge the reality of the futility of trying to prevent bad guys from getting guns, and the imperfection of laws, and therefore think the best response is to ensure that the good guys can be armed to defend themselves. While there may be some regrettable incidents on the negative side, overall it is a positive influence on society, saving many people from becoming victims of crime, reducing crime rates, and driving criminals away from person-to-person crimes, where injury and death can occur, into less dangerous property crimes instead. I'd rather have someone steal my car at night, than to threaten me with a knife for my wallet. John, Do you feel prostitution should be legal as well? Do you feel abortions should be legal? Do you feel drugs should be legal? All three have shown that laws cannot abolish them. Do you agree that banning is futile and all three should just be better managed? I say hell yes and tax the living crap out of the hookers and the drugs. Abortion is a little different but I see your point.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,111 #65 February 16, 2010 >I say hell yes and tax the living crap out of the hookers and the drugs. Fair enough. How about drunk driving? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #66 February 16, 2010 QuoteQuoteIntention of the pratice You'll have to explain that one, I have no idea what you are trying to say here... Quotethe three you list are not protected rights under the Constitution I know that, nor did that ave bearing on the paragrah from JR I copied. In other words, would like to have this hypothetical discussion outside of that fact. What are the intended uses of drugs, abortions and prostitution? And you can not leave the fact out that the right to bear arms is a constitutional right. The three you list are not. But for the sake of your point, I will drop it and just read"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites futuredivot 0 #67 February 16, 2010 Quote>I say hell yes and tax the living crap out of the hookers and the drugs. Fair enough. How about drunk driving? Can't really stretch THAT far. There is targeted enforcement of DUI/DWI laws that take a large number of offenders out of the mix. If you want to use that, then pick any crime because they all get broken. The people that break them NEVER thing they're gonna get caught.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,111 #68 February 16, 2010 >There is targeted enforcement of DUI/DWI laws that take a large >number of offenders out of the mix. Agreed. But the issue there isn't that they arrest drunk drivers - the issue is that they arrest people who have not hurt anyone. Like prostitution and drug usage, it's only a crime because it's defined as a crime, not because the behavior - in and of itself - harms anyone (although it surely increases the odds that a driver will hurt someone.) Drunk driving is indeed dangerous, but you could make the argument that if you are a good drunk driver, you should not be penalized just because other drunk people have crashed their cars. Likewise, you could argue that guns are indeed dangerous, but you should not be penalized just because other people have misused them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jdthomas 0 #69 February 16, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote Criminals are already barred from owning guns...do you REALLY think they're going to care about some fictitional license? Reading this reminds me of my brother, that guy was never up to much good it seemed. armed robbery while high on pot got him some time and the felony that he would never be allowed to own a gun again. fast fwd years later he gets out of prison and the 1st thing he does was to start collecting guns. He could have cared less what the law was about ownership, paper work or anything like that. I later learned that he had a 9mm, .22 rifle, shotgun of some kind and a SKS. I don't know where he got them all but I would assume that they where stolen or he got them from another bad guy that he was running with. My brother was not a very nice man, he did not care about anyone but himself and his past with armed robbery and more recent rape of a teenage girl showed proof of that. I have a conceal carry and my wife will son be getting hers to protect ourselves from guys like my brother. it sucks i don't feel comfortable around my own family and I am sure guys like my brother love you non gun carrying guys, espically your young defenceless daughters or wives!www.greenboxphotography.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnnyD 0 #70 February 16, 2010 QuoteQuoteCommon sense says that mentally unstable people like Cho shouldn't have guns. No "future crime machine" needed. So, absent you inventing some future cime machine, just HOW do you propose to find out who's going to go 'round the bend' years in the future and prevent them from buying a gun? That's the million dollar question. How do you prevent certain people from having access to firearms without trampling on the constitutional rights of the overwhelming majority? Is it even possible? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CanuckInUSA 0 #71 February 16, 2010 Quote I am sure guys like my brother love you non gun carrying guys, espically your young defenceless daughters or wives! I think you are confusing "mnealtx" with some other user. I am pretty sure "mnealtx" is NOT an anti. But it is true that criminals love the idea of strict gun control. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,146 #72 February 16, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteCommon sense says that mentally unstable people like Cho shouldn't have guns. No "future crime machine" needed. So, absent you inventing some future cime machine, just HOW do you propose to find out who's going to go 'round the bend' years in the future and prevent them from buying a gun? That's the million dollar question. How do you prevent certain people from having access to firearms without trampling on the constitutional rights of the overwhelming majority? Is it even possible? We already do a half-assed job. Closing a few of the obvious LOOPHOLES would be a good start.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georgerussia 0 #73 February 16, 2010 Quote Oh yes they are SOOOO safe.. just like you.. until that safety is erased very quickly and harshly by circumstances you did not see coming with your head in the sand HOPING nothing bad happens to you. This may happen whether or not you own guns. If you look on crime stats, you'll see it yourself that Houston, Detroit, New Orleans, Jacksonville have significant amount of violent crime - despite the relaxed gun laws. Quote I am glad you believe your life is so safe.... its a fantasy in this society.. but just like those who beielve they are invincible in skydiving and nothing could EVER happen to them.....all of a sudden.. shit happens. This is as true as saying as having guns makes you invincible.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #74 February 16, 2010 QuoteQuote Oh yes they are SOOOO safe.. just like you.. until that safety is erased very quickly and harshly by circumstances you did not see coming with your head in the sand HOPING nothing bad happens to you. This may happen whether or not you own guns. If you look on crime stats, you'll see it yourself that Houston, Detroit, New Orleans, Jacksonville have significant amount of violent crime - despite the relaxed gun laws. Quote I am glad you believe your life is so safe.... its a fantasy in this society.. but just like those who beielve they are invincible in skydiving and nothing could EVER happen to them.....all of a sudden.. shit happens. This is as true as saying as having guns makes you invincible. But it cetainly turns the odds against being a completely helpless victim. We will see how it changes YOUR perspective once you have been a helpless victim. Just because you BELIEVE you live in a safe place and its never happened in your idyllic life.. does NOT mean that all that safety could come crashing down so very hard around you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georgerussia 0 #75 February 16, 2010 Quote But it cetainly turns the odds against being a completely helpless victim. Only if a criminal is not carrying. If he is, and he strikes first, the odds are turned back. Again, note that Houston violent crime is high, which somehow tells us that just having armed people around is not enough. Quote We will see how it changes YOUR perspective once you have been a helpless victim. It is always funny to read assumptions from the people who barely know me. Well, at least you're not speculating that I fear guns - kudos for that. Quote Just because you BELIEVE you live in a safe place and its never happened in your idyllic life.. does NOT mean that all that safety could come crashing down so very hard around you. I'd say a lot of gun owners seem to dramatically overestimate the ability of their guns to protect them from crimes in a serious disaster.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next Page 3 of 11 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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Rstanley0312 1 #64 February 16, 2010 QuoteQuoteI, on the other hand, acknowledge the reality of the futility of trying to prevent bad guys from getting guns, and the imperfection of laws, and therefore think the best response is to ensure that the good guys can be armed to defend themselves. While there may be some regrettable incidents on the negative side, overall it is a positive influence on society, saving many people from becoming victims of crime, reducing crime rates, and driving criminals away from person-to-person crimes, where injury and death can occur, into less dangerous property crimes instead. I'd rather have someone steal my car at night, than to threaten me with a knife for my wallet. John, Do you feel prostitution should be legal as well? Do you feel abortions should be legal? Do you feel drugs should be legal? All three have shown that laws cannot abolish them. Do you agree that banning is futile and all three should just be better managed? I say hell yes and tax the living crap out of the hookers and the drugs. Abortion is a little different but I see your point.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #65 February 16, 2010 >I say hell yes and tax the living crap out of the hookers and the drugs. Fair enough. How about drunk driving? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #66 February 16, 2010 QuoteQuoteIntention of the pratice You'll have to explain that one, I have no idea what you are trying to say here... Quotethe three you list are not protected rights under the Constitution I know that, nor did that ave bearing on the paragrah from JR I copied. In other words, would like to have this hypothetical discussion outside of that fact. What are the intended uses of drugs, abortions and prostitution? And you can not leave the fact out that the right to bear arms is a constitutional right. The three you list are not. But for the sake of your point, I will drop it and just read"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #67 February 16, 2010 Quote>I say hell yes and tax the living crap out of the hookers and the drugs. Fair enough. How about drunk driving? Can't really stretch THAT far. There is targeted enforcement of DUI/DWI laws that take a large number of offenders out of the mix. If you want to use that, then pick any crime because they all get broken. The people that break them NEVER thing they're gonna get caught.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #68 February 16, 2010 >There is targeted enforcement of DUI/DWI laws that take a large >number of offenders out of the mix. Agreed. But the issue there isn't that they arrest drunk drivers - the issue is that they arrest people who have not hurt anyone. Like prostitution and drug usage, it's only a crime because it's defined as a crime, not because the behavior - in and of itself - harms anyone (although it surely increases the odds that a driver will hurt someone.) Drunk driving is indeed dangerous, but you could make the argument that if you are a good drunk driver, you should not be penalized just because other drunk people have crashed their cars. Likewise, you could argue that guns are indeed dangerous, but you should not be penalized just because other people have misused them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdthomas 0 #69 February 16, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote Criminals are already barred from owning guns...do you REALLY think they're going to care about some fictitional license? Reading this reminds me of my brother, that guy was never up to much good it seemed. armed robbery while high on pot got him some time and the felony that he would never be allowed to own a gun again. fast fwd years later he gets out of prison and the 1st thing he does was to start collecting guns. He could have cared less what the law was about ownership, paper work or anything like that. I later learned that he had a 9mm, .22 rifle, shotgun of some kind and a SKS. I don't know where he got them all but I would assume that they where stolen or he got them from another bad guy that he was running with. My brother was not a very nice man, he did not care about anyone but himself and his past with armed robbery and more recent rape of a teenage girl showed proof of that. I have a conceal carry and my wife will son be getting hers to protect ourselves from guys like my brother. it sucks i don't feel comfortable around my own family and I am sure guys like my brother love you non gun carrying guys, espically your young defenceless daughters or wives!www.greenboxphotography.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnnyD 0 #70 February 16, 2010 QuoteQuoteCommon sense says that mentally unstable people like Cho shouldn't have guns. No "future crime machine" needed. So, absent you inventing some future cime machine, just HOW do you propose to find out who's going to go 'round the bend' years in the future and prevent them from buying a gun? That's the million dollar question. How do you prevent certain people from having access to firearms without trampling on the constitutional rights of the overwhelming majority? Is it even possible? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CanuckInUSA 0 #71 February 16, 2010 Quote I am sure guys like my brother love you non gun carrying guys, espically your young defenceless daughters or wives! I think you are confusing "mnealtx" with some other user. I am pretty sure "mnealtx" is NOT an anti. But it is true that criminals love the idea of strict gun control. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,146 #72 February 16, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteCommon sense says that mentally unstable people like Cho shouldn't have guns. No "future crime machine" needed. So, absent you inventing some future cime machine, just HOW do you propose to find out who's going to go 'round the bend' years in the future and prevent them from buying a gun? That's the million dollar question. How do you prevent certain people from having access to firearms without trampling on the constitutional rights of the overwhelming majority? Is it even possible? We already do a half-assed job. Closing a few of the obvious LOOPHOLES would be a good start.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georgerussia 0 #73 February 16, 2010 Quote Oh yes they are SOOOO safe.. just like you.. until that safety is erased very quickly and harshly by circumstances you did not see coming with your head in the sand HOPING nothing bad happens to you. This may happen whether or not you own guns. If you look on crime stats, you'll see it yourself that Houston, Detroit, New Orleans, Jacksonville have significant amount of violent crime - despite the relaxed gun laws. Quote I am glad you believe your life is so safe.... its a fantasy in this society.. but just like those who beielve they are invincible in skydiving and nothing could EVER happen to them.....all of a sudden.. shit happens. This is as true as saying as having guns makes you invincible.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #74 February 16, 2010 QuoteQuote Oh yes they are SOOOO safe.. just like you.. until that safety is erased very quickly and harshly by circumstances you did not see coming with your head in the sand HOPING nothing bad happens to you. This may happen whether or not you own guns. If you look on crime stats, you'll see it yourself that Houston, Detroit, New Orleans, Jacksonville have significant amount of violent crime - despite the relaxed gun laws. Quote I am glad you believe your life is so safe.... its a fantasy in this society.. but just like those who beielve they are invincible in skydiving and nothing could EVER happen to them.....all of a sudden.. shit happens. This is as true as saying as having guns makes you invincible. But it cetainly turns the odds against being a completely helpless victim. We will see how it changes YOUR perspective once you have been a helpless victim. Just because you BELIEVE you live in a safe place and its never happened in your idyllic life.. does NOT mean that all that safety could come crashing down so very hard around you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georgerussia 0 #75 February 16, 2010 Quote But it cetainly turns the odds against being a completely helpless victim. Only if a criminal is not carrying. If he is, and he strikes first, the odds are turned back. Again, note that Houston violent crime is high, which somehow tells us that just having armed people around is not enough. Quote We will see how it changes YOUR perspective once you have been a helpless victim. It is always funny to read assumptions from the people who barely know me. Well, at least you're not speculating that I fear guns - kudos for that. Quote Just because you BELIEVE you live in a safe place and its never happened in your idyllic life.. does NOT mean that all that safety could come crashing down so very hard around you. I'd say a lot of gun owners seem to dramatically overestimate the ability of their guns to protect them from crimes in a serious disaster.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next Page 3 of 11 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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JohnnyD 0 #70 February 16, 2010 QuoteQuoteCommon sense says that mentally unstable people like Cho shouldn't have guns. No "future crime machine" needed. So, absent you inventing some future cime machine, just HOW do you propose to find out who's going to go 'round the bend' years in the future and prevent them from buying a gun? That's the million dollar question. How do you prevent certain people from having access to firearms without trampling on the constitutional rights of the overwhelming majority? Is it even possible? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #71 February 16, 2010 Quote I am sure guys like my brother love you non gun carrying guys, espically your young defenceless daughters or wives! I think you are confusing "mnealtx" with some other user. I am pretty sure "mnealtx" is NOT an anti. But it is true that criminals love the idea of strict gun control. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #72 February 16, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteCommon sense says that mentally unstable people like Cho shouldn't have guns. No "future crime machine" needed. So, absent you inventing some future cime machine, just HOW do you propose to find out who's going to go 'round the bend' years in the future and prevent them from buying a gun? That's the million dollar question. How do you prevent certain people from having access to firearms without trampling on the constitutional rights of the overwhelming majority? Is it even possible? We already do a half-assed job. Closing a few of the obvious LOOPHOLES would be a good start.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #73 February 16, 2010 Quote Oh yes they are SOOOO safe.. just like you.. until that safety is erased very quickly and harshly by circumstances you did not see coming with your head in the sand HOPING nothing bad happens to you. This may happen whether or not you own guns. If you look on crime stats, you'll see it yourself that Houston, Detroit, New Orleans, Jacksonville have significant amount of violent crime - despite the relaxed gun laws. Quote I am glad you believe your life is so safe.... its a fantasy in this society.. but just like those who beielve they are invincible in skydiving and nothing could EVER happen to them.....all of a sudden.. shit happens. This is as true as saying as having guns makes you invincible.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #74 February 16, 2010 QuoteQuote Oh yes they are SOOOO safe.. just like you.. until that safety is erased very quickly and harshly by circumstances you did not see coming with your head in the sand HOPING nothing bad happens to you. This may happen whether or not you own guns. If you look on crime stats, you'll see it yourself that Houston, Detroit, New Orleans, Jacksonville have significant amount of violent crime - despite the relaxed gun laws. Quote I am glad you believe your life is so safe.... its a fantasy in this society.. but just like those who beielve they are invincible in skydiving and nothing could EVER happen to them.....all of a sudden.. shit happens. This is as true as saying as having guns makes you invincible. But it cetainly turns the odds against being a completely helpless victim. We will see how it changes YOUR perspective once you have been a helpless victim. Just because you BELIEVE you live in a safe place and its never happened in your idyllic life.. does NOT mean that all that safety could come crashing down so very hard around you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #75 February 16, 2010 Quote But it cetainly turns the odds against being a completely helpless victim. Only if a criminal is not carrying. If he is, and he strikes first, the odds are turned back. Again, note that Houston violent crime is high, which somehow tells us that just having armed people around is not enough. Quote We will see how it changes YOUR perspective once you have been a helpless victim. It is always funny to read assumptions from the people who barely know me. Well, at least you're not speculating that I fear guns - kudos for that. Quote Just because you BELIEVE you live in a safe place and its never happened in your idyllic life.. does NOT mean that all that safety could come crashing down so very hard around you. I'd say a lot of gun owners seem to dramatically overestimate the ability of their guns to protect them from crimes in a serious disaster.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
